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« Reply #15 on: February 18, 2006, 11:48:00 PM »
But those things are a blessing and a curse. I can see through people's lies, but that means I see through every lie. I see every game everyone plays. I know everyone's true agenda. And honestly? Sometimes I wish I could just enjoy the bliss of ignorance once again. Because some of it is harmless, and I turn it into a big deal because they're "playing a game". Sure, it is a hell of a think to take advantage of sometimes. People have a hard time fucking me over because I don't trust their bullshit. But at the same time, I don't trust anyone. See what I mean?
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« Reply #16 on: February 19, 2006, 12:38:00 AM »
revenge is good.

all of you who say you are against revenge...then i guess you would say that if someone raped you they should face no charges,  How bout genocide? how bout other forms of unjust imprisonment? how bout lying about a justification for war? I guess you are pro nazi-war criminal getting on with their life...after all people should get over anything alot of the people who survived the camps werent ganged raped. I heard someone say that unless you were raped get over it. As someone who has been sexually "abused"- i can tell you long term organized imprisonment and torture- coupled with every person of authority and your own family saying you deserve it is far worse.

tit for tat? -thats what justice is(without playing semantics) A person violates, does egregious harm  to another and then they suffer for the harm they did in a relative application- e.g justice. Perhaps you are OK wilth your bodies and minds being violated...congratulations about it making you a stronger person (hey i guess cedu works...they do promise to make you a stronger person!) But personally I'm not OK with it. Just as I would not be OK with the powerful degrading and debasng another- I would demand it for myself.

    HOnestly,it is COWARDLY to not demand justice for maltreatment. Not demandning justice is easier then doing so- which requires putting yourself in jepordy in a variety of ways. Much easier to go to school, get a job, hang out, not rattle the family, then invest the time and considerable risk in going up against the powerful who have abused you.  The abusers deserve comeupence. If you dont feel like taking them on-sure(thats how the majority of people react) but the people who have the bravery and strength to do so are HEROIC-nothing less.
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« Reply #17 on: February 19, 2006, 12:50:00 AM »
oops thats supsoed to be...
Just as I am not Ok with another being debased and violated by the powerful and expect justice for that person - i expect it for myself.
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« Reply #18 on: February 19, 2006, 01:01:00 AM »
oh man fuck this black and white shit. of COURSE i'd want revenge if someone raped me. or if they committed genocide against my people (motherfuckers better not start slaughtering the irish haha). but there are so many things i can just let slide and forget about.

anyways, time to go get shitty. peace!
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« Reply #19 on: February 19, 2006, 04:24:00 AM »
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"revenge is good.



all of you who say you are against revenge...then i guess you would say that if someone raped you they should face no charges,  How bout genocide? how bout other forms of unjust imprisonment? how bout lying about a justification for war? I guess you are pro nazi-war criminal getting on with their life...after all people should get over anything alot of the people who survived the camps werent ganged raped. I heard someone say that unless you were raped get over it. As someone who has been sexually "abused"- i can tell you long term organized imprisonment and torture- coupled with every person of authority and your own family saying you deserve it is far worse.



tit for tat? -thats what justice is(without playing semantics) A person violates, does egregious harm  to another and then they suffer for the harm they did in a relative application- e.g justice. Perhaps you are OK wilth your bodies and minds being violated...congratulations about it making you a stronger person (hey i guess cedu works...they do promise to make you a stronger person!) But personally I'm not OK with it. Just as I would not be OK with the powerful degrading and debasng another- I would demand it for myself.



    HOnestly,it is COWARDLY to not demand justice for maltreatment. Not demandning justice is easier then doing so- which requires putting yourself in jepordy in a variety of ways. Much easier to go to school, get a job, hang out, not rattle the family, then invest the time and considerable risk in going up against the powerful who have abused you.  The abusers deserve comeupence. If you dont feel like taking them on-sure(thats how the majority of people react) but the people who have the bravery and strength to do so are HEROIC-nothing less."


It's called choosing your battles, and a question of degrees of offense. Hate to break it to you, but no matter how brutal the staff were, they were far from genocidal nazis. I'd much rather spend time at CEDU than Auschwitz, thank you.

That seems to be a trend. Let's compare everyone who's an asshole to the nazis.
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« Reply #20 on: February 19, 2006, 04:36:00 AM »
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On 2006-02-18 20:48:00, Anonymous wrote:

"But those things are a blessing and a curse. I can see through people's lies, but that means I see through every lie. I see every game everyone plays. I know everyone's true agenda. And honestly? Sometimes I wish I could just enjoy the bliss of ignorance once again. Because some of it is harmless, and I turn it into a big deal because they're "playing a game". Sure, it is a hell of a think to take advantage of sometimes. People have a hard time fucking me over because I don't trust their bullshit. But at the same time, I don't trust anyone. See what I mean?"


exactly
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« Reply #21 on: February 19, 2006, 04:49:00 AM »
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On 2006-02-18 21:38:00, Anonymous wrote:

"revenge is good.



all of you who say you are against revenge...then i guess you would say that if someone raped you they should face no charges,  How bout genocide? how bout other forms of unjust imprisonment? how bout lying about a justification for war? I guess you are pro nazi-war criminal getting on with their life...after all people should get over anything alot of the people who survived the camps werent ganged raped. I heard someone say that unless you were raped get over it. As someone who has been sexually "abused"- i can tell you long term organized imprisonment and torture- coupled with every person of authority and your own family saying you deserve it is far worse.



tit for tat? -thats what justice is(without playing semantics) A person violates, does egregious harm  to another and then they suffer for the harm they did in a relative application- e.g justice. Perhaps you are OK wilth your bodies and minds being violated...congratulations about it making you a stronger person (hey i guess cedu works...they do promise to make you a stronger person!) But personally I'm not OK with it. Just as I would not be OK with the powerful degrading and debasng another- I would demand it for myself.



    HOnestly,it is COWARDLY to not demand justice for maltreatment. Not demandning justice is easier then doing so- which requires putting yourself in jepordy in a variety of ways. Much easier to go to school, get a job, hang out, not rattle the family, then invest the time and considerable risk in going up against the powerful who have abused you.  The abusers deserve comeupence. If you dont feel like taking them on-sure(thats how the majority of people react) but the people who have the bravery and strength to do so are HEROIC-nothing less."


what it appears you are referring to is "prison" justice...not true justice.  Remember...this all happened to some of us 20-30 years ago and although I'm not an attorney, I would guess that there would be a statute of limitations problem...and as Castle says...pick your fights.  It is impossible to think that I could close down all the schools on my own but if I can tell my experience to a parent that is considering sending their kid to a program and get them to rethink their alternatives (no need to come in here and say we HAVE considered all of our alternatives) then I feel that I have contributed to a worthy cause and may have helped to save a family.

What would you suggest I do for revenge?...lure all the former staff members that I felt wronged me to a two year "program" of a different sort...create my own workshops so that I can be the one to yell at and humiliate them...maybe I can even get them to pay me for it :roll:
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« Reply #22 on: February 19, 2006, 06:06:00 PM »
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« Reply #23 on: February 19, 2006, 06:21:00 PM »
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« Reply #24 on: February 19, 2006, 08:34:00 PM »
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« Reply #25 on: February 26, 2006, 01:21:00 AM »
i think that the staff should get jail time the ones how worked at CEDU the place i was at locked kids in solotary confinment for months and raped,abused,and neglicted them.
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« Reply #26 on: February 26, 2006, 05:43:00 PM »
You were put in solitary and raped and abused at CEDU? I didn't even know CEDU had solitary. They didn't at RMA when I was there.

Sorry, I'm having a hard time deciphering your sentence, so I'm not sure whether you were at cedu or not.
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« Reply #27 on: February 27, 2006, 08:20:00 PM »
Yeah thats bullshit if they're talkin' about a CEDU school. Now Islandview or a place like that? I dunno man
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« Reply #28 on: February 28, 2006, 01:04:00 AM »
Obviously, this particular board is for commentary and opinions based on CEDU. Hopefully, nobody will be too inconvienced or put off with the following.

I'd never heard of Islandview, so I figured I'd look it up.  The first thing I noticed was the location.  Utah just seems to be conducive to disturbing behavior and beliefs.  Far be it from me to denounce polygamy, but when children start being abused then "tradition" and "personal beliefs" are irrelevant, and those guilty of such betrayal of the innocence of children that want to claim entitlement to exception based upon their personal model of faith can make those pleading screams as they are dragged away to the room of ravenous wolves who haven't eaten for five days.  Anyways, that's a rant for another site.

Like I was saying, I looked up this Islandview website, and I neglected to read their bullshit mission statement because those kinds of places all share the same kind of hubristic tone, always intended to mollify parents with the beguiling promise that the trouble in their child's life is not, in fact, a reflection of their parenting whatsoever.  No, in fact, some kids are just born deficient, and there was nothing you as a parent could have done to remedy whatever shortcomings your child displays.  That is where we come in.  Here at...you guys are all familiar with the rhetoric.
Then I checked out the staff bios.  Jesus.  That was the creepiest lineup of so-called troubled adolescent care specialists I've ever seen.  Something about the "school psychologist" particularly brought out a sense of foreboding in me.  I don't know, maybe it was this picture.  The school Psych is the guy who is seated.

http://www.oakley-school.com/founder1.html

Also, check out the "Check in on my child" option on the following official Islandview website.  I love the image there.  This broad has a kid sequestered at some long term radical treatment facility in fucking Syracuse, Utah, and she's sitting at the computer with this vapid grin on her face that is probably intended to appear delighted, relieved, and grateful all at once.  You can almost read the thoughts her face is supposed to imply- "Oh, he IS making progress!  What a wonderful assessment of my kid?s progress by the people I'm paying to straighten him/her out.  Well, not straighten them out, I mean, heal them of their inherent defects that I did nothing to cause and was wholly unqualified to correct.  Unlike these nice people in Utah, who I'm paying an exorbitant amount of money to in order to guide the development of my own child's very personality.  I'm comfortable with that.  And this progress report says that my kid is making huge strides towards being a functioning and stable human being, although he/she is still a good 6 months to a year away from discharge.  Speaking of which, I better get my checkbook and send those miracle workers another used Honda Civic.  For what they're doing with my kid (and for what I don't have to trouble myself with doing now,) paying enough money per month to buy a used car outright is totally worth it."

Actually, I'd imagine that is not the sentiment they had in mind in going with this particular image.  But it's what I took out of it.

http://www.islandview-rtc.com/
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« Reply #29 on: February 28, 2006, 01:46:00 AM »
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"Obviously, this particular board is for commentary and opinions based on CEDU. Hopefully, nobody will be too inconvienced or put off with the following.



I'd never heard of Islandview, so I figured I'd look it up.  The first thing I noticed was the location.  Utah just seems to be conducive to disturbing behavior and beliefs.  Far be it from me to denounce polygamy, but when children start being abused then "tradition" and "personal beliefs" are irrelevant, and those guilty of such betrayal of the innocence of children that want to claim entitlement to exception based upon their personal model of faith can make those pleading screams as they are dragged away to the room of ravenous wolves who haven't eaten for five days.  Anyways, that's a rant for another site.



Like I was saying, I looked up this Islandview website, and I neglected to read their bullshit mission statement because those kinds of places all share the same kind of hubristic tone, always intended to mollify parents with the beguiling promise that the trouble in their child's life is not, in fact, a reflection of their parenting whatsoever.  No, in fact, some kids are just born deficient, and there was nothing you as a parent could have done to remedy whatever shortcomings your child displays.  That is where we come in.  Here at...you guys are all familiar with the rhetoric.

Then I checked out the staff bios.  Jesus.  That was the creepiest lineup of so-called troubled adolescent care specialists I've ever seen.  Something about the "school psychologist" particularly brought out a sense of foreboding in me.  I don't know, maybe it was this picture.  The school Psych is the guy who is seated.



http://www.oakley-school.com/founder1.html



Also, check out the "Check in on my child" option on the following official Islandview website.  I love the image there.  This broad has a kid sequestered at some long term radical treatment facility in fucking Syracuse, Utah, and she's sitting at the computer with this vapid grin on her face that is probably intended to appear delighted, relieved, and grateful all at once.  You can almost read the thoughts her face is supposed to imply- "Oh, he IS making progress!  What a wonderful assessment of my kid?s progress by the people I'm paying to straighten him/her out.  Well, not straighten them out, I mean, heal them of their inherent defects that I did nothing to cause and was wholly unqualified to correct.  Unlike these nice people in Utah, who I'm paying an exorbitant amount of money to in order to guide the development of my own child's very personality.  I'm comfortable with that.  And this progress report says that my kid is making huge strides towards being a functioning and stable human being, although he/she is still a good 6 months to a year away from discharge.  Speaking of which, I better get my checkbook and send those miracle workers another used Honda Civic.  For what they're doing with my kid (and for what I don't have to trouble myself with doing now,) paying enough money per month to buy a used car outright is totally worth it."



Actually, I'd imagine that is not the sentiment they had in mind in going with this particular image.  But it's what I took out of it.



http://www.islandview-rtc.com/

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Sardonic...I remember your first post that has since been lost.  I was afraid to comment on it as I too wanted to lash out at those that were dismissing the wave of emotions that were brought out by being "turned on" to this site.  I have seen that you now realize that we are not all a bunch of "disgruntled 20 year olds" with nothing better to do with our time than bash programs as many people lay into us about.  For nearly two decades I have repressed everything that happened at RMA that tweaked with my psyche and when I see so many other people going through the exact same things it made me start to remember and it really isn't a fun rollercoaster ride of emotions.  Lots of thigs were buried deep within our subconcious due to the sleep deprivation/physical exhaustion tecniques used in conjunction with their so called "excercises"...now that I am remembering alot of what happened to me at RMA and telling my story to my family and psychiatrist everybody has a new understanding for the trauma I have been experiencing post RMA.

I am not one of the people that has not gotten on with my life.  I have Degrees in Both Econ and Business...have contributed to society in many ways whether it be volunteer work or substitute teaching while running a business and restoring a house.  I'm not a lazy misfit.  I have tried "getting over it and moving on" for a long time now seeing both Psychologists and Psychiatrists all of whom have been baffled by my illness.  None of them doubted that I was "messed up" but they couldn't put their finger on it.  I have been a medical guinea pig for years with nothing working (supposed bipolar) but after seeing that I was better off meds...albeit still screwed up and tortured in my head...I felt destined for a life of hopelessness.  After finding this site and telling my story I have been rediagnosed with PTSD.  That is a whole new struggle in itself.

With regards to your comments on the brochure for Islandview...if you started checking out the websites for other schools...you will see that they all seem so benign yet they are still running things in similar if not the same ways.  And the glazed looks of happiness are there also.  I have checked out where the former RMA faculty of my day are now...(some of who don't even mention in their website Bio's that they were affiliated with RMA) and they have sprouted up as school directors all over the country.

Thanks for understanding
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