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« on: July 21, 2005, 05:28:00 AM »
http://www.teenrescue.com/html/parentinfo.htm
If your child finds out about your research and runs:
Continue with the search and find a good program to place them in. It does no good to find them if you do not have a place to go. They will only take off again. After finding a good program, go find your child, or hire someone to locate them and transport them to the program.

Things to be prepared for:

Threats of running away.
Threats of suicide or self-destruction.
Statements like, "I will hate you forever", "I will never speak to you again", "if you loved me you wouldn't do this to me", "I will sue you", "I'm going to get an attorney", "I will just live on the streets", or "I will live with my relative".
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« Reply #1 on: July 21, 2005, 05:29:00 AM »
It is very true.
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« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2005, 05:43:00 AM »
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On 2005-07-21 02:28:00, Anonymous wrote:

"http://www.teenrescue.com/html/parentinfo.htm

If your child finds out about your research and runs:

Continue with the search and find a good program to place them in. It does no good to find them if you do not have a place to go. They will only take off again. After finding a good program, go find your child, or hire someone to locate them and transport them to the program.



Things to be prepared for:



Threats of running away.

Threats of suicide or self-destruction.

Statements like, "I will hate you forever", "I will never speak to you again", "if you loved me you wouldn't do this to me", "I will sue you", "I'm going to get an attorney", "I will just live on the streets", or "I will live with my relative".

"


That is so sick... when will these people realize that having their kids kidnapped, incarcerated without due process, abused and mindfucked is not "rescuing" or "helping" them, it's KILLING them?

I feel sorry for the children whose parents read this sort of crap.
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« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2005, 03:20:00 PM »
We just need to find ways of reaching the kids on the internet so that they know that if they run, they'd better stay gone.

There are also pretty good books out there on how to avoid being found by investigators---private or not.

I'm not advocating that anyone run away.  I'm saying that if you do run, you can't afford to be caught.

The steps are pretty obvious when you think about them:

1) Change your name.  Do not use a relative's name.  Do not use a name that keeps your initials--people tend to do that, so investigators look for that.

2) Practice, a lot, thinking of your new name as your name, so you answer to it without thinking about it.

3) Go to a big city multiple states away from your home.  Staying in the same city is asking to be found, because most kids do stay in the same town and keep contact with their friends or move in with friends.  Pick a big city where you have no relatives and no friends.  There will be nothing to draw investigators to that city over any other.  If you check out cities on the web, do it at your local library on their computers.  If you do it on your computers at home, or a friend's or relative's computer, an investigator can find traces you leave in the system.  Pick a city and state with an 18 year old age of majority where it's really hard to involuntarily commit somebody  If your parents are conservative, pick a liberal city.  If your parents are liberal, pick a conservative city, and choose to fit in--hostility of the locals to your parents' kind of people will work in your favor.  The bigger the city, the better.

4) If you have credit cards, bank cards, etc. do not use them.  Exception is if you have a bank card, you can draw out money once from an ATM near your house right before you run.  Don't use a credit card to buy a bus ticket unless it's a ticket in a random direction to a random city you *aren't* going to.  A good one to pick for a fake out is a city where you have relatives that disapprove of your parents or that you're close to.

5) Do not take your cell phone.  It can pinpoint your location.  Do not take a cell phone from a friend or relative--the investigator *will* find out about it no matter how much your friend or relative loves you.  Even if they don't talk.

6) Change your appearance once before you get on the bus, and once after.  A wig or non-permanent change for before the bus, permanent changes for after.  For the bus trip, pick a totally different stereotype clique from your school to look like and dress like.  Don't look up, keep your eyes and your head down.  Cameras are up.  Dress like a stereotype and the stereotype will be all people see.  After the bus: change your hairstyle and color completely; alter any existing tattoos beyond recognition with temporary tatoos; clean-cut but poor is the safest stereotypical group to pick after the bus--you can have your own style after you're 18 and safe.

7) Pay cash for everything.  Once you're in your new city, you can buy a disposable phone.  Tell anyone who asks that you're 18 even if they look skeptical.

:cool: Spend time in the public libraries keeping up with your school subjects.  It's not a place investigators will look for you, and you really will need that knowledge once you're 18 and can pick up the pieces of your life.

9) Get jobs doing the same day labor the illegal aliens get.  Get in real good with the illegal aliens--get them to teach you Spanish.

10) Always answer a question in as few words as possible.  It makes people think you're polite and non-boring while telling them as little about yourself as possible.

11) Avoid drugs and alcohol.  They lower your inhibitions and you might confide in somebody.  Don't talk about your past, don't talk about yourself.  Get good at getting other people talking about themselves and changing the subject.

12) Do not make up elaborate histories for yourself.  Do make up a prior life, but keep it simple.  An alcoholic mom and an abusive live-in boyfriend of mom and grim silence about how he was abusive, "I just can't talk about it." is always believable.  

13) If you only tell your "story" if it's practically dragged from you, and you stick to it, it's probably safe to use soup kitchens and homeless shelters.

14) Safe to go home?  Probably not.  Do not contact anyone you used to know, at all, until after your 18th birthday.  You can explain to the people you really care about afterwards--if they really love you, they'll understand.

15) Don't trust the nice, sympathetic people who try to get you to open up or call home.  They're well meaning, but naive.  They, like most people, have no idea of the horrors of these facilities.  Their regrets won't undo what gets done to *you*.

16) If any of these well-meaning idiots gets insistent, leave town for a different city, but pick one by the same standards you used picking the first one.  You may be able to just move across town if the city is big enough.

17) If you're not in enough danger to be willing to do all this to get it right, don't run in the first place.
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« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2005, 11:32:00 PM »
Everyone knows those downsides.  I don't think I made it sound fun or easy.  Which was my point.  I realistically listed what was involved in doing it as safely as possible.

And you miss the degenerate pedophiles and the pimps (possibly/probably) if you use the soup kitchens, the homeless shelters, and seek out the jobs the illegal aliens take.  It depends on how streetwise you are.

But would you rather get molested on the street with your freedom, or get molested in a private prison with third world standards for how they treat the inmates?

It's a desperate choice, and if your situation isn't that desperate, you shouldn't run in the first place.

That's the whole point.

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« Reply #5 on: July 22, 2005, 08:31:00 AM »
I would have preferred to work as a hooker, rather than been at PCS.  Even on the streets.  I have daydreamed about it.  I would have made some contacts, and soon worked for an escort service.  Anyway, "working girls", get treated with more respect and have it better than kids in programs.  Trust me.
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« Reply #6 on: July 22, 2005, 01:57:00 PM »
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On 2005-07-21 02:43:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2005-07-21 02:28:00, Anonymous wrote:


"http://www.teenrescue.com/html/parentinfo.htm


If your child finds out about your research and runs:


Continue with the search and find a good program to place them in. It does no good to find them if you do not have a place to go. They will only take off again. After finding a good program, go find your child, or hire someone to locate them and transport them to the program.





Things to be prepared for:





Threats of running away.


Threats of suicide or self-destruction.


Statements like, "I will hate you forever", "I will never speak to you again", "if you loved me you wouldn't do this to me", "I will sue you", "I'm going to get an attorney", "I will just live on the streets", or "I will live with my relative".


"




That is so sick... when will these people realize that having their kids kidnapped, incarcerated without due process, abused and mindfucked is not "rescuing" or "helping" them, it's KILLING them?



I feel sorry for the children whose parents read this sort of crap."


so some out of control kid that the parents cant raise, they should be left to raise themselves, rigt?

its not like you can physically make a 16 year old do what you want these days, thats abuse.
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« Reply #7 on: July 22, 2005, 02:00:00 PM »
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On 2005-07-22 10:57:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2005-07-21 02:43:00, Anonymous wrote:


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On 2005-07-21 02:28:00, Anonymous wrote:



"http://www.teenrescue.com/html/parentinfo.htm



If your child finds out about your research and runs:



Continue with the search and find a good program to place them in. It does no good to find them if you do not have a place to go. They will only take off again. After finding a good program, go find your child, or hire someone to locate them and transport them to the program.







Things to be prepared for:







Threats of running away.



Threats of suicide or self-destruction.



Statements like, "I will hate you forever", "I will never speak to you again", "if you loved me you wouldn't do this to me", "I will sue you", "I'm going to get an attorney", "I will just live on the streets", or "I will live with my relative".



"







That is so sick... when will these people realize that having their kids kidnapped, incarcerated without due process, abused and mindfucked is not "rescuing" or "helping" them, it's KILLING them?





I feel sorry for the children whose parents read this sort of crap."




so some out of control kid that the parents cant raise, they should be left to raise themselves, rigt?



its not like you can physically make a 16 year old do what you want these days, thats abuse."


I don't believe that there is a child out there that can't be "raised". If these people had a little more common sense, creativity, and courage, they would have found a way to work things out. Instead, they choose to just give up and pay someone else to do their parenting for them.
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« Reply #8 on: July 22, 2005, 02:07:00 PM »
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I don't believe that there is a child out there that can't be "raised". If these people had a little more common sense, creativity, and courage, they would have found a way to work things out. Instead, they choose to just give up and pay someone else to do their parenting for them. "


what your missing is that this is a last resort for a lot of parents.  at 14 they figured out something is wrong (kid's doing drugs or failing out of school) WHOOPS

They try to address it for two years and at 16 the kid is worse than before and bigger.  No YOU the single mom cant physically stop him or her from doing whateverthefuck they want.

So you tell me, how can this child be raised?
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« Reply #9 on: July 22, 2005, 02:23:00 PM »
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I don't believe that there is a child out there that can't be "raised". If these people had a little more common sense, creativity, and courage, they would have found a way to work things out. Instead, they choose to just give up and pay someone else to do their parenting for them. "




what your missing is that this is a last resort for a lot of parents.  at 14 they figured out something is wrong (kid's doing drugs or failing out of school) WHOOPS



They try to address it for two years and at 16 the kid is worse than before and bigger.  No YOU the single mom cant physically stop him or her from doing whateverthefuck they want.



So you tell me, how can this child be raised?"


You say that these places are used as a "last resort". That is not true. Most parents who send their kids to programs haven't really done much to try and help their kids. They tried one or two options, then got lazy, gave up, and decided to dump the problem on someone else.

One thing I noticed, is that after a parent removes his/her child from a program, the parents become resourceful and creative and find new ways to help their child. Because they no longer take the easy way out (dumping the kid in some program), they have to rely on themselves and BE A PARENT.

Are you asking what I would do if my child was doing drugs? I'd sit him/her down for a long, good talk, explain the risks involved, and set a few ground rules: no drugs on school nights, while driving, or while working. No drugs unless you're around people you trust. No mixing of drugs and alcohol. No drugs when you're depressed/anxious/upset, etc. (I would explain my policy on this in further detail, but that would make this too long a post).

See, when kids get treated with respect, they pay back by respecting their parents. When kids are treated as if they're dangerous, irresponsible brats, they will act the part. You're the parent-- it's your choice. What kind of atmosphere do you want in your home? Do you want to make this crisis into a power struggle between you and your child? Or do you want to keep them safe, respect them and have them respect you, and reach some sort of middle ground?

I think the biggest problem is that most parents don't realize that you can never completely control another human being. Sometimes, you just need to let go, take a step back, and let your child learn from their mistakes. Make sure they know they can talk to you. Make them realize that you will respect them, listen to them, and help as much as you can. They are growing up. You can't polcie them around liek you did when they were 3. Get used to it.
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« Reply #10 on: July 22, 2005, 02:46:00 PM »
im all for treating kids with respect and giving them responsibilities.

i'm all for understanding kids will be kids, and i know there is a difference between a kid who smokes a joint or has a beer with his friends and one who has a drug problem.

i was not asking what you would do if you caught your kid doing drugs but im pleased to hear its a lot like what i would do with mine if i had one and he/she were doing the things we discussed.

i agree that sending your kid away as anything other than a last reort is wrong, you should try parenting first.

having said all that:  the latest research shows that when a kid's with "drug hobbies" that seem innocent, under the right circumstances (depending on friends and their current moral constitution), become all about the conter cultrue image and as a result they stop maturing emotionally all together.

my relative in boarding school was 16.5 when he went in.  his parents never punished him or anything like that, where always very respectful of his wants, provided him with everything, told him they loved him every day, did everything possible to support his few positive hobbies.

the year before being sent away this kid with a 130 IQ is failing five classes, and his parents cant even get him to pass a drug test.  since he refused to pass pot tests they decided not to let him out of the house till he does (how unreasonable) the kid knows he can drink a gallon of water and pass one within three days, so essentially for failing five classes and failing 10 straight drug tests his parents gave him a three day punishment.  an average kid passes a drug test and takes his punsihment.  my relative decides he is a man and can run his own life, so he runs away from home, and continues to smoke pot whever he wants.  of course he comes back after at most 12 hours when he gets hungry and dirty.  im only a few years older than him and i tried to intervene:

"Frank, you can get good grades if you apply yourself.  Do it, lay low, pass a couple of pot tests, by the time you are 17, your parents will be so happy youre getting As they will let you go wherever you want and wont dream of drug testing you because they will see you dont have a problem with drugs by your actions"

his reponses included such gems of maturity as:  "no one has given me a good reason to stop smoking pot or get good grades" (sorry frank. didnt realize that your parents crying everynight wasnt a good enough reason)

and:  "i dont want to go to college, im gonna go to colleges and hang out with the students and party."

i didnt want him to go to boarding school but i didnt tell him his parents were looking into it.  he made it clear that he was gonna keep rebelling until his parents "got over it" like they did with his schooling.  the kid had set the bar so low his parents were talking about vacational schools for a kid who shcould be a mechanical engineer

to the parents credit they realized that nothing they coukd do short of physically beating the kid would allow them to control what he did.

meanwhile im talking to the kid like we're peers and thinking on the inside "its like talking to a 12 year old in a 16 year olds body"  were only a few years apart and i smoked as much pot as he did, got caught a few times, took my punishment and succeeded at life.  the disconnect between me and him was amazing.

if a parent cant raise their son, be it because the have tried everything, because they are single and powerless, or because they are just plain crappy parents they have a RESPONSIBILITY to send him to someone who can.  Their life, their child's life, and society will almost always be better off for it.

i know terrible things happen at these schools, but you just cant paint all of them with one brush stroke
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« Reply #11 on: July 22, 2005, 02:57:00 PM »
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"im all for treating kids with respect and giving them responsibilities.



i'm all for understanding kids will be kids, and i know there is a difference between a kid who smokes a joint or has a beer with his friends and one who has a drug problem.



i was not asking what you would do if you caught your kid doing drugs but im pleased to hear its a lot like what i would do with mine if i had one and he/she were doing the things we discussed.



i agree that sending your kid away as anything other than a last reort is wrong, you should try parenting first.



having said all that:  the latest research shows that when a kid's with "drug hobbies" that seem innocent, under the right circumstances (depending on friends and their current moral constitution), become all about the conter cultrue image and as a result they stop maturing emotionally all together.



my relative in boarding school was 16.5 when he went in.  his parents never punished him or anything like that, where always very respectful of his wants, provided him with everything, told him they loved him every day, did everything possible to support his few positive hobbies.



the year before being sent away this kid with a 130 IQ is failing five classes, and his parents cant even get him to pass a drug test.  since he refused to pass pot tests they decided not to let him out of the house till he does (how unreasonable) the kid knows he can drink a gallon of water and pass one within three days, so essentially for failing five classes and failing 10 straight drug tests his parents gave him a three day punishment.  an average kid passes a drug test and takes his punsihment.  my relative decides he is a man and can run his own life, so he runs away from home, and continues to smoke pot whever he wants.  of course he comes back after at most 12 hours when he gets hungry and dirty.  im only a few years older than him and i tried to intervene:



"Frank, you can get good grades if you apply yourself.  Do it, lay low, pass a couple of pot tests, by the time you are 17, your parents will be so happy youre getting As they will let you go wherever you want and wont dream of drug testing you because they will see you dont have a problem with drugs by your actions"



his reponses included such gems of maturity as:  "no one has given me a good reason to stop smoking pot or get good grades" (sorry frank. didnt realize that your parents crying everynight wasnt a good enough reason)



and:  "i dont want to go to college, im gonna go to colleges and hang out with the students and party."



i didnt want him to go to boarding school but i didnt tell him his parents were looking into it.  he made it clear that he was gonna keep rebelling until his parents "got over it" like they did with his schooling.  the kid had set the bar so low his parents were talking about vacational schools for a kid who shcould be a mechanical engineer



to the parents credit they realized that nothing they coukd do short of physically beating the kid would allow them to control what he did.



meanwhile im talking to the kid like we're peers and thinking on the inside "its like talking to a 12 year old in a 16 year olds body"  were only a few years apart and i smoked as much pot as he did, got caught a few times, took my punishment and succeeded at life.  the disconnect between me and him was amazing.



if a parent cant raise their son, be it because the have tried everything, because they are single and powerless, or because they are just plain crappy parents they have a RESPONSIBILITY to send him to someone who can.  Their life, their child's life, and society will almost always be better off for it.



i know terrible things happen at these schools, but you just cant paint all of them with one brush stroke

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I agree with you that parents have a responsibility towards their children. But by sending them away, they don't exhibit responsible behavior. On the contrary. They *escape* their responsibilities by dumping the kid in a program.

You mentioned some research about kids and "counter-culture image"-- could you provide a link?

As for Frank: I can understand why he think his parents are just going to give up and let him do whatever-- they did that once already, with his schooling. They already proved that they are unable to stand by their own word and draw the lines. Now, instead of working harder to prove to Frank that he's going to have to comply with some basic household rules (as well as getting Frank a therapist to find out why he feels the need to rebel so much, and a family therapist for the whole family), they give up yet again, and dump the problem on someone else.

They are only making things worse. Frank will probably learn to comply with the rules at his boarding school eventually. But he won't leanr how to get along with and respect his parents, because he won't have that much interaction with them anymore. He won't have to live with them and get along with them and try to work something out. He won't be able to see the consequences of his actions, because he will be so far removed from his natural environment.
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« Reply #12 on: July 22, 2005, 03:15:00 PM »
As for Frank: I can understand why he think his parents are just going to give up and let him do whatever-- they did that once already, with his schooling. They already proved that they are unable to stand by their own word and draw the lines. Now, instead of working harder to prove to Frank that he's going to have to comply with some basic household rules (as well as getting Frank a therapist to find out why he feels the need to rebel so much, and a family therapist for the whole family), they give up yet again, and dump the problem on someone else.

theyve tried therapists.  they tried rehab (not a great idea) and they tried enforcing the limits at home, and the kid simply would not play ball.

he was so good at manipulation he employed classical conditioning without even knowing what it was.  as soon as his parents said or did anything that imposed a limit he would simply do or say something to emotionally or physically hurt them withing 15 seconds.  the only way they could have succeeded in changing the child would be to move him away from the people who have the real influence on the kid:  his dirtag peers and thats not fair to them.

i disagree they are making things worse by sending him away.  while hes gone theyre gonna learn some parenting skills.  the kid is gonna work hard to get phone time at the school (which he has to earn for the first time ever) so that he can use his parents to rescue him.  

He will be IN his new natural enviornment which is A LOT more like real life than what he's used to.  when you screw up in real life, life comes down on you.  when you screw up at home, your parents try to come down on you but they cant really control you.  its one thing when a 16 year old bucks the system mommy and daddy yell at him and tell him he cant go out.

when an 18 year old does it, he gets thrown in jail, and thats real.
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« Reply #13 on: July 22, 2005, 03:28:00 PM »
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"As for Frank: I can understand why he think his parents are just going to give up and let him do whatever-- they did that once already, with his schooling. They already proved that they are unable to stand by their own word and draw the lines. Now, instead of working harder to prove to Frank that he's going to have to comply with some basic household rules (as well as getting Frank a therapist to find out why he feels the need to rebel so much, and a family therapist for the whole family), they give up yet again, and dump the problem on someone else.



theyve tried therapists.  they tried rehab (not a great idea) and they tried enforcing the limits at home, and the kid simply would not play ball.



he was so good at manipulation he employed classical conditioning without even knowing what it was.  as soon as his parents said or did anything that imposed a limit he would simply do or say something to emotionally or physically hurt them withing 15 seconds.  the only way they could have succeeded in changing the child would be to move him away from the people who have the real influence on the kid:  his dirtag peers and thats not fair to them.



i disagree they are making things worse by sending him away.  while hes gone theyre gonna learn some parenting skills.  the kid is gonna work hard to get phone time at the school (which he has to earn for the first time ever) so that he can use his parents to rescue him.  



He will be IN his new natural enviornment which is A LOT more like real life than what he's used to.  when you screw up in real life, life comes down on you.  when you screw up at home, your parents try to come down on you but they cant really control you.  its one thing when a 16 year old bucks the system mommy and daddy yell at him and tell him he cant go out.



when an 18 year old does it, he gets thrown in jail, and thats real."


How is a kiddie gulag "just like" real life?

In real life, you have free communication with your family, without having to "earn" it (a ridiculous concept-- communication with your parents is a RIGHT, no a priviledge).

In real life, you don't have to "earn" your privacy. In real life, you are not watched at all times. In real life, you don't have to participate in confrontational, humiliating group sessions, EST-style seminars, etc.

Programs are nothing like real life. They do not contribute anything. On teh contrary-- they only serve to circumvent a child's ability to learn from experience and to improve his/her own coping methods and general management.

Sometimes, the best thing you can do is back off, and let the kid see where his actions get him. In these boarding schools, kids are often forced to do time in solitary confinement, write long "self-correction" essays, etc. In real life, you get the natural consequence of your actions. The program teach nothing but how to avoid punishment.
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« Reply #14 on: July 22, 2005, 03:37:00 PM »
let me continue:  the only thing that would fix this problem is a time machine that can take us back to when the kid was 10 (a year before his personality changed and he became stoner loser rebel frankie at 11; im not exagerating, those are the things he finds cool)

at THAT time his parents needed to see the signs of a kid that was a bit too apathetic about following rules and school, and really shrink his world till he started acting right.

as to the link i will find it and paste it here, but let me clarify one thing.  the research showed that people with drug addiction tend to stop emotionally maturing and they call it a "developmental gap".  knowing what little i do about neuroscinece i know that this has something to do with the frontal lobe, but i know it cant be physical damage being caused or me and some of my more mature stoner friends would have been a lot mroe screwed up than we were, and we would still be unable immature

i took the next step on my own and said it must be some cognitive barriers that the kids are setting up against their own emotional development.  

taking me and my firends vs. frank and his friends at the same ages, the difference seemed pretty clear.  we waited till 14 to start smoking (a lot older than 11) and by that time had a bunch of non-counter culture values ingrained in our heads.  for instance, we wanted to get at least decent grades to leave college as a possibility.

we felt GUILTY not empowered when we were caught, like we disgraced our families and ourselves.  we then stopped doing drugs and made sure to get decent grades at least for the next semester to prove to our parents that we were ok because, even though we thought and still think pot is harmless, we knew we were scaring our folks, and that mattered to us.  we still went out and broke things, caused a scene whenever and wherever, disrespected authority, smoked in the boys room, but we had 14 year old vaules which unlike 11 year old values include concern for other people.

lets face it what is a preteen but someone only capable of thinking about themselves.  from the age my cousin starting hanging with his friends his life became all about bucking the system to make his new identity:  stoner frankie.  with that attitude and at that age with those friends is it any surprise frankie decided traditional cultural values are not suitable for him.  im not saying ites because of the pot, the pot is a symptom of his behavioral problems, but the people that it draws him too are not helping.

in my school i was considered a rebel for being a stoner at 14, and like almost everyone who starts smoking weed young i loved being a pothead, but with that i loved showing that a pothead did not necessarily need to be an idiot, and so did my boys and girls.  thats the differenece.
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