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Elan School / RMA held Elan and Provo over our heads
« on: February 19, 2006, 02:13:00 PM »
Sorry, this post lost

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Elan School / RMA held Elan and Provo over our heads
« on: February 19, 2006, 05:05:00 AM »
Many if not all of the stories were from an early 80's Elan survivor...On occasion, he was used in "raps" to tell whatever kid that was not "getting with the program" about how bad it was there with the facilitators subsequently using his story as a scare tactic to force compliance of the other students.  I remember that it was pretty traumatic for him to talk about his stay there.

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CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones / Education Levels
« on: February 19, 2006, 04:57:00 AM »
Well...I actually got a B.S. in Economics with a minor in Business with plenty of additional credits to boot (enough for a double major)...I'm thankful I guess that RMA gave me a high school diploma...because it allowed me to learn at college what a cost cutting, money making scam the whole program was.  They fed us the lowest $ garbage they could find, used us as free labor to build Mel Wassermans empire, housed us like migrant workers...the list could go on and on.  I sure would love to see the balance sheets.

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CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones / Getting Revenge
« on: February 19, 2006, 04:49:00 AM »
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On 2006-02-18 21:38:00, Anonymous wrote:

"revenge is good.



all of you who say you are against revenge...then i guess you would say that if someone raped you they should face no charges,  How bout genocide? how bout other forms of unjust imprisonment? how bout lying about a justification for war? I guess you are pro nazi-war criminal getting on with their life...after all people should get over anything alot of the people who survived the camps werent ganged raped. I heard someone say that unless you were raped get over it. As someone who has been sexually "abused"- i can tell you long term organized imprisonment and torture- coupled with every person of authority and your own family saying you deserve it is far worse.



tit for tat? -thats what justice is(without playing semantics) A person violates, does egregious harm  to another and then they suffer for the harm they did in a relative application- e.g justice. Perhaps you are OK wilth your bodies and minds being violated...congratulations about it making you a stronger person (hey i guess cedu works...they do promise to make you a stronger person!) But personally I'm not OK with it. Just as I would not be OK with the powerful degrading and debasng another- I would demand it for myself.



    HOnestly,it is COWARDLY to not demand justice for maltreatment. Not demandning justice is easier then doing so- which requires putting yourself in jepordy in a variety of ways. Much easier to go to school, get a job, hang out, not rattle the family, then invest the time and considerable risk in going up against the powerful who have abused you.  The abusers deserve comeupence. If you dont feel like taking them on-sure(thats how the majority of people react) but the people who have the bravery and strength to do so are HEROIC-nothing less."


what it appears you are referring to is "prison" justice...not true justice.  Remember...this all happened to some of us 20-30 years ago and although I'm not an attorney, I would guess that there would be a statute of limitations problem...and as Castle says...pick your fights.  It is impossible to think that I could close down all the schools on my own but if I can tell my experience to a parent that is considering sending their kid to a program and get them to rethink their alternatives (no need to come in here and say we HAVE considered all of our alternatives) then I feel that I have contributed to a worthy cause and may have helped to save a family.

What would you suggest I do for revenge?...lure all the former staff members that I felt wronged me to a two year "program" of a different sort...create my own workshops so that I can be the one to yell at and humiliate them...maybe I can even get them to pay me for it :roll:

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CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones / Getting Revenge
« on: February 19, 2006, 04:36:00 AM »
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On 2006-02-18 20:48:00, Anonymous wrote:

"But those things are a blessing and a curse. I can see through people's lies, but that means I see through every lie. I see every game everyone plays. I know everyone's true agenda. And honestly? Sometimes I wish I could just enjoy the bliss of ignorance once again. Because some of it is harmless, and I turn it into a big deal because they're "playing a game". Sure, it is a hell of a think to take advantage of sometimes. People have a hard time fucking me over because I don't trust their bullshit. But at the same time, I don't trust anyone. See what I mean?"


exactly

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Elan School / RMA held Elan and Provo over our heads
« on: February 18, 2006, 09:45:00 PM »
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On 2006-02-18 18:38:00, Anonymous wrote:

"They would just throw you in a boxing ring against six or seven dudes and let you get your face pummeled in, that usually helped for a while..They didnt threaten w other programs, EVER..."


Yeah...we were definitelt privy to that information...talk about RMA fear tactics.  We were also told about girls that would have to walk around wearing a sign around their neck that would say something along the lines of "I'm a Whore"

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CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones / Education Levels
« on: February 18, 2006, 07:43:00 PM »
I remember seeing my so called transcripts years after graduating.  I cant remember what my grades were although I think that they just threw darts at a bunch of A's and B's on a wall and that is what they would give you.  I never heard of a student failing a class but I have to say...some of the classes listed on my transcript made me scratch my head and wonder..."when on earth did I take that class?"

I guess when we were shoveling "manure" as Lou Mehring called it...we were getting science credits as the above poster stated.  I must have graduated with a TON of science credits...not to mention I probably dug enough post holes for the horse corral, blazed the "quest trail", peeled enough logs under Joe Sweeney's supervision (calling us pussies and wimps all the time) that I'm surprised that I ended up going on to get a degree rather than just becoming a manual laborer.

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CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones / Getting Revenge
« on: February 18, 2006, 07:18:00 PM »
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On 2006-01-13 03:29:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I can spot a liar in seconds, I can see through peoples words, I can debate the hell out of people, I can see so much more because of cedu. The things you gain from a place like that can be many if you look at it the right way.

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I have that same ability...but I don't look at it as something I gained...just an overly heightened awareness...and I'm not sure how comfortable I am with it.

with regards to revenge...I agree with Castles comment about tit for tat and the fact that advocacy is a better way to go.  I just wonder why this site hasn't been forwarded to CNN or some other news source.

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Elan School / RMA held Elan and Provo over our heads
« on: February 18, 2006, 07:10:00 PM »
We would hear the horror stories about Elan (and Provo) from the staff at RMA and a former Elan student that ended up at RMA. The stories definitely coincide with what I have read on the forum here.  It was basically used as an intimidation technique to "get with the program" for those of us that weren't faced with Juvenile Hall as our only option in my opinion.

What was held over your (Elan Students) heads?  Were you threatened with RMA/CEDU?

Just curious.

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Thanks for the encouragement guys...I'll now post non-anonymously.

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I didn't attend a WWASP school but would be willing to join in a protest as long as I'm not the only one there...I'm in the L.A. area and have alllll the free time in the world.

fill me in on the details as necessary.

thanks!

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CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones / RMA 'student' 1985-86
« on: February 18, 2006, 05:59:00 PM »
good to see you here Bill...I graduated in the group after you.

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CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones / Former CEDU Therapist
« on: January 12, 2006, 07:48:00 AM »
I was fine before RMA...I had a life...did well in school...and was only sent there because I was caught smoking pot...after RMA things went downhill progressively until 8 years after graduation I was "diagnosed"...however...I wonder how many of us aren't actually bipolar but have zero coping skills now because of the brainwashing techniques employed.

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CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones / Former CEDU Therapist
« on: January 12, 2006, 03:29:00 AM »
This Website has literally brought tears to my eyes since I recently discovered it...what people have described seems to mirror my life after RMA(85-86). I know what has happened to quite a few of the graduates of our time since leaving and most of the stories are not happy ones. I know of one suicide, my RMA "big" brother ended up in prison I heard, others went on to lives of nothingness on the streets yet while at RMA were quite exceptional. The only ones that I know that ended up being successful were the few that were able to let the "abuse" roll off them like water off a ducks back. I have survived so far but the feelings of isolation seem to grow with every passing year. I have seen psychologists, psychiatrists...been diagnosed bipolar yet it has been refractory...I really just think that RMA messed with our heads too much when we were impressionable teenagers. The damage has been done...I just don't know what it is and where to begin fixing it. Basically...I feel that rather than being empowered by the program it just stripped all my coping skills that are essential to surviving in the REAL WORLD.[ This Message was edited by: OKB4RMA on 2006-01-12 00:34 ]

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I just recently found this board and I have to say that it has been eye popping. Reading what other people seem to be going through in their "post RMA" worlds really struck a chord with me...sometimes it seems like the only people I can really relate to are the ones that went through the program also. I'm not so concerned with which peer group you were in or when you went there as the common ground that we all share goes much deeper than our respective graduation dates.

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