Carlbrook

[TheWho]

Fuck what the parents has to say. Tell us more about this rebellion.


I'm all about rebellion in program.. More the merrier!

TSW go back to your Maoist forum and delete some more posts you don?t like and quit trying to sidetrack another thread?. You cant delete them here.
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Inquirmind 1 wrote:

?..Maybe all that Carlbrook did was keep him out of trouble for 15 months?.

I think whether it was the work he did at the school, the school itself or just that he was in a safe environment  (or a combination of the 3) you made the right choice at the time and the proof is that he seems to be doing well and is back on track.

?.. My son and I have a good relationship today. Maybe one day he'll come to his senses and hate me for sending him to Carlbrook. I hope not. But, if it is, so be it. I did the best I could. I made the best decision I could.

It seems you have an open mind and love your son so your relationship will continue to grow?.I wouldn?t fear otherwise as long as the two of you can talk about the past together and understand what occurred and why they occurred.

[nimdA]

Definitely all the more reason to Add a Rebellion section to the survival guide.

Point 1: How to incapacitate your counselors.

A) Wait until they are asleep.
B) Acting alone approach them quietly and then duct tape them to their bed.
C) Should they wake up get your buddies in on the act and have them doggy pile the counselor until he is properly secured.


Next:

Points to consider when rebelling:

Always attack. Don't ever sit back in a defensive stance. Your captors want you to hole up in your dorm/Cabin/Wigwam. Get your fellow rebels and move to directly attack the program's offices.

Trash the records room. Go after the computers.. Mainly get to a phone and start calling your parents, newspapers, and anyone who will listen.

Also go after the food in the dining hall. Once you've secured a source off food and water you can hold out longer.

I wouldn't resort to taking hostages. This is a really bad idea, and will more than likely get you a longer jail term than you already have coming. However, it is possible that a good lawyer can get you off if you have adequete proof that the place is an abusive shit pit.

I'll add more later.. Definitely this needs expanding.


Again.. More on the rebellion.

To bad the son never had a real chance to thrive at home with the benifit of community services. Hopefully he won't spend the rest of his life faking it and unlearn his programming enough to find the real person he was told not to be.

To the mom:

Be part of your son's postprogram recovery. Programs are traumatic experiences and you can only hope that he begins to seperate the program crap that has been branded into his psyce from reality. If he gets angry at you don't attempt to argue with him as it will only inflame the situation. Just let the anger run its course. Be accepting to the idea that your son's anger might be justified after having been stripped of his civil liberties and held against his will for 15 months without the benifits of a trial.

I don't think he will hate you ever, but at some point he might express anger about your decision.

[Anonymous]

The first step to any good program rebellion is taking down and securing the STUDENTS who have been promoted to be part of the program, or staffs assistants or whatever the program is called. These are the spies that feed information to the program, without them the staff wouldn't know anything that is going on. They are the true betrayers. They usually get the nerds or the kids sent for no reason other than their parents are dicks, the frightened ones, too weird to make friends with the kids in the program so they befriend staff, and the staff take advantage of this. These relationships should be sabotaged and destroyed before any rebellion will happen. These students will take an active role in stopping any rebellion, in most programs there are always losers who side with the program.

The second enemy is program parents. Program staff are like hired hit man, you can stop them but there is another hundred fuck head idiots waiting in line behind them to 'make a difference in some kids life' or whatever hogwash they believe. The true enemy is not these retarded group of employees, but the people paying them to do the dirty work. Document abuse in detail and keep it to yourself. When you get home, write a website about how your parents abused you by paying others to do it. Humiliate them in front of all their friends and colleagues like they paid to have you humiliated.

Do not kill yourself as revenge to hurt your parents as some poor kids end up doing, this is a waste of your life. If you get to this point, dedicate your life to  something worthwhile and give your life to a cause worth fighting for, that normal people are otherwise afraid to do out of a fear of losing economic and social status, or even their live.

A rebellion at a program, unless its widespread, can back fire. Many kids have tried to start riots and end up staring at a bunch of kids who don't do shit and just watch them get dragged up to isolation. There is a catch 22 to planning it, as you might be discovered.

Better plan is to get a buddy and run. Steal a staff's car if you can, and drive and don't stop for as long as you can and then steal another car and dump that one in a river or something. Stealing a car when you are underage will only get you in so much trouble. If you hit someone over the head to get that car you get in a lot more trouble. Violence is not needed to escape and bring down a program if you use your head.

The question is, do you want to let our your anger and have a rebellion, or regain your freedom while secretly slipping out the back? Apples and oranges, it's all good..

[psy]

The first step to any good program rebellion is taking down and securing the STUDENTS who have been promoted to be part of the program, or staffs assistants or whatever the program is called. These are the spies that feed information to the program, without them the staff wouldn't know anything that is going on. They are the true betrayers. They usually get the nerds or the kids sent for no reason other than their parents are dicks, the frightened ones,

Usually?!?!? Pfft...  I resent that. I was one of those (nerdy kids with no reason for being there) and I started a protest...  I hated staff.

too weird to make friends with the kids in the program so they befriend staff, and the staff take advantage of this. These relationships should be sabotaged and destroyed before any rebellion will happen. These students will take an active role in stopping any rebellion, in most programs there are always losers who side with the program.

The second enemy is program parents. Program staff are like hired hit man, you can stop them but there is another hundred fuck head idiots waiting in line behind them to 'make a difference in some kids life' or whatever hogwash they believe. The true enemy is not these retarded group of employees, but the people paying them to do the dirty work. Document abuse in detail and keep it to yourself. When you get home, write a website about how your parents abused you by paying others to do it. Humiliate them in front of all their friends and colleagues like they paid to have you humiliated.

Do not kill yourself as revenge to hurt your parents as some poor kids end up doing, this is a waste of your life. If you get to this point, dedicate your life to  something worthwhile and give your life to a cause worth fighting for, that normal people are otherwise afraid to do out of a fear of losing economic and social status, or even their live.

A rebellion at a program, unless its widespread, can back fire. Many kids have tried to start riots and end up staring at a bunch of kids who don't do shit and just watch them get dragged up to isolation. There is a catch 22 to planning it, as you might be discovered.

but when it works.. the program falls.

Better plan is to get a buddy and run. Steal a staff's car if you can, and drive and don't stop for as long as you can and then steal another car and dump that one in a river or something. Stealing a car when you are underage will only get you in so much trouble. If you hit someone over the head to get that car you get in a lot more trouble. Violence is not needed to escape and bring down a program if you use your head.

The question is, do you want to let our your anger and have a rebellion, or regain your freedom while secretly slipping out the back? Apples and oranges, it's all good..

[Anonymous]

i have only read some of the postings here but i would just like to say as a former Calrbook student that it was the worst place i have ever been.  I was part of the "rebellion" that happend their about a year ago and was sent to a government run juvinile detention facility where the kids really knew how to fight the staff...clubs shanks ect... i just want to say to all my friends i saw hurt at Carlbrook that i couldn't do more to help them.  

o yea my parents went to jail in part for sending me to carlbrook, they used carlbrook as a tool to keep me from reporting years of abuse so fuck carlbrook and the parents who say that all parents are just trying to do the right thing.  And fuck grant Price he was my bitch and i told him so when i was there.

[nimdA]

i have only read some of the postings here but i would just like to say as a former Calrbook student that it was the worst place i have ever been.  I was part of the "rebellion" that happend their about a year ago and was sent to a government run juvinile detention facility where the kids really knew how to fight the staff...clubs shanks ect... i just want to say to all my friends i saw hurt at Carlbrook that i couldn't do more to help them.  

o yea my parents went to jail in part for sending me to carlbrook, they used carlbrook as a tool to keep me from reporting years of abuse so fuck carlbrook and the parents who say that all parents are just trying to do the right thing.  And fuck grant Price he was my bitch and i told him so when i was there.

Hmm never thought about putting a section in my guide for creating weapons for self defense purposes.

Could you go into specifics as to why Carlbrook sucks?

[Anonymous]

To the parents who are looking at emotional growth programs on this board for their child:

Don't believe anything you read. The only way to confirm your suspicions (or otherwise) is to go to the school and visit. Even then, keep inquiring the staff for more information. There are good programs out there, but you must search and choose wisely. Also, consult professional help. The professionals among the professionals one might say. Unfortunately, there are many doctors out there who simply do not know what their doing. It IS important to trust your gut feelings at times, but also be aware of a personal bias you may have concerning sensitive issues. Third party feedback from an outside source is always a good idea. These programs and the process of sending your kids away IS A LASTING IMPRESSION and will likely stay with them in one influence or another for the rest of their life. This is not a light decision, and parents I cannot emphasize this point enough. I understand that some parents have reached "the end" and are extremely concerned for their children and have no other avenue to pursue. I sympathize with those out there, and once again, recommend professional help. These forums should be used only as a resource, and as such, must be read with criticism and skepticism.

   I would advise against listening to one side of the graduates (or pre-maturely expelled students) at these programs. They are likely to be biased, and must be understood accordingly. Read carefully, but do not base your decision on what they have to say. It is good and well to be concerned about potential abuse and illegal actions your children face there, but also understand that these programs are designed to be fairly last resort options. Medical treatment allows for certain things, and these ARE (or at least supposed to be) trained professionals. Once again, it is wise to learn as much as you can about these programs you will prospectively be sending your children to. The treatment WILL likely be intense, and with a high level of emotional development. Once again, there is probably a high level of risk for a variety of things to happen. Human beings are each wired differently and by sending your children there, you should not be looking for a "fix" for anything. Therapy is designed to do exactly that, promote healthier behavior, but not guarantee anything. In addition, depending on the program, they may also demand a high level of participation from the PARENT as well. Parents, these programs are as much of a commitment on your part as well as your child.

Lastly, to address the flamers, rebellion promoters, and unsatisfied ex-students of these programs. Please address the topic in a respectable manner. You are posting to offer your opinion and concern. The people who read these forums are potentially people in troubled times and are seeking advice. You do not assist in their pursuit by offering inaccurate or severely biased opinions. Let us please be aware of our actions.

Now, I will offer my own personal opinions on this school in particular.

Carlbrook is probably one of the better schools out there. The website will present the program as a college preparatory school. Academics at this school are not lacking and are comparable to other well run schools out there. In addition, they have an excellent college advising program there, and will assist in helping your children not only gain acceptance into college, but potentially some of the best universities out there.
This is an EMOTIONAL GROWTH boarding school with a high degree of therapy. Students have "group therapy" 3 times a week.

Carlbrook requires that your child attends a wilderness assessment program prior to his/her arrival. This may take three weeks or longer (most likely longer).

I recommend you visit, and speak with the staff. The students there are well treated and treated fairly. There are minor inconsistencies at best, and overall most parents find the experience to be a positive one.

The length of stay at Carlbrook is anywhere in between 14-19 months on average. This is a STANDARD stay, and does not include possible extensions.

More information can be obtained that website and contacting people there.

I believe the website is http://http://www.carlbrook.org/[/url]

[Anonymous]

Wilderness is not brat camp.

To my knowledge, Bratcamp is a media driven tv show that is filmed at SEVERAL LOCATIONS. Several of these "locations" are actually legitimate wilderness programs (although you question their legitimacy...). I believe one of these wilderness programs is SAGEWALK. Probably not a good idea to send your kids there guys .

Also, directed to NIHIL. It is great that you're trying to help people out, but you also seem to be extremely biased. I recommend doing some professional research before you continue "helping" these people. Also, you talk about these "seminars" or "workshops" as if their cult activities. Perhaps you should inquire directly into their nature, and if unable to, think about ALL sides of why you can't get your hands on this information. Don't just automatically jump to your own conclusions.

And about that female Carlbrook graduate you tried to AIM. I would suspect that these workshops do fall under the protection of confidentiality. If you are a medical professional, you are probably able to inquire into more detail of such, but I suspect you are not. Trying to get information out of a graduate in such a way seems shady at best. How did you get her contact information? And as you said before, they're probably very confused and if they are brainwashed, probably biased. Obviously, this can be true for a variety of things, not just limited to these programs. Also, once again, this too can be considered a bias, and I would like to point out that you seem to contradict your requests of people keeping an open mind about these programs.

I wonder, can you actually go through these programs. Therapy is tricky business and there are an infinite amount of variables to take into account...

[sick of child torture girl]

yes go to the site written by the school accused of subjecting their students to mind altering physiological torture develouped by cults like synanon and totalitarian regimes like North Korea in return for huge amounts of money by unsuspecting parents. They are sure to give you an honest account.

I suggest you go to HEAL. there you can get testomonies of surivivors given under OATH. If they weren't tellin the truth Carlbrook would sue....In fact they could sue any of the posters on this site.its happened before with a character named overlord who went to HLA i beleive what they found out is that when you sue someone who is telling the truth you get into trouble...so they stopped suin. In fact every word you hear on this place about abusive torture cults is true....I mean what motivation would a child have to lie on an anonomyous internet forum? the acclaim? the fast paced lifestyle? the opprotunity to invent personal very detailed accounts of degradation and personal annhiliation by cults so cruel and sadistic george orwell coulsnt make it up? people really arent that creative you know.

what motivates us is horror, pain, sorrow at seeing other children completely destroyed ,ourselves partially or mostly destroyed and the desire to bring the culprits to justice.

[Anonymous]

yes go to the site written by the school accused of subjecting their students to mind altering physiological torture develouped by cults like synanon and totalitarian regimes like North Korea in return for huge amounts of money by unsuspecting parents. They are sure to give you an honest account.

I suggest you go to HEAL. there you can get testomonies of surivivors given under OATH. If they weren't tellin the truth Carlbrook would sue....In fact they could sue any of the posters on this site.its happened before with a character named overlord who went to HLA i beleive what they found out is that when you sue someone who is telling the truth you get into trouble...so they stopped suin. In fact every word you hear on this place about abusive torture cults is true....I mean what motivation would a child have to lie on an anonomyous internet forum? the acclaim? the fast paced lifestyle? the opprotunity to invent personal very detailed accounts of degradation and personal annhiliation by cults so cruel and sadistic george orwell coulsnt make it up? people really arent that creative you know.

what motivates us is horror, pain, sorrow at seeing other children completely destroyed ,ourselves partially or mostly destroyed and the desire to bring the culprits to justice.

whoa dude...
what are YOU on?

North Korea... Haha I LAUGHED.

[sick of child torture girl]

oh by the way, you dont "get expelled" by these places in the same way you dont "get expelled" by prisons. WE ARE THERE AGAINST OUR WILL. WE RUN AWAY WE ARE CAPTURED AND SENT BACK! Being expelled is obviously not an option. Lord, if only I could have gotten expelled.!!

A little heartwaming story pops to mind of a girl from ELan who ate penicls to try to get lead poisoing, tried drinking cleaning fluids..than finnally stopped eating determined to ,as she said "to leave Elan or Idie". During this time much "therpy"(torture) was administered to force her submition. All the other children were forced to spit on her and she was not allowed to wipe away the flem while they emotionally abused her. I dont know all the therepies (torture)perhaps someone from elan wants to fill in what else happened to her.

 Ultimately she got so thin that she had to be sent to the hospital.Elan wanted her back as soon as she had been force fed back to a safe weight. But her mother rescued her from the hell hole after she foud out what had been going on with her child as Elan  never thought to inform her.... you kow dont want to jepardize that paycheck. So thats as close as you to being "expelled" from these places. Its running away, a parent, or a body bag.

I mean think about it, were there any criteria to get into the place other than considering your child a fuck up? If your only standard is being considered a fuck up, well, its pretty hard to fail at that.

Sometimes they will force a child to leave fthe instituion for wilderness- forced march for breaking purposes before they let the previously whole child back in. But then they just split the tuition with the wildnerness, or both the torture cult and the wilderness forced march are owned by the same operation. Remeber its about $$ so its really not leaving anyways

[psy]

yes go to the site written by the school accused of subjecting their students to mind altering physiological torture develouped by cults like synanon and totalitarian regimes like North Korea in return for huge amounts of money by unsuspecting parents. They are sure to give you an honest account.

I suggest you go to HEAL. there you can get testomonies of surivivors given under OATH. If they weren't tellin the truth Carlbrook would sue....In fact they could sue any of the posters on this site.its happened before with a character named overlord who went to HLA i beleive what they found out is that when you sue someone who is telling the truth you get into trouble...so they stopped suin. In fact every word you hear on this place about abusive torture cults is true....I mean what motivation would a child have to lie on an anonomyous internet forum? the acclaim? the fast paced lifestyle? the opprotunity to invent personal very detailed accounts of degradation and personal annhiliation by cults so cruel and sadistic george orwell coulsnt make it up? people really arent that creative you know.

what motivates us is horror, pain, sorrow at seeing other children completely destroyed ,ourselves partially or mostly destroyed and the desire to bring the culprits to justice.

whoa dude...
what are YOU on?

North Korea... Haha I LAUGHED.

Go research the Korean war and the POW camps... the techniques they used, who studied them...

[Anonymous]

i have only read some of the postings here but i would just like to say as a former Calrbook student that it was the worst place i have ever been.  I was part of the "rebellion" that happend their about a year ago and was sent to a government run juvinile detention facility where the kids really knew how to fight the staff...clubs shanks ect... i just want to say to all my friends i saw hurt at Carlbrook that i couldn't do more to help them.  

o yea my parents went to jail in part for sending me to carlbrook, they used carlbrook as a tool to keep me from reporting years of abuse so fuck carlbrook and the parents who say that all parents are just trying to do the right thing.  And fuck grant Price he was my bitch and i told him so when i was there.

sounds like a wonderful place.  :roll:

[Anonymous]

Overlordd never set foot on HLA premises.  
There was no rebellion at Carlbrook.

[Anonymous]

i have only read some of the postings here but i would just like to say as a former Calrbook student that it was the worst place i have ever been.  I was part of the "rebellion" that happend their about a year ago and was sent to a government run juvinile detention facility where the kids really knew how to fight the staff...clubs shanks ect... i just want to say to all my friends i saw hurt at Carlbrook that i couldn't do more to help them.  

o yea my parents went to jail in part for sending me to carlbrook, they used carlbrook as a tool to keep me from reporting years of abuse so fuck carlbrook and the parents who say that all parents are just trying to do the right thing.  And fuck grant Price he was my bitch and i told him so when i was there.

I am glad to hear your parents were sent to jail. All program parents should be sent to jail for what they do to their kids. Many program kids I've met talk about abuse at home, and the parents wanting to use programs to get rid of them or cover it up. Shame on all program parents.