Carlbrook

[Deborah]

Please describe Intense Family Therapy.  What if the teen is completely unwilling to engage in this therapy?

Not that I condone this, but if you're going to "force" him into a teen warehouse to be held incommunicado from family and the outside world for up to two years, why not "force" him to attend therapy? Bribe, if necessary.
Yeh, yeh, I know, it's easier to pay someone else to "force" your kid to "grow". That's about as realistic as "forcing" your petunias to grow.

Given that it's usually poor parenting at fault, then you go alone and learn a different, more respectful way of interacting with your child. Makes a world of difference that can be witnessed in a very short time, if you're serious about your own "growth". A good therapist can accomplish in a month what programs claim to accomplish in 1-2 years, and without all the mind games, torture/abuse to gain compliance, and exhorbitant expense.

[exhausted]

That's what i said Deborah, you must be as stupid as me  :lol:

[hanzomon4]

Parent/Child Communication without the power play is what you two described, it worked for me... The best thing is that you gain the child's ear and not just compliance, and no ptsd.

And to the guest picking on my favorite dumdum  ::fuckoff::

j/k you're not dumb just European  

[Anonymous]

I think guest is for sure from carlbrook, and is doing PR damage control.  It sounds like a very bad program.  Older boys in charge of younger, no chances of molestation and abuse there, wilderness camp, sure. like Provo canyon, it's bull, the guy sound like someone over forty reading a script.

[Anonymous]

I think guest is for sure from carlbrook, and is doing PR damage control.  It sounds like a very bad program.  Older boys in charge of younger, no chances of molestation and abuse there, wilderness camp, sure. like Provo canyon, it's bull, the guy sound like someone over forty reading a script.

Actually, before you pass judgment, do your research. At least when I was there, there was NO molestation and abuse. You guys on the board seem to advocate that these children are human beings and should not be dealt with in such atrocious manners and then contradict yourselves when you accuse the older students on molesting the young. People at Carlbrook are passionate about their work, and the older students generally appreciate what Carlbrook has allowed them to experience. The student body is quite liberal and we do have a voice. We are very similar to any other boarding school, except with the additional therapeutic aspect.

If you say I'm brainwashed, I really don't have a response to that. How do I respond? You'll just say I've been brainwashed. Can you really take free will from a human being though?

[sick of child torture girl]

Well, what Ill say is that you are not a "real student" Ill say you are staff or a former student who was raised to the level of staff- which is how all cults work, iniates become administrators...and it works out the same anyway

Saying that kids molest other kids is not inhumane, molesting them is inhumane, dearie

[hanzomon4]

I think guest is for sure from carlbrook, and is doing PR damage control.  It sounds like a very bad program.  Older boys in charge of younger, no chances of molestation and abuse there, wilderness camp, sure. like Provo canyon, it's bull, the guy sound like someone over forty reading a script.

 Can you really take free will from a human being though?

Yes you can - How Thought Reform Works

[Deborah]

That's what i said Deborah, you must be as stupid as me  :lol:

 :wink:  :wstupid:

[Anonymous]

I haven't read any claims that Carlbrook is abusive in any way.

Our son was not sent away as a punishment. The consequences to him were that he lost a year of freedom, a year of athletics, a year of top schooling.    

you know, I am amazed by the doublethink displayed by staff pretending to be parents or more scarily, parents themselves...A consequence is a punishment...do you not get that?

I mean you say

"our sone was not sent away as punishment"

and directly follow it by saying

I ""The consequences to him were that he lost a year of freedom, a year of athletics, a year of top schooling""

You are not only punishing him but in descibing the nature of the punishment/consquence you use the exact language used to describe the sorrow of being sent to prison--the ultimate most horrific punishment imaginable!

...Are these people insane.



No way this guy is for real..has to be staff, you know those folk without educations, with bizzare background woking at cults like the abuser Tim Brace, but in spite of it all are really caring, forgiving, wonderful people

[Anonymous]

A consequence and a punishment are quite different.  I agree that a consequence can certainly feel like a punishment.  Are you opposed to consequences?  I doubt many parents choose to spend huge amounts of money and send their child to a program such as Carlbrook just to punish them.  They do this to try to help them and to protect them from their own behavior.  At this point all therapy, bribing, normal consequences etc have failed.  The teen is in danger.  Yes, it is unpleasant for the teen to be taken away from home, forced to examine his or her behaviors and placed in a situation where therapy and reflection is not optional.  A football player has just received a 1 year suspension from the NFL.  Is this a consequence, a punishment or both?

[exhausted]

The football player will not be mentally and physically scarred for his punishment/consequence, you cannot compare, he also knew the rules and broke them after choosing to take up that profession, a kid does not choose to be an angry teen, it's something they can't help, they also don't choose to be dragged away in the night and sent away from their family ...

Ok so, the parent who pays loads to send their kid away because they want to change girlfriends, careers, sexuality? Is that punishment or consequence (YOU WILL NOT BE GAY! THIS IS YOUR CONSEQUENCE FOR BEING WHO YOU ARE!) this to me is callous, the oarents who send their kids away because they have become what the parents don't want them to be, what happened to live & let live? Letting a kid become his/her own person is the best gift you can give to them

[Antigen]

what happened to live & let live? Letting a kid become his/her own person is the best gift you can give to them

Funny you should pit that particular phrase out of the air. I've been talking to an old friend lately, here's art of his last reply:

So "troubled teen" is the industry's chosen moniker!  (I went to http://www.googlefight.com and saw that "troubled teen" in on almost 1.5 million web pages!).  What a redundant phrase. On googlefight.com, "live and let live" beat out "troubled teen" by 234 million to 1.5 million. These organizations should take note!

[sick of child torture girl]

A consequence and a punishment are quite different.  I agree that a consequence can certainly feel like a punishment.  Are you opposed to consequences?  I doubt many parents choose to spend huge amounts of money and send their child to a program such as Carlbrook just to punish them.  They do this to try to help them and to protect them from their own behavior.  At this point all therapy, bribing, normal consequences etc have failed.  The teen is in danger.  Yes, it is unpleasant for the teen to be taken away from home, forced to examine his or her behaviors and placed in a situation where therapy and reflection is not optional.  A football player has just received a 1 year suspension from the NFL.  Is this a consequence, a punishment or both?

Wow, Im amazed at reading this...

A football player has just received a 1 year suspension from the NFL.  Is this a consequence, a punishment or both?

You are absolutely right, it is both a  "punishment" and a "consequnce" becasue these words are synanoms, as the holocaust is both "terrible" and "horrible"

 I have often said torture-cults damage critical thinking abilities and here is an excellent example of that.
You are trying to argue that consequence is different than punishment .....but you use an example to prove this, which is clearly an example of a punishment

For bad behavior in the feild a football player is PUNISHED by being suspended. PUNISHMENT is used by the football assoc (or what not) to PUNISH the deviant player for his behavior.

What better example of punishment could there be, and yet, you are trying to argue that sending youth to program as a punishment they have earned, or consequense they have earned are different?

Why cant you see that? I'd suspect it has to do with the nature of cults which deliberately use "doublethink" to force people to a alternative reality where things are not what they obviously are.
Antigen you know more about this than I. What is the precise word for that?

I doubt many parents choose to spend huge amounts of money and send their child to a program such as Carlbrook just to punish them.  They do this to try to help them and to protect them from their own behavior.

Yes they do send them solely to punish them.The point of punishment is NEVER solely suffering-which is what you are implying  

To say the parents dont impron kids solely to suffer is meaningless....afterall parents don't SPANK kids SOLEY for the suffering quotient!!!...

They do it change the behavior, hopefully force the youth to internalize the shame and equate it with "the wrongdoing" she's being whipped for, make the youth "respect" the adult, stop the behavior...BUT SPANKING IS PUNISHMENT RIGHT?

Therefore so is program right? Afterall ...its done to us for the same exact supposed reasons.

And I say supposed beacsue those are the professed reason why youth are abducted imprisoned and tortured. The real reason is usually that mom and dad fall somewhere on that rainbow spectrum of insane.

Personally, I feel that parents should have consequences for sending their child to Carlbrook-cult. One lad had his parents put in jail. I think that is a fine consquence. I hope this helps the parent with their entitlement  issues. When the parent gets out 5-10 years later Im sure he will be the mature parent he's always wanted

[Anonymous]

Ok so, the parent who pays loads to send their kid away because they want to change girlfriends, careers, sexuality? Is that punishment or consequence (YOU WILL NOT BE GAY! THIS IS YOUR CONSEQUENCE FOR BEING WHO YOU ARE!) this to me is callous, the oarents who send their kids away because they have become what the parents don't want them to be, what happened to live & let live? Letting a kid become his/her own person is the best gift you can give to them

You are so totally full of shit if you think this is why parents send kids away. Funny how parents are supposed to practice "live & let live" when it comes to their kids, but the kids don't have to practice fuck-all. The kids can be total criminals, stealing everything they can get their hands on, taking all kinds of drugs and then driving their parent's car, refusing to go to school, refusing to get a job, being verbally and physically abusive to their parents or brothers and sisters -- in other words, doing whatever the fuck they want and expecting mom & dad to just take it...and keep paying the tab to support a completely insensitive little shit of an offspring.

Fuck that shit. Some kids get sent away simply because their parents are tired of being terrorized by the little demon they tried to raise to be a decent human being.

[Anonymous]

A consequence and a punishment are quite different.  I agree that a consequence can certainly feel like a punishment.  Are you opposed to consequences?  I doubt many parents choose to spend huge amounts of money and send their child to a program such as Carlbrook just to punish them.  They do this to try to help them and to protect them from their own behavior.  At this point all therapy, bribing, normal consequences etc have failed.  The teen is in danger.  Yes, it is unpleasant for the teen to be taken away from home, forced to examine his or her behaviors and placed in a situation where therapy and reflection is not optional.  A football player has just received a 1 year suspension from the NFL.  Is this a consequence, a punishment or both?

Why do you all sound the same, and use the same grammar and vocabulary.. or is this actually Karen still?