Taken from Teen Rescue website. (Fucked UP SHIT)

[Anonymous]

moderator, please remove highest level of quote

[Antigen]

Ok, is that about right? This is getting really confusing. Why not register a login name. No need to give any legit info. if you don't want to. But if you have a login, you can edit and correct your own posts.

The orientation of the public school in and of itself disenfranchises the poor.  It suggests that only the student can be held responsible for failure; the institution, because of its position and strength in society, is unassailable.
--Rodger Hurley

[Antigen]

Well, just a couple of thoughts. First, I hope you understand why it's so difficult to get information out of these places. Think about it. They strictly limit and monitor all communications. So the kids can't tell anybody when something really messed up happens. And, under these circumstances, something messed up is bound to happen more often than out in the real world simply because these kids are made extremely vulnerable. If he tells you or his parents or anyone anything negative about the school or staff or anything that happens, they'll just say he's lying and punish him for it.

W/ those limits on communication, it's very nearly impossible to prove anything. So people are extremely hesitant to make any kind of statement because they may get sued. See if you can get some info from local authorities about the schools legal life. Have they been sued? Have they filed a lot of suits for trademark infringement or libel? Are there complaints w/ CPS? What about the people who run the place? What are their histories? Just use Google and see if and in what context their names come up. Ask around town wherever the place is located and see what the locals have to say about it.

I don't think you're at all arrogant to be thinking ahead about how you'll raise your kids in future. That's just the sensible thing to do.

The only logical mistake I think you're making is in failing to recognize that, after a certain point, you can't (not should not, but can not) control a human being, even if they used to be your obedient, dependant little kid. By sending the kid off to reform school (and everything else you describe), they're saying "Do as I say because, if you don't, we'll hurt you... now, run along to your classes and don't be a bully!"

Doesn't make much sense. Instead, why not talk about whether or not he's right about school or anything else. Fact is, he's got a pretty good point about union work, too. It's not QUITE that simple; you have to get past the journeyman hazing phase. And it is a bureaucracy, just like school, popularity contest and stupid rules and all. But once you've got some seniority, you really can loaf and get paid for it. I just can't imagine aspiring to being a loafer. That's a really sad outlook.

When I talk about making a logical argument for doing well in school, I mean concrete benefits for the effort. If the kid just wants to join the union, then all he needs is a GED. Can you show me how that's not correct?

He who laughs lasts
--Crazy Mac

[Anonymous]

On 2005-07-23 10:21:00, Antigen wrote:

"Well, just a couple of thoughts. First, I hope you understand why it's so difficult to get information out of these places. Think about it. They strictly limit and monitor all communications. So the kids can't tell anybody when something really messed up happens. And, under these circumstances, something messed up is bound to happen more often than out in the real world simply because these kids are made extremely vulnerable. If he tells you or his parents or anyone anything negative about the school or staff or anything that happens, they'll just say he's lying and punish him for it.

I've been thinking about this.  we speak a kinda rare language and im probably as good at manipulating as he and the school put together, so i'm thinking of getting some sort of code going to tell him "take on extra classes and get caught up, and ill convice your parents to get you out of there ASAP.

i could talk to him about going w/ the program for three minutes then throw in a "its like grandpa always said "fai o teu travalho, actualiza os teus cursos, e eu falare cos teus pais pra que te deixan sair mais cedo"  which translates to "make up your back classes ASAP and ill convince your folks to take you out early.

The only logical mistake I think you're making is in failing to recognize that, after a certain point, you can't (not should not, but can not) control a human being, even if they used to be your obedient, dependant little kid. By sending the kid off to reform school (and everything else you describe), they're saying "Do as I say because, if you don't, we'll hurt you... now, run along to your classes and don't be a bully!"

i agree.  my role had just been to say:  Frank, you either gotta start getting good grades, stop disrespecting your folks, or stop smoking pot (there i go being a hypocrite) or they will send your ass away where you cant even talk to your gf.  The fact remains if he had done any of those things he would still be home, but the fricken kid was to spoiled to consider it.

of course, his parents didnt raise him right to that point, its not really entirely his fault, we all recognize that...

It's not QUITE that simple; you have to get past the journeyman hazing phase. And it is a bureaucracy, just like school, popularity contest and stupid rules and all. But once you've got some seniority, you really can loaf and get paid for it. I just can't imagine aspiring to being a loafer. That's a really sad outlook.

thats exactly my problem.  i tell him:  you could be an electrical engineer if you aspired to actualize your potential just a tiny bit.  besides, i dont know anything about unions, but i assume its possible to be kicked out of one, and that is exactly what will happen to him...  one of his favorite things to brag about is how lazy he is.  but thats just really his way of saying "i run from responsibility of any kind"

When I talk about making a logical argument for doing well in school, I mean concrete benefits for the effort. If the kid just wants to join the union, then all he needs is a GED. Can you show me how that's not correct?

i told his parents at one point to get him his GED.  i figured once he was out of school with nothing to look foreward to in his future but learning some trade, he would decide pretty quick to go to community college.

i'll be honest, he's my blood, and i love him, but seeing what he does to my family, i cant help but feel kinda vindicated!  "I warned your ass!"  i know thats wrong.

anyway, i heard some kid committed suicide at the school, but according to published reports the school did everything in their power to prevent it.

anyway, ive always felt that what doesnt kill you makes you stronger...

i know you cant make a kid an obedient robot passed a certain age, but i think his parents feel like "we were always so lenient, and now we are asking for this one thing".  of course, the leniency, the low expectations, and the early autonomy are probably a source of this problem