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« Reply #630 on: January 17, 2006, 12:17:00 PM »
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On 2006-01-17 08:50:00, CCM girl 1989 wrote:


"Anyone out there that has the time, energy, and knowledge of the WWASP family tree to edjucate fool?





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ISAC's WWASPS Information Page has some information on relationships."


That was a great link you provided all of us with. I urge everyone to check it out.
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« Reply #631 on: January 17, 2006, 12:19:00 PM »
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"....when you have years and years of pissing people off, and the threat of legal action, you have to become creative in hiding your affiliation."

As documented here:

http://www.isaccorp.org/wwasps/wwasps.99.html
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« Reply #632 on: January 17, 2006, 12:23:00 PM »
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Geez, buzz, Emily Dickinson must be rolling over in her grave at the misquote, lack of ...


Wow, where'd you come from? Seriously. Everyone else posting in this thread is either somehow involved w/ the kid we're trying to save (from you??) or a regular around here. And here you come along, lookin like only you can look and smellin like only you can smell) with randome insults and unrelated bullshit.

Why? Do you know this kid? Or do you have a vested interest in the program?

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« Reply #633 on: January 17, 2006, 12:34:00 PM »
A vested interest in the program. I smell a little Brut in the air myself.  :lol:
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« Reply #634 on: January 17, 2006, 01:08:00 PM »
///Geez, buzz, Emily Dickinson must be rolling over in her grave at the misquote, lack of citation, misspelling (Moore was an irish poet, goofy; a moor is a geographical feature)and your spurious attempt to use her poetry for something as dumb as this argument. Emily was referring to the power of her imagination, which is maybe appropriate after all, since imaginary things comprise the sum of evidence against scl. ///

I didn't misquote her.
The punctuation is a bit different - but Emily did very often use dash marks.
I added an e to Moor - so sorry.
It changes nothing in the meaning of the text and is easily understood to be a region of land were Heather grows.
Finely, The poem is not about her imagination. It is about her Knowing.

I *Know* how the Heather Looks - and what a Wave must be.

It concludes:

I never spoke with God;
Nor visited in Heaven.
Yet I am certain of the Spot -
as if a chart were given.

Which I didn't feel appropriate for the point I wanted to make - which is, one need not actually experience a thing, to know what it is like. One can learn from the experience and example of others, if one isn't an idiot.
And also, I didn't wish anyone to think I was trying to start another theological debate.
The quote as I used it is apt.
Emily would be pleased.

What would she have to say about Spring Creek Lodge, I wonder?

If I could stop one Heart from Breaking. . .

A wounded deer leaps highest. . .

Much Madness is devinest sense. . .

To fight aloud is very Brave. . .

If you were coming in the fall . . .

Troubled about many things. . .

I've seen a dying eye. . .

To know just how he suffered. . .

The last night that she lived. . .

Emancipation. . .

Heres one for you anon:

Belshazzar had a letter -
He never had but one;
Belshazzar's correspondent
Concluded and begun
In that Immortal copy
The conscience of us all
Can read without it glasses
On revelation's wall.

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« Reply #635 on: January 17, 2006, 01:18:00 PM »
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On 2006-01-17 08:50:00, CCM girl 1989 wrote:

"Anyone out there that has the time, energy, and knowledge of the WWASP family tree to edjucate fool?


More.... http://newstandardnews.net/content/index.cfm/items/2620

Behavior Modification Money Trail
by Michelle Chen (bio)  

Government connections enable ?teen help? industry to thwart regulation.

This sidebar is associated with a full-length feature article, At Some Youth ?Treatment? Facilities, ?Tough Love? Takes Brutal Forms.



The controversial world of youth behavior-modification facilities intersects with a web of intricate political connections. And where the treatment industry sees cooperation with government entities, activists warn, these links could cloud the prospects for public oversight of the "teen-help" market.

The influence of the behavior-modification industry is felt on Capitol Hill. Four members of the House of Representatives and one senator serve as honorary board members of Kids Helping Kids, a company with corporate links to a now-defunct behavior-modification program for teen drug users known as Straight Incorporated. The various franchises of that program dissolved in the early 1990s following allegations of child abuse, as well as criticism for using cruel, prisoner-of-war-style brainwashing techniques on adolescents.

Watchdog groups report that Straight Inc. has since morphed into the Drug Free America Foundation, a conservative anti-drug advocacy group. The co-founder, Mel Sembler, is a longtime Republican Party donor and fundraiser who served as ambassador to Italy for the current administration and ambassador to Australia under George H.W. Bush.

The connections are even more direct on the state level. Earlier this year in Montana, a landmark bill to impose regulatory guidelines on adolescent residential treatment facilities was squelched by a powerful lobbying campaign from private service providers. Proposed partially in response to reports of abuse and deaths in some treatment programs, the bill would have authorized the state Department of Health and Human Services to monitor private behavior-modification programs. According to government estimates, Montana contains over two dozen of these institutions, ranging from "wilderness"-based programs to disciplinary boarding academies.

To eclipse the bill, private treatment companies pushed their own legislation, which would effectively place regulatory authority not with the health department but with a five-member board under the Department of Labor. Three of the board?s members are representatives of the teen treatment industry, including state Representative Paul Clark, who directs a local therapeutic wilderness program. The bill, which was recently approved by the legislature, requests no public funding and specifically exempts church-affiliated and "faith-based" programs.

According to state records, Spring Creek Lodge, an affiliate of World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools (WWASPS), spent over $50,000 on lobbying activities to help push the bill through the legislature.

In Utah, the WWASPS name is prominently linked to the Republican Party. The Salt Lake City Tribune reported that between 2002 and 2004, WWASPS founder Robert Lichfield, his family, and business associates have contributed a total of more than $1 million to Republican candidates and party organizations ? a financial push that coincided with the killing of a 2004 initiative in the state legislature to regulate teen residential treatment facilities.

Charles Huffine, an adolescent psychiatrist who has joined other mental health professionals in urging stronger oversight of residential treatment facilities, is wary of attempts by industry interests to co-opt the regulatory process. "It?s the fox-guarding-the-chicken-coop kind of thing," he remarked.

But rather than a conflict of interest, some in the teen help industry see a healthy partnership with officials. In interviews with The NewStandard, WWASPS representatives described a good working relationship between their enterprises and the agencies charged with checking up on them, like state departments of education and, at Tranquility Bay in Jamaica, the United States Embassy.

"I?m all for law enforcement," said WWASPS President Ken Kay. "I think all of our schools work closely with law enforcement and would welcome their visit every day."
 

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« Reply #636 on: January 17, 2006, 04:00:00 PM »
Let me just start out by saying I am registered republican. I am not big into politics, but I read the paper.....watch fox news.......I'm a fairly balanced, and open minded person, but I can't believe how crooked, and corrupt most politicians are!

I admire people who are able to make good money, and not rely on the state to take care of them. But, it really pisses me off how they are making money hand over fist off of our kids! Well, not mine because I don't have any!!!! But, they made money off of me, and they are making money off of Alex!

They take this holy roller, my shit don't stink attitude, and get away with murder!!!

What's up with that?!!
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« Reply #637 on: January 17, 2006, 05:49:00 PM »
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On 2006-01-16 19:57:00, Shlee wrote:

"Well, once again, the tables were turned and the tablecloth was pulled from beneath all of us.  Aunt Pam and Shelly, thank you so, very much for everything you've been doing for Alex and I.  For actually trying to make sense of this whole chaotic mess.  I will probably be giving either of you a call in the near future, exams are this week and this just adds to the stress."
Try and concentrate on your exams Ashley.  Your future is important too.
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« Reply #638 on: January 17, 2006, 07:24:00 PM »
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"Well, once again, the tables were turned and the tablecloth was pulled from beneath all of us.  Aunt Pam and Shelly, thank you so, very much for everything you've been doing for Alex and I.  For actually trying to make sense of this whole chaotic mess.  I will probably be giving either of you a call in the near future, exams are this week and this just adds to the stress."

Try and concentrate on your exams Ashley.  Your future is important too.  "


Aunt Shelly & Aunt Pam,

Thanks.  Ashley is trying to focus on school, but it has been pretty hard lately.  On the upside, she was just awarded the Golden Key from Scholastics for an art project that was entered.  From here she goes to the Nationals, and if all goes well there, then to an art show in New York City!  This was some very good news for her today, after the disappointing news yesterday.  Thanks again for the support, it really does help to have someone trying to help open lines of communication.

Aunt Pam, I hope you received the email with our address.  She is anxiously awaiting.

Leslie
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« Reply #639 on: January 17, 2006, 09:24:00 PM »
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They take this holy roller, my shit don't stink attitude, and get away with murder!!!

What's up with that?!!


Oh, well, that's partisanship for ya. Ya know, some of the founders were pretty vocal against party politics. Maybe they had a good point. I'm a libertarian, not a Libertarian, because I think Libertarian Party is an oxymoron, unless there's ganja or homebrew involved.

But, generally, this is what happens when people organize to fix something. Then we throw in government funding and it's attendant bureaucracy and it's perpetual momentum and, well then we really fowl things up badly.

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cannot subsist with them.
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« Reply #640 on: January 17, 2006, 10:45:00 PM »
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Atomic, how can you know? You have no experience of scl. Realistically, how could you know what's best for a kid you never met, who is in a place you've never seen? I respect most of your posts because they show some thought, but this one doesn't really seem that way. "


There is enough damning press on WWASPS that any literate person should know this place is not a good place for children. I won't bother to list all the respected newspapers and TV shows that have covered the cruel and inhumane practices these facilities use to 'fix' teenagers. I won't bother to list the facilites that have been closed by the authorities of several countries. They are easy enough to find and read for yourself. I don't have to know the specific child to know that this cannot be good for him, because it cannot be good for anyone.

Jay Kay, the current owner/director of Tranquility Bay described ?observation status/placement? as ?incarceration in an environment so intolerable that he [the student] will do anything to get out ? where ?anything? means surrendering his mind to authority.?

Right from the horse's mouth, so to speak. What more do you need? I don't anything more than Jay's own words to condemn WWASPS.

According to Spring Creek's Parent Orientation Handbook, "the school is ìnot recommended for students who are suicidal, psychotic, violent, assaultive, diabetic, schizophrenic, highly depressed and/or who have significant mental and emotional problems, drug addictions, or traumatic brain injury."

Did I read that correctly? Drug addictions? What is Alex's problem again? Seems to me everyone that knows him on this board say he is 'addicted to drugs.'
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« Reply #641 on: January 17, 2006, 11:21:00 PM »
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"Also, he wont have to escape at age 18.  He will be welcomed home when he is ready."


So, he is still at SCL. Noted. Need I say more?
 
No he won't have to escape. I'm certain every precaution will be employed to prevent that from occuring.
 
When will he be ready? Who gets to make this determination? Does Alex get decide when he is ready, and what he is ready for?
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« Reply #642 on: January 17, 2006, 11:25:00 PM »
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Jay Kay, the current owner/director of Tranquility Bay described ?observation status/placement? as ?incarceration in an environment so intolerable that he [the student] will do anything to get out ? where ?anything? means surrendering his mind to authority.?


What kind of a sadistic fuck do you have to be to subscribe to this shit?  :roll:

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« Reply #643 on: January 18, 2006, 01:24:00 AM »
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"Also, he wont have to escape at age 18.  He will be welcomed home when he is ready."


Who gets to decide when he's ready? How do they decide? Cause my guess is that if you could ask him privately, if he trusts you enough to know it's not a fidelity test, he'd tell you he was ready yesterday!

CCM Girl, what happens if Alex wants out and staff doesn't think he's ready?

Either cocaine and marijuana are terribly dangerous substances, and breaking the law by consuming them is a major offense that should be severely punished, or these are minor, personal matters that do not really count in the big picture of a man's life. If the latter is the case, then the rationale for a bloody, costly and futile war against drugs simply disappears.
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« Reply #644 on: January 18, 2006, 05:56:00 AM »
Congratulations Ashley !! Keep up the great work!!
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