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World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools (WWASPS) / Spring Creek Lodge
« on: May 04, 2006, 09:50:00 AM »
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On 2006-05-03 16:58:00, CaughtInTheMiddle wrote:

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  I'm sorry, I try to steer clear of arguements on this site, and if what I say starts one then, oh well.






You started one with this forum and the childish demented lie about Alex trying to jump over a bridge to be able to talk to you. Then your mother makes something up about you dreaming about it. OMG even my 3 year old could have come up with something better then that. This from an ADULT see not all ADULTS are the smartest people. At some point in time don't you think you should just admit when you have lied. Oh I see it is ok for you but not anybody else. It is ok for you to put shit about his family all over the net but if something is said to you then you are owed an apology  ::puke:: ask Alex about that he will know and you probably know what I am talking about.



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I will tell you right now, I had my mother fooled for probably a whole 6 months.  Now, how long did Alex have his parents and family, including you, fooled?  I seem to remember the word YEARS in the time frame somewhere...






Please Ashley I am not that easy. This is the last you will hear from me on this site. 6 months is all you will admit to because that is what you had to fess up to because of getting caught. We all make mistakes remember first part is admitting them. Not only the portion you wont.

If I didn't tell your mother she would have not known unless Alex told her how horrible would that have been for him. Nice girlfriend you are. I am sure you would have told her so he didn't have to. Easy to say now. Now I wish I didn't.



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  And don't say that I'm bashing Alex or his family, or anyone for that matter.  I just happen to be stating a fact.  I'm quite tired of you trying to make it out like we brainwash Alex into everything he says or does.  Remember, he is almost an ADULT.  Free to make his own choices.  I don't understand how none of you can accept that."








The Fact... why? because you say they are. Whatever you say. Your getting tired? It isn't all about you Ashley look around there are more people involved. So when Alex is an ADULT is he moving out? You act like when he turns 18 it is going to be some big deal or something like all of a sudden he will have a great job a house make enough money to marry you and start a ADULT life. It doesn't quit work that way dear. He could do everything he is doing there at his parents house also where he should be. By the

way he is doing it. HIM not you. I am proud of HIM. What ever decision he makes I owe HIM accountable for even if HE chooses to take his advise from YOU. He is his own person.

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Pam,

This is just getting completely out of control all over again!  Alex has been home for two months now, and I think it is time for all the of this to come to an end.  He is doing good for himself, if you don't want to give us any credit for that, so be it.  We are just trying to help Alex along so he can become independent as a young adult.  Maybe he would have done just as well at home, but he chose where he wanted to be.  I didn't "lie" about Ashley dreaming up the bridge incident, I was just trying to make some sense of the "story" since she woke up telling me this at 5:00am.  Did she make it up? I don't know, but I believed her since he was not emotionally stable for some time.  

The forum was started to get some advice/feedback after reading up on the "program" he was sent to.  It was not started to insult or start a war between the families.  

We don't know where this will go in the future.  All we know right now is Alex wants to better himself, get his diploma, have a decent job, and have his own place.  These are some pretty solid goals for a young adult, and I believe he will accomplish them, with or without his families support.

I am done arguing with you.  This is not going to help the situation at all.  All of this is very unhealthy for both Alex and Ashley.  Good day!

Leslie

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World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools (WWASPS) / Spring Creek Lodge
« on: April 24, 2006, 02:22:00 PM »
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On 2006-04-21 15:42:00, Anonymous wrote:

"You'll probably never know, 'cause if he has returned to any of his old ways and isn't the wonderful, but misunderstood boy his girlfriend painted him to be, she and her mother will never come back here telling you.  And....the aunts, if ready to move on and get back to life without turmoil, won't want to come back and tell you either, even it would be an "I told you so!""



Sorry I haven't posted in a long time.  There has just been a lot going on.  Alex is doing great.  He has a job during the day and is going to night school to get his diploma.  His court date has been rescheduled to June 12, 2006, so it continues to be a waiting game.  He is still living with us and has not "returned to any of his old ways".

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World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools (WWASPS) / Spring Creek Lodge
« on: March 21, 2006, 10:23:00 AM »
Alex is doing great.  He is still staying with us.  He and his family are trying to work through things.  In the meantime, he is getting back into school to get his diploma and looking for a job.  He seems pretty focused on what he wants to accomplish.

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World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools (WWASPS) / Spring Creek Lodge
« on: March 02, 2006, 08:13:00 PM »
Pam,

No, you are right.  Ashley had to tell us before Alex came home.  She knew that.  I told you before, I knew she was hiding something from us, and I told you that.  Bottom line is she did tell us.  You even agreed that you knew she must have been scared.    I'm sorry if you feel we are more of a friend to our daughter than parents, but up until this point she has turned out pretty damn good, and we are very proud of her.  I am sure she will continue to do well. I hope all turns out the way you all hope for with Alex.  At one point you were also wanting him out of that place just as much as us.  I don't know what happened over the last couple of days.

I know we have never met, but I thought we were getting somewhere.  I am sorry if you feel I was using you.  Maybe one day, when this has all calmed down, we will meet.  Good luck with your daughter.

Leslie

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World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools (WWASPS) / Spring Creek Lodge
« on: March 02, 2006, 09:22:00 AM »
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On 2006-03-02 04:38:00, CaughtInTheMiddle wrote:

""old druggie girl friend is winning hard fought academic awards and career starting merit in the real world." That is great if she keeps it up.



I don't see her as an old druggie girl friend. I see her and Alex as young adults that got caught up in some bad drugs. You only know what they want you to know about her. There is a lot you have know idea about. It isn't my place to put that info here. Nobody would benefit from it. Just as nobody benefited from the things they said about Alex's mom to get your attention. It isn't my place to state some things that really happen. Things she chooses to lie about or chooses not to say. She will have to live with these things. It is between her mom and her, and Alex and her.





Okay, I guess this is where I come in and tell everyone that Yes, Ashley was using drugs too.  This was never denied.  Which drugs and to what extent was kept from us. I don't feel I need to list all the drugs, whatever Alex was using, she was using too. She was afraid to tell us everything.  We know now, and that is what counts.  At this time, she is not using and I believe her when she tells us she has learned a hard lesson.  You know, there are still so many things my parents never found out about me, and they probably never will. I was never caught, so why tell?  These kids got caught and had to fess up to some pretty heavy stuff.  Fear plays a pretty big role in confession.  Ashley was not locked up and forced to confess everything to us.  It took her three months, a little at a time, it was hard to take, but its over.  We move forward.

Life deals some hard lessons.  Some learn from them and become better people.


Anything else you want to know about?  Let me know if I am leaving anything out.

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World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools (WWASPS) / Spring Creek Lodge
« on: February 27, 2006, 06:03:00 PM »
Hi everyone!

Yep, you read it right.  The judge ordered Alex home, if not, she said she would issue a bench warrant and have him brought home.  I just want to thank all of you who wrote letters to the judge, as she did bring that up in court and I think that played a big part in her decision to get him out of that place. I believe he has to be here for his pretrial on March 6th.  I guess there is some justice after all!  Now, we all have to just pray that Alex is okay, and is ready to deal with the courts!  If you have any other questions, just ask and I will try to answer.  

I must say there were tears of joy today!  Thanks again!

Leslie

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World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools (WWASPS) / Spring Creek Lodge
« on: February 27, 2006, 12:13:00 PM »
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On 2006-02-27 09:04:00, Anonymous wrote:

"How many people sent letters to the judge?

Did anyone send this link?"


I have no idea, but I really wish someone could have sent the Judge "Help At Any Cost", and I hope she reads the letter/letters she received!

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World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools (WWASPS) / Spring Creek Lodge
« on: February 17, 2006, 10:21:00 AM »
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On 2006-02-16 17:12:00, CaughtInTheMiddle wrote:


Ashley's mom is aloud her feelings on how she would have done things. I may be wrong and I will talk to her later about this. But with the communication open I think she understand a little more why Alex's mom put him there. Even if it is still and will never be her way. If I am wrong she will let us know. (Hi Leslie!)




Hi Pam!

Yea, you are right.  We have discussed this over and over.  I do not agree with what was done, and would never do it; but Alex is not my kid.  That doesn't mean that I shouldn't be concerned for him and how he will be when he does come home.  Hopefully, things will be the way Jacki and Joe are hoping for, but I guess we won't know until he gets home.  

In the meantime, hang in there with your daughter!  Things will get better, just keep the lines of communication with her open, even if she keeps shutting you out.  Eventually, in my opinion, she will come around.  Nobody ever told us it would be easy!  Be strong!

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World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools (WWASPS) / Spring Creek Lodge
« on: February 14, 2006, 09:36:00 AM »
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On 2006-02-14 06:28:00, CaughtInTheMiddle wrote:

"Thank you for posting. It is nice to here that

you conforming made your stay better. It would be

nice if your friends did post. Do you have a forum where we can ask questions to ease our minds? Sounds to me that this kid had problems that didn't fit this school. IMO SCL and others should choose there students better to fit there program. "


I agree - so far I am unable to find a forum with positive feedback on these programs.  It would be nice to be able to read somehthing positive.  

CIM - give me a call when you get a chance.

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World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools (WWASPS) / Spring Creek Lodge
« on: February 13, 2006, 10:24:00 AM »
Copied from other topic:

 "Thank God for this wonderful forum. I was "googling" the name of my son's former program, Spring Creek Lodge School in Montana, and found this website. I sent my son to SCL a year ago and should have seen the writing on the wall sooner. His story is directly in line with all the other horrible accounts I've read here. SCL is most definitely an abusive school. If you are not willing to believe the kids, believe me and all the other parents speaking out. I went to discovery seminar and should have known then what type of people run WWASPS and why my son was in so much danger, both emotionally and phsyically. I pulled my son due to financial difficulties after a year, and he is so much worse off now than he ever was, it breaks my heart. We made a mistake. A huge, life-altering mistake and I implore all those walking down this path to reevaluate their decision. I know now WWASPS is not a proper treatment facility for a kid with special needs, which my son needed. The stories he tells me give me chills down my neck, and I don't want to believe them, but I know he is telling me the truth --- even though I want to pretend he is lying to me. I know my son, I know his eyes and he is being truthful. He was abused. Just pulling my son out before he was finished was difficult. In my opinion Spring Creek School runs itself like a cult. There is no treatment whatsoever, they simply watch the kids and hope they outgrow their behaviors. I didn't need to spend four thousand dollars a month to have someone babysit my kid and emotionally and physically harm them. This is not what I paid for, but it is what I received. I notice there are a couple pro-WWASP posters here, and please be aware of something. I called WWASP and asked them about fornits, and asked if so many kids and parents were unhappy, why had they not changed their ways. They told me they monitored this forum, and post regularly. I wouldn't be surprised if the pro-WWASP posts are from WWASP employees themselves. This sounds ridiculous, until you realize how insidious and crazed the WWASP staff are. I wish I had never heard the word WWASPS and should have known right away what kind of organization they were just from choosing a name like WWASP. I was wrong, and now my son will pay emotional costs for the remainder of his life. Luckily we can speak about it and we are doing better, but he is still angry, anxious and worried all the time. Now we are pursuing proper treatment and therapy and he is doing much better. I wish we had taken this route all along, because it is actually helping him. WWASPS made him worse, and besides losing out on his entire college fund, it is now taking more money out of pocket to pay for therapy to help him get over the PTSD he now suffers from due to being mistreated at Spring Creek School. I wish I had never heard of that place, that horrible, horrible place."

I found this on the other forum topic "Let's stage a protest".  Found it quite interesting.[ This Message was edited by: Ashley's Mom on 2006-02-13 07:25 ]

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World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools (WWASPS) / Spring Creek Lodge
« on: January 27, 2006, 02:16:00 PM »
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On 2006-01-26 09:23:00, Anonymous wrote:

"So.... anything yet?



Is he staying until 18?



Should we expect an 'Exit Plan 2' here sometime soon?"


Nothing new.  Alex is still at SCL, and will be until he turns 18, from what I understand.  The lines of communication are opening up, and I hope this continues.

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World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools (WWASPS) / Spring Creek Lodge
« on: January 24, 2006, 07:17:00 AM »
Caught in the middle,

I sent you an email.  Any news?

Leslie

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World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools (WWASPS) / Spring Creek Lodge
« on: January 17, 2006, 07:24:00 PM »
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On 2006-01-17 14:49:00, Aunt Shelly wrote:

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On 2006-01-16 19:57:00, Shlee wrote:


"Well, once again, the tables were turned and the tablecloth was pulled from beneath all of us.  Aunt Pam and Shelly, thank you so, very much for everything you've been doing for Alex and I.  For actually trying to make sense of this whole chaotic mess.  I will probably be giving either of you a call in the near future, exams are this week and this just adds to the stress."

Try and concentrate on your exams Ashley.  Your future is important too.  "


Aunt Shelly & Aunt Pam,

Thanks.  Ashley is trying to focus on school, but it has been pretty hard lately.  On the upside, she was just awarded the Golden Key from Scholastics for an art project that was entered.  From here she goes to the Nationals, and if all goes well there, then to an art show in New York City!  This was some very good news for her today, after the disappointing news yesterday.  Thanks again for the support, it really does help to have someone trying to help open lines of communication.

Aunt Pam, I hope you received the email with our address.  She is anxiously awaiting.

Leslie

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World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools (WWASPS) / Spring Creek Lodge
« on: January 17, 2006, 08:47:00 AM »
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On 2006-01-17 04:54:00, CaughtInTheMiddle wrote:

"Ashley or Leslie please checks your email.

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I sent you an email with address.  Thanks.

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World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools (WWASPS) / Spring Creek Lodge
« on: January 16, 2006, 11:18:00 AM »
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On 2006-01-16 08:15:00, CaughtInTheMiddle wrote:

"We are talking in emails and on the phone. It has been nice to have the communication opened. Alex is not home yet but he is doing fine."


CIM,

Did you get my email today? Could you please give me an update.

Leslie

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