Spring Creek Lodge

[CaughtInTheMiddle]

On 2006-02-16 19:09:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Sorry I am just saying how I feel! I'm not calling you names, or being disrespectful. I am just letting Alex know that when his family starts getting older, and really needs him most (like he needs you now, instead he gets strangers) that he dumps you at the old folks home. Actually, I think he should have you woken up in the middle of the night, and transported.



Does anybody know of any elderly transport services? Look, I am half playing.........but see how it feels?


I want you to wake up."

You want to know how it feels. It feels great! That is the best idea I bet you have ever had. I would rather be in a nursing home then interupt my kids lifes. I don't want them changing my diapers. So try again my Anonymous friend.

Maybe the kids should take care of there parents. So they can abuse them right. Now see how much better you could have done. keep trying you might get there.

[Antigen]

On 2006-02-16 19:57:00, CaughtInTheMiddle wrote:

I find it interesting that you without knowing anyone took the teenage girls side.

The teenaged girl is not keeping this kid locked up in a known abusive facility while lying to the courts that he's receiving substance abuse treatment.

Besides, we're not all child haters. Some of us actually like teenagers and presume them innocent unless they prove otherwise. I don't know where you get the idea that being old gives you a pass.

You need only reflect that one of the best ways to get yourself a reputation as a dangerous citizen these days is to go about repeating the very phrases which our founding fathers used in the struggle for independence.

--Charles Austin Beard

[Anonymous]

Naw, it's still hard when it's family. I think I could handle it a little better if someone else did it. Besides, who likes changing poopy diapers? lol

[Anonymous]

On 2006-02-16 20:35:00, Eudora wrote:

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On 2006-02-16 19:57:00, CaughtInTheMiddle wrote:


I find it interesting that you without knowing anyone took the teenage girls side.

The teenaged girl is not keeping this kid locked up in a known abusive facility while lying to the courts that he's receiving substance abuse treatment.



Besides, we're not all child haters. Some of us actually like teenagers and presume them innocent unless they prove otherwise. I don't know where you get the idea that being old gives you a pass.

You need only reflect that one of the best ways to get yourself a reputation as a dangerous citizen these days is to go about repeating the very phrases which our founding fathers used in the struggle for independence.

--Charles Austin Beard

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I couldn't have said it better.

[CaughtInTheMiddle]

That is what you got out of what I said.

Interesting!

I don't hate teenagers. I just realize now that I am older, how much I have learned and how silly I was. We all go through it. Like I said I am not in any way trying to bash or put down Ashley. I just remember that age. Plus I know a lot more then you do about what both kids were doing. I know I know..What teenagers do. Maybe even a little more then some.

Who said they were lying to the court? Have you been in court? When is the next hearing? Can you save me a seat please?

[Anonymous]

Sure we'll save you a seat.

Anywayzzzz..........it's pretty simple:

Alex has a drug problem. I know what it's like to have a drug problem. The first thing you do when you are in a drug rehab, after you detox, is learn what it is that triggers your drug use. Then you try to find other more positive ways of dealing with your emotions. It's so easy when you are an alcoholic or a drug user to use drugs when your emotions trigger them.

SCL has no clue how to deal with substance abuse. They try to kill your spirit with fucked up mind control games. You come out of there hungry for drugs. If I were Alex, and was a "drug addict" I would be instantly looking for something to numb my brain after I just got out of a place that fucked with it for the last 8 months.

That's what he'll end up doing, because you sent him to a behaivor modification camp, and not a real rehab that deals mostly with drug abuse.

Who's fault? Yours. You had a few months before he turned 18 to make an impression, instead your going to make things worse. We've all told you, but you are morons.

Sorry, but you asked for it.

[Anonymous]

POOF...gone Alex who?

[CaughtInTheMiddle]

"That's what he'll end up doing, because you sent him to a behaivor modification camp."


OK I sent him there... Shows how much you pay attention.  :wstupid:

[Anonymous]

On 2006-02-16 20:57:00, CaughtInTheMiddle wrote:


Who said they were lying to the court? Have you been in court? When is the next hearing? Can you save me a seat please?"

Nope.  Don't need to go to court. Public information.  Click on Case Look-up - its in black and white.  Read for yourself.


http://macombcountymi.gov/circuitcourt/

[69]

On 2006-02-16 19:09:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Sorry I am just saying how I feel! I'm not calling you names, or being disrespectful. I am just letting Alex know that when his family starts getting older, and really needs him most (like he needs you now, instead he gets strangers) that he dumps you at the old folks home. Actually, I think he should have you woken up in the middle of the night, and transported.



Does anybody know of any elderly transport services? Look, I am half playing.........but see how it feels?


I want you to wake up."

That old folks home comparison never gets old, it really shows how ridiculous this whole thing is, doesn't it? What if an adult child had their parent kidnapped in the middle of the night, in the same way the teen transports do? Then sent then to some isolated old-folks home where they receive the bare minimum of care, and are forced to attent LGAT seminars to make them appreciate how much we do for them at home. It wouldn't fly, not for one second, but it does with teenagers for some reason.

As much as I still resent my father for sending me to an abusive facility, and then refusing to believe me when I told him so, I could never do the same to him. We are not the same type of person, which I GLADLY accept. I know a lot of traumatized people can go on to become the abuser themselves (i.e. ex-students who work for programs), but I really want to break that cycle for myself. I hope this is the last generation of parents who goes screaming to a group of unqualified lifespring cult members with fancy brochures and slick salespeople when their teen smokes pot or talks back to teachers. I assume the cycle of ignorance can't continue on forever. So the more attention brought to this topic the better, IMO.

And the anon who says his drug use will only get worse as a byproduct of SCL couldn't be more right. That's why I get so sad to see other kids sent there, not just because I know of the possible abuse they might receive, but knowing that there is better, and real treatment options out there, and some kids are really getting screwed over by not getting access to that real treatment. Hopefully one day they will if they truly need it. Any kid sent their with a psychological or drug problem (most?) are getting royally screwed, there is no other way to say it, sorry parents -- no disrespect, it's the truth.

No laws, however stringent, can make the idle industrious, the thriftless provident, or the drunken sober
--Samuel Stiles

[Anonymous]

Can't it is down until Tue.

[Ashley's Mom]

On 2006-02-16 17:12:00, CaughtInTheMiddle wrote:


Ashley's mom is aloud her feelings on how she would have done things. I may be wrong and I will talk to her later about this. But with the communication open I think she understand a little more why Alex's mom put him there. Even if it is still and will never be her way. If I am wrong she will let us know. (Hi Leslie!)

Hi Pam!

Yea, you are right.  We have discussed this over and over.  I do not agree with what was done, and would never do it; but Alex is not my kid.  That doesn't mean that I shouldn't be concerned for him and how he will be when he does come home.  Hopefully, things will be the way Jacki and Joe are hoping for, but I guess we won't know until he gets home.  

In the meantime, hang in there with your daughter!  Things will get better, just keep the lines of communication with her open, even if she keeps shutting you out.  Eventually, in my opinion, she will come around.  Nobody ever told us it would be easy!  Be strong!

[CaughtInTheMiddle]

We are all concerned. I pray ever night that with a lot of love and therapy he will get back on track. We all miss him!

I realize one day she will love me again. I also know she loves me know she just doesn't know it..lol

I will never give up. I was a lot like her it took until I moved out on my own before I seen half the things my parents said to me.

I do miss having a fun loving relationship with her though. It feels as if I never have had it. I am reading and have read so many books. I just hope soon I find what works for us, and find the right therapist that she will connect with.

When they are cute little babies you sure don't think about the teen years.

[Antigen]

Alex's Aunt, there are nursing homes and then there are nursing homes.

Let me tell you a little about how my family came out of cultland. We're divided, to say the least. I went through a longer and more abusive program than my older brothers and sisters did. They really never did understand that till fairly recently when I started documenting and hawking news on the issue.

So, for decades, my family just couldn't understand what I was so upset about and just concluded that I was a whiney brat who couldn't get over it.  

Straight in the early `80's was just many orders of magnitude more militant and fanatical than the Seed in the early to mid `70's in Ft. Lauderdale. And yet my mother still thinks I deserved every bit of it and should be grateful. To this day, she probably believes that, because I never completed the program, I must now be some kind of junkie. Any evidence to the contrary, well she just dismisses that as clever deception.

So I just don't talk to her. No point. On a good day, she's patronizing. If she ever finds me vulnerable or needy she's downright dangerous to my sanity and liberty.

So my mom got sick. My sister, the nurse who pretty much took charge of her care and advocacy, asked me around that time if I wanted to have anything to do w/ decisions regarding our mom. I told her no, not really, but let me know when you're ready to pick out a nursing home. I wasn't kidding, either.

Florida, where I come from, has some notoriously abusive adult care facilities. Ironically enough, former Straight spokeswoman, Joy Margolis, was (maybe still is) spokeswoman for Lutheran Services of Florida, which generated some buzz and scandal a few years ago for Sr. Abuse.

There are a great many questions concerning The Seed that need to be answered. Both the methods of "obtaining" Seedlings and the method of indoctrination need to be aired so that all can see how close 1984 really is.
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[CaughtInTheMiddle]

I really don't know what you want me to say to you. Not everyone gets along with there parents even if they were not put in a program. This world is messed up in many ways. All we can do is move on. Realize now that we are adults it is up to us to put the past aside and move forward. You have informed a lot of people. I am sure a few listened and went somewhere else instead. So it isn't a total lose on your behave. I didn't have the best family life either. There are a lot of things I could hold against my parents, I choose not to. All I can do is hope for the best and count the days.