Spring Creek Lodge

[CCM girl 1989]

On 2006-03-20 19:40:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2006-03-20 13:40:00, CCM girl 1989 wrote:


"I refuse to even go there! I would never even want my face posted as a member of that group!!!





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"I'm not into censoring people. I think you should be able to say whatever you like unless your threatening someones life, or something like that. People need to learn to get a tougher skin. People should have a certain amount of respect for others, but not everyone does. I find it a little humorous that there is now a pro-wwasp group! But, whatever............different strokes for different folks. I am not going to stop you."



This was on the Pro Wwasp site...isn't this you CCM Girl?"

I do believe that they can have their own group. But, as others have let them come into their anti-wwasp groups, they should let them come into their pro-wwasps group.

It is a little ass backwards to have a pro-wwasp group. I find it so fricken bizarre I can't even tell you, but whatever........I've always said different strokes for different folkes.

It's a little hard to follow all this stuff! With all the ANON postings, I wish people would get a screename.

Ummm........obviously this ANON does not follow my postings in myspace too closely. Somebody created a topic, which I quoted here about going to complain about this pro-wwasp group. I had replied to her by saying they should be able to have their group.

I have never asked for anyone's group to be removed from my space. Truth be told.....I could really give a fuck less if they have a pro-wwasp group! I basically think it's a few individuals that just want to be different. Just like there are people who dream of being a cop.

When I post, 99.99999% I have always been logged in. I am not afraid to speak my mind. When it comes to my past, and my experiences that I had with WWASPS, sometimes I do get fearful. But, I have never said anything that wasn't true.

So, anyway........who gives a shit.........let them have their group. I checked it out, and I don't see anything great there. I mean there are no good examples of what part of the program they took with them. If the program was so great, and it saved their lives, I want to hear these people speak it, and be specific. But, like I said before most of them won't be able to. It's a group that wants to be different, and it's a small group of people that were probably picked on by the majority of the school.

[CCM girl 1989]

By the way, this is exactly what I said to the gal who was asking for support in having the pro-wwasp group removed:


Posted:  Mar 20, 2006 12:38 PM
   
"I dunno, people are entitled to start whatever group they like! However, I think they are whacked?!!! Hey, some people like being beat, and verbally abused, and punished. Not me, not most, but there are those out there that do!"

[Ashley's Mom]

Alex is doing great.  He is still staying with us.  He and his family are trying to work through things.  In the meantime, he is getting back into school to get his diploma and looking for a job.  He seems pretty focused on what he wants to accomplish.

[Anonymous]

On 2006-03-21 07:23:00, Ashley's Mom wrote:

"Alex is doing great.  He is still staying with us.  He and his family are trying to work through things.  In the meantime, he is getting back into school to get his diploma and looking for a job.  He seems pretty focused on what he wants to accomplish.  "

That's good to hear. Pulling him out of SCL was the best thing then it seems, props to that judge who made a decision the parents seemed incapable of making themselves.

[Anonymous]

Give it a year and then see.  Time will tell if there is change or if this is just the honeymoon period!

[CCM girl 1989]

Total props to the judge for having him pulled!!! I think Alex will be fine. Now we need hat judge, and others to do that X 3,000.

On a different note, I am annoyed that my 2 posts on that pro-wwasp site were pulled. I didn't even say anything that bad!

I think they don't like me over there? Oh well, I am not losing sleep over it. But, now I am pissed because even though fornits is not my own, I know they come over here and post their b.s.!!!!!

[Antigen]

Thanks, Ashley's Mom! Glad he's doing alright. It's a difficult situation, I know very well. Staying busy working toward worthwhile goals is probably the best 'medicine'.

As to the anti-pro-wwasp countermovement, I'm w/ CCM here. I understand completely the impulse some people feel to want to shut them down. I think it's just leftover fear, but not paranoia.

In one way, a group that identifies as "not anti-wwasp" can be intimidating. It's a lot like a Klan rally. But there's really no need to go out of your way to stop them. But then, I'm one of those people who firmly believe that even the Klan or Black Panthers or anyone espousing any philosophy has the same God given right to expression as I do, no matter how strenuously I may disagree.

All we have to do is just take them up on their offer to engage in dialog.

To the not-anti-wwasp ppl, of course you all are still welcome to read and post here if and when you please. Same as it ever was, though, you're also entitled to any response anyone else wants to make.

Whenever you open a discussion on WWASP, you're going to get some extremely negative feedback. The only way to prevent that is to strictly screen, moderate and censor your discussion. At the end of the day, you wind up w/ a small handful of people who all agree and, therefore, have little to talk about. And how interesting is that? That's why Lon's forums are always so dead. Who wants to spend time and energy engaged in discussion where the conclusions are predetermined?

The right of self-defense is the first law of nature . . and when the right of the people to keep and bear arms is, under any color or pretext whatsoever, prohibited, liberty, if not already annihilated, is on the brink of destruction.

--St. George Tucker, in his edition of Blackstone's Commentaries

[Anonymous]

On 2006-03-21 07:23:00, Ashley's Mom wrote:

"Alex is doing great.  He is still staying with us.  He and his family are trying to work through things.  In the meantime, he is getting back into school to get his diploma and looking for a job.  He seems pretty focused on what he wants to accomplish.  "

That's great to hear he is able to get away from his parents!! From what we read on here they sounded like real nut-jobs. It's cool he has such good friends with sane parents.  :grin:

[Anonymous]

Let's talk again in a year

[Anonymous]

On 2006-03-22 07:22:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Let's talk again in a year"

Hey why dont you tell us what happens to a cake that isn't finished when you remove it from the oven, wwaspie.  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

[Anonymous]

Randall Hinton, admits to the camera and the interviewer that he pepper-sprayed the boy several times a day for months at a time. Hinton also hog-tied the kid for hours on end in solitary confinement, dragged him, busted his chin, chipped a tooth, made him wear a diaper made out of a trash bag, and scrubbed his genitals with a toilet brush covered in pepper-spray. Ken Kay and another staff member were also present and helping when this incident happened, according to the boy's sworn testimony.

All this documented and proven to be true, and Alex's parents still go after this program to send their kid to. Obviously they could give a shit about Alex's well being and safety.

[Anonymous]

don't have a kid in a program, never have.  i've just seen what happens to kids when people interfere with family situations that are not their business.  The intentions are often good and meant for help, but time, more often than not, proves that the parents were right about their their child's behavior and actions.  

This is not an endorsement of Spring Creek.  I would not have chosen SL for any child.  However, Alex is no longer there.  He should be home working things out with his parents.  Girlfriends come and go and don't have a history with the boy.  His parents will always be his parents.  If they are willing to have him at home and work thru the problems to correct the relationship.  That is what is best long term.  No parent is perfect and most are willing to admit it.  It seems as if Alex's parents love him very much and were pushed to react in a stressed situation.  Now, maybe the pressure has released some and they can work together towards a healthy relationship.  

It is also possible that the parents would prefer to have Alex somewhere else while they work things out because he being back in the house may start the build up of pressure again, which is not healthy for Alex or his family.  My prayer is that all involved adults are working together and are on the same page, not putting Alex in a tug of war.  He needs support and he needs his parents.

From watching friends go thru this, it took less than a year for the child to prove to other concerned adults that the parents were right about their child.  Some of the interfering adults have gone back and apologized to the family for stepping in and causing harm to the family by interfering.  Others, just hide and are obviously embarassed by their actions.

[Anonymous]

His parents are both incapable and unwilling to be parents, hence their choice of Spring Creek Lodge.

[Anonymous]

So....you are saying that Alex was the model child, law abiding, hard working, respectful, loving, helpful...?  And he always exhibited the ability to make wise choices, but his horrible parents plucked him out of healthy relationships and good friends and influences and shipped him off to this monsterous place for the fun of it?  Come on....no parent chooses a TBS because they want to!  That is silly!  They are too expensive and it is certainly not socially acceptable!  It causes heart ache all the way around.  If Alex's parents are really like that, then great!  He should be at the girlfriend's house, however, just from reading the posts on this thread, neither Alex nor his parents are perfect and both have stuff to work on towards a healthy relationship.  

When people are desparate, they will do desparate things, especially for those they love.  If you were desparate and at the time all you had to go on was the website and an education consultant, there is no telling what you would do.  The problem is with wwasp playing on parents' fears and with the industry, not necessarily the scared, desparate parents looking for help.  Hindsight is always best.  But when you are awake all night searching websites for help and every search takes you to a WWASP school and then the ed cons call and start to calm your fears and then send you to parents and chat rooms that confirm what the ed cons and wwasp parents tell you, you want to believe.  You want help for your desparate situation.  

These people are like drug dealers looking for confused hurt teenagers that will do anything to feel better.  Don't blame parents, blame the system and continue to work to fix it.  There will always be rebellious teenagers and desparate parents.  These people do need help.  Real help needs to be provided.  This sight does SOME good for that.  It stops doing good when parents that already feel attacked get attacked even more.

As seen too many times, parents don't find this site until they have already made an agonizing decision.  Don't shut down parents, shut down abusive TB schools.

[Anonymous]

It's a system designed to take advantage of parents' ignorance and bulging pocket books. Don't say it has nothing to do with the parents, it has everything to do with the parents.