Carlbrook

[Anonymous]

Ok so, the parent who pays loads to send their kid away because they want to change girlfriends, careers, sexuality? Is that punishment or consequence (YOU WILL NOT BE GAY! THIS IS YOUR CONSEQUENCE FOR BEING WHO YOU ARE!) this to me is callous, the oarents who send their kids away because they have become what the parents don't want them to be, what happened to live & let live? Letting a kid become his/her own person is the best gift you can give to them

You are so totally full of shit if you think this is why parents send kids away. Funny how parents are supposed to practice "live & let live" when it comes to their kids, but the kids don't have to practice fuck-all. The kids can be total criminals, stealing everything they can get their hands on, taking all kinds of drugs and then driving their parent's car, refusing to go to school, refusing to get a job, being verbally and physically abusive to their parents or brothers and sisters -- in other words, doing whatever the fuck they want and expecting mom & dad to just take it...and keep paying the tab to support a completely insensitive little shit of an offspring.

Fuck that shit. Some kids get sent away simply because their parents are tired of being terrorized by the little demon they tried to raise to be a decent human being.

 :rofl:
Welcome back, karen.

[TheWho]

Ok so, the parent who pays loads to send their kid away because they want to change girlfriends, careers, sexuality? Is that punishment or consequence (YOU WILL NOT BE GAY! THIS IS YOUR CONSEQUENCE FOR BEING WHO YOU ARE!) this to me is callous, the oarents who send their kids away because they have become what the parents don't want them to be, what happened to live & let live? Letting a kid become his/her own person is the best gift you can give to them

You are so totally full of shit if you think this is why parents send kids away. Funny how parents are supposed to practice "live & let live" when it comes to their kids, but the kids don't have to practice fuck-all. The kids can be total criminals, stealing everything they can get their hands on, taking all kinds of drugs and then driving their parent's car, refusing to go to school, refusing to get a job, being verbally and physically abusive to their parents or brothers and sisters -- in other words, doing whatever the fuck they want and expecting mom & dad to just take it...and keep paying the tab to support a completely insensitive little shit of an offspring.

Fuck that shit. Some kids get sent away simply because their parents are tired of being terrorized by the little demon they tried to raise to be a decent human being.

Ha,Ha,Ha,.. thats funny!

[Anonymous]

Program parents get a kick out of calling their children names and paying others to humiliate them in public. They sit around in parent support meetings and say horrible things. I know because my sibling was sent away and I sat in the back of one of these meetings. These parents are horrible people.

[exhausted]

As a parent who is/was tired of her kids thinking they can do exactly what they like...let me set the record straight.........

No, the answer is not to let them get away with it and do exactly as they please while you sit there & take it, the answer is to find out wtf is wrong in the first place to make the kid want to rebel against you so badly, getting to know yourself and your children is nearly impossibly difficult but it can be done, taking a few steps back to assess the situation from an outside point of view can do wonders, backing off when you're not particuarly pleased with the path your child is going down is likely to make them come to you to seek approval, to find the answers from you! because you are the person they genuinely look up to!
A screaming, hysterical parent is not going to get anywhere with their kids, all that happens is the kid blocks it out *yer yer here we go again, yah yah yah yah, heard it all before, oh look my favourite Tv program is on, I'll chuck in a few nods and uh huh's just to shut this screaming banshee up!*  

They aren't listening, they don't want to be told how much you dissaprove of them, how much you don't like them - they are teenagers, they are meant to grow and develop their own path, as long as they know you are there, that they can trust you to talk without getting a lecture, without the dreaded hysteria, they will come to you, they will discuss with you, debate, argue, but the end result is always the same, you give them the tools to decide which way they are going to go with it and they will use them, all the time with the knowledge that if they decide to take a dodghy path, they will face the consequences, not you, not anyone else, them! It's natural for any person who has had time to talk things out and weigh up the consequence to decide on what society calls the right path, yes, you'll get a few who will go hurling down dodgy street anyways, but those kids are going that way wether the issues are dealt with at home or in some program

Kids are sent away for stupid reasons, that cannot be denied, the programs themselves advertise that they can fix being Gay, ADHD, Depression .....oh please, come on, these are not fixable things, they are who the kid is, nothing will change that.

[Dr Fucktard]

A consequence and a punishment are quite different.  I agree that a consequence can certainly feel like a punishment.  Are you opposed to consequences?  I doubt many parents choose to spend huge amounts of money and send their child to a program such as Carlbrook just to punish them.  They do this to try to help them and to protect them from their own behavior.  At this point all therapy, bribing, normal consequences etc have failed.  The teen is in danger.  Yes, it is unpleasant for the teen to be taken away from home, forced to examine his or her behaviors and placed in a situation where therapy and reflection is not optional.  A football player has just received a 1 year suspension from the NFL.  Is this a consequence, a punishment or both?

Very well said. A night in the gorilla cage can work wonders for a recalcitrant druggie.

[Anonymous]

As a parent who is/was tired of her kids thinking they can do exactly what they like...let me set the record straight.........

No, the answer is not to let them get away with it and do exactly as they please while you sit there & take it, the answer is to find out wtf is wrong in the first place to make the kid want to rebel against you so badly, getting to know yourself and your children is nearly impossibly difficult but it can be done, taking a few steps back to assess the situation from an outside point of view can do wonders, backing off when you're not particuarly pleased with the path your child is going down is likely to make them come to you to seek approval, to find the answers from you! because you are the person they genuinely look up to!
A screaming, hysterical parent is not going to get anywhere with their kids, all that happens is the kid blocks it out *yer yer here we go again, yah yah yah yah, heard it all before, oh look my favourite Tv program is on, I'll chuck in a few nods and uh huh's just to shut this screaming banshee up!*  

They aren't listening, they don't want to be told how much you dissaprove of them, how much you don't like them - they are teenagers, they are meant to grow and develop their own path, as long as they know you are there, that they can trust you to talk without getting a lecture, without the dreaded hysteria, they will come to you, they will discuss with you, debate, argue, but the end result is always the same, you give them the tools to decide which way they are going to go with it and they will use them, all the time with the knowledge that if they decide to take a dodghy path, they will face the consequences, not you, not anyone else, them! It's natural for any person who has had time to talk things out and weigh up the consequence to decide on what society calls the right path, yes, you'll get a few who will go hurling down dodgy street anyways, but those kids are going that way wether the issues are dealt with at home or in some program

Kids are sent away for stupid reasons, that cannot be denied, the programs themselves advertise that they can fix being Gay, ADHD, Depression .....oh please, come on, these are not fixable things, they are who the kid is, nothing will change that.

Brilliant answer luv! Now what do you do when your kid doesn't want or need your approval or to talk to you, and his idea of "grow and develop their own path" means little more than do as many drugs as possible, do as little work as possible, choose "criminal" as an occupation, hurt as many people as possible during your brief stay on this earth, constantly remind everyone that life is pointless and it makes no difference who lives or who dies today or tomorrow?

[Dr Fucktard]

Personally, I feel that parents should have consequences for sending their child to Carlbrook-cult. One lad had his parents put in jail. I think that is a fine consquence. I hope this helps the parent with their entitlement issues. When the parent gets out 5-10 years later Im sure he will be the mature parent he's always wanted

Whenever we've encountered this problem we offered the service to parents of having our private terminators dispatch these ungrateful little bastards. (Hey, they would have died on the streets anyway.) That's just one of the many things that sets SIBS apart from the rest!

Remember, SIBS is the Wave of the Future in Drug Treatment.™

[Anonymous]

Brilliant answer luv! Now what do you do when your kid doesn't want or need your approval or to talk to you, and his idea of "grow and develop their own path" means little more than do as many drugs as possible, do as little work as possible, choose "criminal" as an occupation, hurt as many people as possible during your brief stay on this earth, constantly remind everyone that life is pointless and it makes no difference who lives or who dies today or tomorrow?

You send them to Carlbrook!  :rofl:

[Dr Fucktard]

You are so totally full of shit if you think this is why parents send kids away. Funny how parents are supposed to practice "live & let live" when it comes to their kids, but the kids don't have to practice fuck-all. The kids can be total criminals, stealing everything they can get their hands on, taking all kinds of drugs and then driving their parent's car, refusing to go to school, refusing to get a job, being verbally and physically abusive to their parents or brothers and sisters -- in other words, doing whatever the fuck they want and expecting mom & dad to just take it...and keep paying the tab to support a completely insensitive little shit of an offspring.

Fuck that shit. Some kids get sent away simply because their parents are tired of being terrorized by the little demon they tried to raise to be a decent human being.

Absolutely! ::hehehmm::

I agree 100%!! :tup:

[Anonymous]

Now what do you do when your kid doesn't want or need your approval or to talk to you

Stop referring to them as a demon child for starters.  :roll:

[sick of child torture girl]

Ok so, the parent who pays loads to send their kid away because they want to change girlfriends, careers, sexuality? Is that punishment or consequence (YOU WILL NOT BE GAY! THIS IS YOUR CONSEQUENCE FOR BEING WHO YOU ARE!) this to me is callous, the oarents who send their kids away because they have become what the parents don't want them to be, what happened to live & let live? Letting a kid become his/her own person is the best gift you can give to them

You are so totally full of shit if you think this is why parents send kids away. Funny how parents are supposed to practice "live & let live" when it comes to their kids, but the kids don't have to practice fuck-all. The kids can be total criminals, stealing everything they can get their hands on, taking all kinds of drugs and then driving their parent's car, refusing to go to school, refusing to get a job, being verbally and physically abusive to their parents or brothers and sisters -- in other words, doing whatever the fuck they want and expecting mom & dad to just take it...and keep paying the tab to support a completely insensitive little shit of an offspring.

Fuck that shit. Some kids get sent away simply because their parents are tired of being terrorized by the little demon they tried to raise to be a decent human being.

How would you know why "kids get sent away?"
let me guess, you are staff, nes pa?
You speech falls in line with the hate staff exude..as well as your...hmmm shall we say  "down home" method of self expression

[parents are tired of being terrorized by the little demon they tried to raise to be a decent human being

Wow, just a bit earlier I was reading how caring and sensitive an  environment Carlbrook ...doesnt sound like the most "sensitive" way to talk about a sick child?

Oh ...but its not medical care for sick children is it? Like I said, ITS ABOUT PUNISHING THE BRATS!

Or rather through your use of double-think its caring for children sensitively one moment and PUNISHING BRATS the next. You have two conflicting ideas and throgh your use of double think, and just through being the fantastic moron that you are..you dont even know it!

[sick of child torture girl]

A consequence and a punishment are quite different.  I agree that a consequence can certainly feel like a punishment.  Are you opposed to consequences?  I doubt many parents choose to spend huge amounts of money and send their child to a program such as Carlbrook just to punish them.  They do this to try to help them and to protect them from their own behavior.  At this point all therapy, bribing, normal consequences etc have failed.  The teen is in danger.  Yes, it is unpleasant for the teen to be taken away from home, forced to examine his or her behaviors and placed in a situation where therapy and reflection is not optional.  A football player has just received a 1 year suspension from the NFL.  Is this a consequence, a punishment or both?

Wow, Im amazed at reading this...

A football player has just received a 1 year suspension from the NFL.  Is this a consequence, a punishment or both?

You are absolutely right, it is both a  "punishment" and a "consequnce" becasue these words are synanoms, as the holocaust is both "terrible" and "horrible"

 I have often said torture-cults damage critical thinking abilities and here is an excellent example of that.
You are trying to argue that consequence is different than punishment .....but you use an example to prove this, which is clearly an example of a punishment

For bad behavior in the feild a football player is PUNISHED by being suspended. PUNISHMENT is used by the football assoc (or what not) to PUNISH the deviant player for his behavior.

What better example of punishment could there be, and yet, you are trying to argue that sending youth to program as a punishment they have earned, or consequense they have earned are different?

Why cant you see that? I'd suspect it has to do with the nature of cults which deliberately use "doublethink" to force people to a alternative reality where things are not what they obviously are.
Antigen you know more about this than I. What is the precise word for that?

I doubt many parents choose to spend huge amounts of money and send their child to a program such as Carlbrook just to punish them.  They do this to try to help them and to protect them from their own behavior.

Yes they do send them solely to punish them.The point of punishment is NEVER solely suffering-which is what you are implying  

To say the parents dont impron kids solely to suffer is meaningless....afterall parents don't SPANK kids SOLEY for the suffering quotient!!!...

They do it change the behavior, hopefully force the youth to internalize the shame and equate it with "the wrongdoing" she's being whipped for, make the youth "respect" the adult, stop the behavior...BUT SPANKING IS PUNISHMENT RIGHT?

Therefore so is program right? Afterall ...its done to us for the same exact supposed reasons.

And I say "supposed" beacaue those are the professed reason why youth are abducted imprisoned and tortured. The real reason is usually that mom and dad fall somewhere on that rainbow spectrum of insane.

Personally, I feel that parents should have consequences for sending their child to Carlbrook-cult. One lad had his parents put in jail. I think that is a fine consquence. I hope this helps the parent with their entitlement  issues. When the parent gets out 5-10 years later Im sure he will be the mature parent he's always wanted

you never resonded to me..so id thought id repost it. Also Id like to ask you if you think the consequences for the parents who were sent to prison for putting their kid in Carlbrook were appropriate.

[Anonymous]

No parents were sent to prison for sending their kid to Carlbrook.  Read the post a little more carefully before you distort things.

Exhausted, Carlbrook never claimed to be able to fix "gayness" or "ADHD".  Once again, you have no basis for your ignorant comments.

[Deborah]

You are absolutely right, it is both a  "punishment" and a "consequnce" becasue these words are synanoms, as the holocaust is both "terrible" and "horrible".

Well, not quite.
A 'punishment' is a 'consequence'. A human imposed 'negative' con, designed to extinguish a behavior.
The industry misuses the term. It's softer than punishment, just as 'agreements' is softer than 'rules'. And really does imply that the person deserves the punishment they're receiving.
 
Consequence is the 'effect' part of 'cause and effect', which we learn from on a daily basis provided our brain is not damaged- touch a hot stove and you get burned.
That's an example of 'natural' consequence, vs human imposed consequences.

There's also 'positive' cons. If I plant seed at the right time and ensure the seed has proper nurishment, water, sun; I'm rewarded with flowers and food. If there's no rain and I don't provide water, my flowers and food may perish.

Programs even have 'positive' cons.  :roll:  For instance, provided you keep your mouth shut, don't get out of formation, and admit to faults you don't possess; you are rewarded (positive con) with a white bread and cheese sandwich for lunch and dinner, for months on end..... and avoid the 'negative cons' of being restrained and/or being denied contact with your loved ones.

[sick of child torture girl]

Brilliant answer luv! Now what do you do when your kid doesn't want or need your approval or to talk to you, and his idea of "grow and develop their own path" means little more than do as many drugs as possible, do as little work as possible, choose "criminal" as an occupation, hurt as many people as possible during your brief stay on this earth, constantly remind everyone that life is pointless and it makes no difference who lives or who dies today or tomorrow?

Wow, are you talking about your child or the niggers?
Doesnt matter, either way that hate-filled dehumnizing cariciture comes from the same dark recess of the psyche.

I sugest you join the Klan and get a new emotional target for your disatisfactions, humiliations, and need to feel dominant through scapegoatery who is more your size than your own child.