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« Reply #690 on: February 08, 2006, 12:15:00 PM »
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"It's funny to me that since you cannot attack what I have said you are going after me instead.. seems like you are out of material.. what a relief :wave: "




What you said, if you're the same anon, is that this kid, Alex, was all fucked up on hard drugs and facing multiple felonies. I only asked if you knew him by way of finding out the basis for that statement. Either you know him and found out from him, you don't know him, but you heard some shit talk about him from other WWASPies or you just made it up.



So, which is it?

Nobody writes curriculum for self-determined spiritual individuals and expects to sell it in the public school market.

http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/chapters/13e.htm' target='_new'>John Taylor Gatto


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Actually this girlfriend posted something on myspace that had more info and that's where I heard all these things
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« Reply #691 on: February 08, 2006, 12:46:00 PM »
I look forward to seeing you all here when you have out of control teenagers.
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« Reply #692 on: February 08, 2006, 12:54:00 PM »
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On 2006-02-08 09:15:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2006-01-30 16:09:00, Eudora wrote:


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On 2006-01-29 17:36:00, Anonymous wrote:



"It's funny to me that since you cannot attack what I have said you are going after me instead.. seems like you are out of material.. what a relief :wave: "







What you said, if you're the same anon, is that this kid, Alex, was all fucked up on hard drugs and facing multiple felonies. I only asked if you knew him by way of finding out the basis for that statement. Either you know him and found out from him, you don't know him, but you heard some shit talk about him from other WWASPies or you just made it up.





So, which is it?

Nobody writes curriculum for self-determined spiritual individuals and expects to sell it in the public school market.


http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/chapters/13e.htm' target='_new'>John Taylor Gatto



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Actually this girlfriend posted something on myspace that had more info and that's where I heard all these things"



Actually, there wasn't anything more posted on myspace that wasn't posted in this thread. Her Myspace did not have nearly as much written about this kid than the 71 pages to this thread.  Seems like your just trying to start something by stirring up old info.
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« Reply #693 on: February 08, 2006, 01:02:00 PM »
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"I look forward to seeing you all here when you have out of control teenagers.



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Reality check, most posters are adults who have adult kids. Most posters here are straight survivors. So, no, you are absolutely wrong in fact -- it's been proven many times over.
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« Reply #694 on: February 08, 2006, 07:10:00 PM »
So when's Alex's 18th birthday again?
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« Reply #695 on: February 08, 2006, 07:15:00 PM »
He turns 18 in June and will be returning home then.
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« Reply #696 on: February 09, 2006, 12:42:00 AM »
Mary Hickey, formerly of Spring Creek Lodge, just committed suicide.

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 Posted:  Jan 29, 2006 2:52 PM
   
anyone know anything about brett bins.. got his .. or anything??

 Posted:  Jan 29, 2006 3:02 PM
   
i tried to get a hold of him but the last time his friends heard about him he went to juvie for drunk driving.
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« Reply #697 on: February 09, 2006, 09:53:00 AM »
News of Mary Hickey's suicide was a hoax.  Not sure if she posted it or someone who had access to her myspace account.  I find it hard to believe that she didn't post it to see what kind of a reaction she'd get.  Oh, she did admit that she had "attempted" suicide just last week but was found by friends in time...sounds fishy to me.  Hope she gets the help it sounds like she needs... :cry:
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« Reply #698 on: February 09, 2006, 11:14:00 AM »
I do hope she gets help! I will not be the one to give her any shit though. Last time (I was 15) there was a girl in school with us who was always trying to kill herself, by drinking hairspray/nail polish remover, etc.

Well, she started climbing a radio tower, and reached it mid-way (40 ft.up) we were yelling at her.........you're not going to do it, stop trying to get attention, etc. etc. well she jumped. I have never seen anything like that in my life. I will never forget it. She survived somehow though she was parylized (she hit a beam on the way done that broke her fall just enough so she didn't die. I heard after years of physical therapy she walks with a cane.

I'll never do that to another human being. We all felt responsible.
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f you were never in a program, or a parent of a child in a program, then you have no business posting here.

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« Reply #699 on: February 13, 2006, 12:49:00 AM »
At least you learned from the experience.  Some people don't.

One of the biggest myths out there about suicide is that people who talk about suicide don't do it or that people who talk about suicide or make failed attempts are just trying to get attention and aren't really going to kill themselves.

The truth is that anyone who is talking about suicide is high risk for completing a suicide.

There are mentally ill people who will talk about suicide before doing it because they'd rather have their pain stop than die.  But if their pain doesn't get alleviated somehow, they'd rather die than live with it.

Anybody whose life sucks so bad and is in so much pain that getting stuck in a mental hospital for evaluation is a step up---anybody whose life sucks that bad needs a better life.

Someone who attempts suicide or threatens it "just to get attention" needs that attention---in the form of evaluation in a mental hospital with the pdoc's recommendations for treatment being followed up.

The idea that someone would put a child in a situation so horrible that the child would "manipulate" to get sent to a mental hospital for evaluation---because the mental hospital would be a *better* place---the idea that someone would put a child someplace like that horrifies and revolts me.

Seeing program people come on Fornits and prate sanctimoniously about why it's okay to treat kids that badly---not merely okay, but *necessary*---alternately makes me sick and makes me wish I was sitting on the jury trying those evil bastards.

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« Reply #700 on: February 13, 2006, 10:24:00 AM »
Copied from other topic:

 "Thank God for this wonderful forum. I was "googling" the name of my son's former program, Spring Creek Lodge School in Montana, and found this website. I sent my son to SCL a year ago and should have seen the writing on the wall sooner. His story is directly in line with all the other horrible accounts I've read here. SCL is most definitely an abusive school. If you are not willing to believe the kids, believe me and all the other parents speaking out. I went to discovery seminar and should have known then what type of people run WWASPS and why my son was in so much danger, both emotionally and phsyically. I pulled my son due to financial difficulties after a year, and he is so much worse off now than he ever was, it breaks my heart. We made a mistake. A huge, life-altering mistake and I implore all those walking down this path to reevaluate their decision. I know now WWASPS is not a proper treatment facility for a kid with special needs, which my son needed. The stories he tells me give me chills down my neck, and I don't want to believe them, but I know he is telling me the truth --- even though I want to pretend he is lying to me. I know my son, I know his eyes and he is being truthful. He was abused. Just pulling my son out before he was finished was difficult. In my opinion Spring Creek School runs itself like a cult. There is no treatment whatsoever, they simply watch the kids and hope they outgrow their behaviors. I didn't need to spend four thousand dollars a month to have someone babysit my kid and emotionally and physically harm them. This is not what I paid for, but it is what I received. I notice there are a couple pro-WWASP posters here, and please be aware of something. I called WWASP and asked them about fornits, and asked if so many kids and parents were unhappy, why had they not changed their ways. They told me they monitored this forum, and post regularly. I wouldn't be surprised if the pro-WWASP posts are from WWASP employees themselves. This sounds ridiculous, until you realize how insidious and crazed the WWASP staff are. I wish I had never heard the word WWASPS and should have known right away what kind of organization they were just from choosing a name like WWASP. I was wrong, and now my son will pay emotional costs for the remainder of his life. Luckily we can speak about it and we are doing better, but he is still angry, anxious and worried all the time. Now we are pursuing proper treatment and therapy and he is doing much better. I wish we had taken this route all along, because it is actually helping him. WWASPS made him worse, and besides losing out on his entire college fund, it is now taking more money out of pocket to pay for therapy to help him get over the PTSD he now suffers from due to being mistreated at Spring Creek School. I wish I had never heard of that place, that horrible, horrible place."

I found this on the other forum topic "Let's stage a protest".  Found it quite interesting.[ This Message was edited by: Ashley's Mom on 2006-02-13 07:25 ]
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« Reply #701 on: February 14, 2006, 09:09:00 AM »
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 "Thank God for this wonderful forum. I was "googling" the name of my son's former program, Spring Creek Lodge School in Montana, and found this website. I sent my son to SCL a year ago and should have seen the writing on the wall sooner. His story is directly in line with all the other horrible accounts I've read here. SCL is most definitely an abusive school. If you are not willing to believe the kids, believe me and all the other parents speaking out. I went to discovery seminar and should have known then what type of people run WWASPS and why my son was in so much danger, both emotionally and phsyically. I pulled my son due to financial difficulties after a year, and he is so much worse off now than he ever was, it breaks my heart. We made a mistake. A huge, life-altering mistake and I implore all those walking down this path to reevaluate their decision. I know now WWASPS is not a proper treatment facility for a kid with special needs, which my son needed. The stories he tells me give me chills down my neck, and I don't want to believe them, but I know he is telling me the truth --- even though I want to pretend he is lying to me. I know my son, I know his eyes and he is being truthful. He was abused. Just pulling my son out before he was finished was difficult. In my opinion Spring Creek School runs itself like a cult. There is no treatment whatsoever, they simply watch the kids and hope they outgrow their behaviors. I didn't need to spend four thousand dollars a month to have someone babysit my kid and emotionally and physically harm them. This is not what I paid for, but it is what I received. I notice there are a couple pro-WWASP posters here, and please be aware of something. I called WWASP and asked them about fornits, and asked if so many kids and parents were unhappy, why had they not changed their ways. They told me they monitored this forum, and post regularly. I wouldn't be surprised if the pro-WWASP posts are from WWASP employees themselves. This sounds ridiculous, until you realize how insidious and crazed the WWASP staff are. I wish I had never heard the word WWASPS and should have known right away what kind of organization they were just from choosing a name like WWASP. I was wrong, and now my son will pay emotional costs for the remainder of his life. Luckily we can speak about it and we are doing better, but he is still angry, anxious and worried all the time. Now we are pursuing proper treatment and therapy and he is doing much better. I wish we had taken this route all along, because it is actually helping him. WWASPS made him worse, and besides losing out on his entire college fund, it is now taking more money out of pocket to pay for therapy to help him get over the PTSD he now suffers from due to being mistreated at Spring Creek School. I wish I had never heard of that place, that horrible, horrible place."



I found this on the other forum topic "Let's stage a protest".  Found it quite interesting.[ This Message was edited by: Ashley's Mom on 2006-02-13 07:25 ]"
I am sorry to hear that your son had a bad expirence. I am a former student.. for real, not posing as one... I was in TB in 2000 and then transfered to SCL and graduated in early 2001. I didn't have a bad expirence. I think that is why the place remains open. There are a lot of people out there that didn't. I have a lot of friends that won't post on here because it hurts them to see people talk bad a bout a place that they hold so dear to their heart. I will say that I know that that place can be a bit like quick sand.. the harder you fight it.. the more it hurts. I conformed.. not afraid to say it. I learned a lot and I graduated in 16 months. It's all about how you go about it I think.
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« Reply #702 on: February 14, 2006, 09:28:00 AM »
Thank you for posting. It is nice to here that
you conforming made your stay better. It would be
nice if your friends did post. Do you have a forum where we can ask questions to ease our minds? Sounds to me that this kid had problems that didn't fit this school. IMO SCL and others should choose there students better to fit there program.
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« Reply #703 on: February 14, 2006, 09:36:00 AM »
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"Thank you for posting. It is nice to here that

you conforming made your stay better. It would be

nice if your friends did post. Do you have a forum where we can ask questions to ease our minds? Sounds to me that this kid had problems that didn't fit this school. IMO SCL and others should choose there students better to fit there program. "


I agree - so far I am unable to find a forum with positive feedback on these programs.  It would be nice to be able to read somehthing positive.  

CIM - give me a call when you get a chance.
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« Reply #704 on: February 14, 2006, 09:43:00 AM »
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I am sorry to hear that your son had a bad expirence. I am a former student.. for real, not posing as one... I was in TB in 2000 and then transfered to SCL and graduated in early 2001. I didn't have a bad expirence. I think that is why the place remains open. There are a lot of people out there that didn't. I have a lot of friends that won't post on here because it hurts them to see people talk bad a bout a place that they hold so dear to their heart. I will say that I know that that place can be a bit like quick sand.. the harder you fight it.. the more it hurts. I conformed.. not afraid to say it. I learned a lot and I graduated in 16 months. It's all about how you go about it I think.


Yeah right... why don't you guys start your own forum then, or a myspace groups, or something. As of now, there is no representation of any PRO-WWASP alumni. So far.... all there is, is a couple anonymous posts on this forum. So which side would you believe?
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