DONT SCHOOLS HAVE TO ASK PARENTS PERMISSION BEFORE THEY.....

[Anonymous]

On 2005-07-22 13:13:00, P.E.N.1 wrote:

"If my 5 minute phone call a week can effect my son more than the programing of 24/7 than I say they should let me talk to him more to encourage him, I dont discourage him in my 5 minutes, I tell him I love him and tell him about the house we are going to buy, and how big his brother is getting. Come on five "F"in minutes is rediculious when I was in prison I talked to him and communicated more. This is a child who all he has ever wanted is to spend more time with me, we used to talk on the phone for hours at a time, and it wasnt about negative things, it was what he wanted to be when he grew up  ect. That post sounded just like The Family School talking to me!!!! :exclaim: "

Wait a minute, back up. I thought you didn't have the money for a good lawyer, or a plane ticket across the country? But you have the money for a new house? And you are buying a house in California when the kid who needs you most is in New York?

Your posts no longer convince me that you care about your child.

[P.E.N.1]

Wait A minute!!! When did I say that I didnt have money for a lawyer??? I said Ive spent 16 grand already in one month in legal fees, and when I got a 2 week notice of the parent seminar, in which I could visit my son for 45 minutes, I jumped on it!  And when I heard about a picnic that they were having I jumped on that too, but one small problem, I couldnt see my son because they had put him in a corner. What the hell does buying a house have to do with my son being locked up at The family school anyway? Even if I bought a house right down the damn street from the school I would still have the same contact I do now. But you know you gave me a real good idea, next time I talk to my son Im going to ask him if he wants us to move out there until he is done there, Thank you for the great Idea!!!!!! :idea:

[Anonymous]

good for you Peni!  Any mother willing to move her whole life across the country for her son is a good mom in my book!  I don't know you, but you come across as a very concerned parent who really loves and misses her son. I want to know what "in the corner" means.  How long can they keep a child in the corner?  Is he literally in a corner?  Or is it a solitary confinement room?  What other restrictions does a child in the corner have?  Do they get regular meals?  Do they get to sleep in a bed?  Go to school?  What type of behavior merits being put in the corner?

[Antigen]

Waygookin, there's another side to this. If the program is abusive--especially if it's psychological abuse--then there is nothing more demoralizing than to have your own parents support it.

Legalizing drugs is far from a panacea for all the distress caused by drugs, but it will eliminate most of the profit and corruption from the drug trade.

--Nobel laureate, Gary S. Becker

[P.E.N.1]

I seee it both ways, I cannot legally get my son out of there, I tried it, presented pictures of the crapy trailer my son shares with 15 other kids, presented my sons report card, along with teachers comments before he was ripped out of school and sent to NY. My son had a 3.2 grade average. Allthough not perfect he was doing well in school. Glowing comments from teachers stateing my sons attitutde, expert witness even on the stand testafying on my sons behalf, hell his own dad who sent him there said Our son was never disrespectful, and was a terrific kid! He even testafied that he had no knowledge of his grades, and that he did also hit my son with belts often. I dont know if the judge was just up there doing a crossword puzzle or what the hell!Anyway, he stated he made findings that it was the right placement for my son. Which means I cannot take it to appeals court, due to the wording of the judgement. End of story.

NOw my son KNOWS that there is no way I suport a brainwashing facility such as the one he is in, he knows exactly why, as i do, that he was rushed off to NY and I was served emergency hearing papers.So , even though I dont want to make it worse for him , by him thinking that maybe I can do something to get him out, I will never say that he belongs there to him. (like the school wanted me to fax a letter stateing)I can only tell him to work out, run a track if they have one, try to stay out of the corner so we can get our 5 min, plus one letter a month, and tell him that I know things are hard right now, but before he kbnows it he will be home soon. I also tell him not to let anyone break his spirit, thats something he knows people cannot take away, its what heros are made of.It may be easier if I just pretend like I back the school up. then my son knows he has no choice, but I cant lie to him, nor would he truly believe me if I said that anyway. Yes words definitly do come back and haunt you, this is my hard lesson to be learned. My harsh words are what got his dad all pissed off at me in the first place and my son sent off. If I could only take back what I said to him that day I would, if I would have only known.. It "F"in sucks, but I cannot go back and erase what was said, now my son and I have to suffer the consequences.Thank you for replying, I have no one to talk to really, so thanks for getting me through another morning anyway, I just pray that my son finds some relief at least once  a day where he feels that inner peace. IM sure that everyday at 15 so far away from all you know is a living hell.

[Antigen]

Pen, don't assume that your son has any control whatsoever over staying out of the corner (whatever that may mean) or anything else that happens. They probably don't want you talking to him and may very well trump up punishments to 1) prevent your communicating w/ him and 2) try to incite a little resentment in you.

I don't know if there's a way to get him out early or not. But, if he winds up there for the whole stay, just try to understand why he may say some things and behave in ways that are hard to understand. You can sort it all out later.

Bureaucracy defends the status quo long past the time when the quo has lost its status
--Laurence J. Peter

[Anonymous]

exactly how long till the kid turns 18?

[Anonymous]

I would suggest getting in touch with Dee Alpert in NY I posted her info earlier in this thread, if their is abuse or they are living in horrific conditions like you say something can be done, persistance pays off.  I am still unclear as to why you have no rights to your son, did his Dad get custody of him?

[Anonymous]

Instead of asking people here who have no idea about FFS, why don't you talk to other parents who have kids at FFS now or who have kids that have graduated. If you go to the parent seminar, you'll see for yourself and also learn how to contact other parents on a daily basis.

I can tell you now if you go with the pre-concieved ideas and attitudes you are posting here (which by the way the whole world including your ex and staff may see) don't expect the welcome mat to be rolled out for you.

If your son is in the corner right now, you can be sure he knows exactly what he did to put himself there and exactly what he needs to do to leave the corner. When he's ready, he'll get himself out.

[Anonymous]

On 2005-07-22 21:45:00, P.E.N.1 wrote:

"Wait A minute!!! When did I say that I didnt have money for a lawyer??? I said Ive spent 16 grand already in one month in legal fees, and when I got a 2 week notice of the parent seminar, in which I could visit my son for 45 minutes, I jumped on it!  And when I heard about a picnic that they were having I jumped on that too, but one small problem, I couldnt see my son because they had put him in a corner. What the hell does buying a house have to do with my son being locked up at The family school anyway? Even if I bought a house right down the damn street from the school I would still have the same contact I do now. But you know you gave me a real good idea, next time I talk to my son Im going to ask him if he wants us to move out there until he is done there, Thank you for the great Idea!!!!!! :idea: "

I see your earlier post, I was mistaken regarding some of the facts. You stated that you spent 16,000 on legal fees and that there was no way to appeal your case. You stated that you would move across the country and picket the place but you had a second family to take care of. Ah well, life goes on. Sorry, I read between the lines. You abandoned your first child a while ago, spent some time in prison because you did some very illegal things, your ex got custody, of course, and you hitched up with a new family. How far did you live from your kid before he got sent to NY?

If you have money, why not move to NY? Perhaps you and your new family could all picket the place together. Perhaps you could take the case before New York courts. You would be right there, and perhaps you could appeal to the police there to uphold your visitation rights.

By the way, if you have money to buy a new house, you have money to get some substantial legal advice from people qualified to give it.

[Anonymous]

He's only 15?  The poor boy.  I had just turned 15 when I was sent away, and two years seems like forever when you're a kid caught in the system.  He sounds like a capable kid if he was getting 3.2 GPA.  Maybe if he really booked it on his school studies, he could try to graduate early?  If he got all his required units to graduate, there would really be no reason to keep him there until eighteen.  He would be better off in work or college, and any judge should agree with that.