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Re: Many Many Programs Abuse Kids
« Reply #255 on: October 08, 2010, 12:54:34 PM »
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Inspecting and tearing up letters was in the counselors' job description.  Most of the time they just didn't bother to more than glance at them.  No idea what it was like in the rest of the facility.  I did see letters being torn up but you had to go out of your way to get noticed by them.  I strongly suspect they could not read.

Also I watched them abuse kids on a daily basis - occasionally leaving marks.  Never did much to me but it's pretty fucked up hearing the yelps of boys being punched in the testes or having blocks of ice thrown at their groins or being power kicked in the gut or sliced up with a lunchtray shank.  Really, I wish I were making it up.

That sounds terrible.  Why wont you give us the name of the program?


You sure didn't seem to be demanding which program Max claimed to have saved his life.  I could be wrong so please correct me if I am, I didn't take the time to look but I don't remember you asking that of Max when we all were.  Why the sudden interest?

I just think it is unfair to others to trash the threads here.  There are plenty of threads already started for that.

This letter interests me because Thomasc indicated that it is NATSAP certified and that they openly use corporal punishment and beatings, yet freely let these kids write letters home.  Just wondering which program this is.



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Re: Many Many Programs Abuse Kids
« Reply #256 on: October 08, 2010, 12:59:12 PM »
It's one used by your goons over at STICC probably.  Now here's a "STICCy result" that Whooter can't get free from:

Whooter has told on himself.

Quote from: "TheWho"
Quote from: "TheWho"
Quote from: "A friend of Max"

when people are angry at other people, they can make things up. max was angry at his dad for sending him to a school that robbed him of his youth and closure with his mother. It is equally as likely that he was directing his anger towards his dad and making things up, as it is that his dad was actually involved in his mother's death.

Does anyone know how long Max was away from HLA for his mothers funeral?  Was he forced to go?

3 Days maybe 4 I dont remember.  A family member an aunt I think picked him up and went back with him.  He wasnt forced to go, he was glad to get a break from that place.

Well, here's the conclusive proof that TheWho is either John Reuben or the most shameless liar of all time on Fornits, or both.  

Please explain to us, Whooter, how you are privy to the family information.  We're all ears.

Here's more of WHooter's detailed, unpublished information regarding Mike Reuben:

Quote from: "TheWho"
Prior to ASR  the father had Mike seen by a specialist in the field of addiction and he was referred to a Counselor who worked one on one with him.  As his grades continued to slip and his relationship with drugs became stronger he was recommended to ASR by The Director of Pediatrics at Children’s Hospital in Boston.
ASR was able to arrest his behavior, teach him to cope with himself and the problems that life will and has thrown at him and set him on a healthy path.  He graduated ASR, attended and graduated from college and continued his interest in Music and a made himself successful in a career in Sales.  He continued to struggle throughout his life with his addiction until it finally took his life.
As we all know addiction isn’t something that is cured but is a lifetime challenge and each person attempts to hold it at bay the best he can.  The road can be long and arduous and in many instances the road is short as it was for Mike.
Please be respectful of this boys life and struggles and don’t twist his story to make him a tool for your agenda.

How would Whooter know all of this unpublished information?

Hmmmm.....  Getting more interesting as we go...

Funny.  I think most people know and have used the word "junkie" before.  I had never seen it spelled "junky" (when referring to a "junkie") before until today.

Quote from: "TheWho"
If you tie a junky to his bed for a couple of days to get him past the physical addiction is it considered cruel? If he comes thru it and says “Thank you man you saved my life, I owe you big time, my friend” is that worth it to both of you? Should you go to jail for restraining someone? Kidnapping? Torture?

That word appears nowhere else on this forum except that post.  But, it does appear elsewhere on the 'net...

Quote from: "John Reuben"
Live Music Junky

...on John Reuben's MySpace page.

Also from John Reuben's MySpace page (from 2007, before Mike died, but after his wife, Lena, died):
Quote from: "John Reuben"
John's Blurbs
About me:
I am 48, father of two older boys, runner, and live music lover. My tastes range mostly from blues to classic rock, to alternative. Recent shows: Everclear Peter Yorn Chicago Steely Dan Widespread Panic Eric Clapton Allman Brothers Sarah Borges Entrain Jeff Pitchell I see about 30-40 shows a year.  
Who I'd like to meet:
Hoping to meet someone I can share some time with and in particular, see sdome music with this summer.  

"Who" else on Fornits is a "Live Music Junky" that always talks about how many shows he sees?

I also noticed that he didn't say he is a "widower," he says he is "divorced."  Pretty creepy considering that other posters here who went to HLA with Max said that Max "blamed his father for his mother's death."

Quote from: "John Reuben"
Children: I don't want kids

Yeah, no shit.  I think we knew that already.

Quote from: "John Reuben"
Hometown: Philadelphia

"Who" else on Fornits is from Philly...?

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I spent so much time sleeping in the streets around the spectrum in Philadelphia waiting for the ticket offices to open up that the homeless and I started to recognize and nod to each other. Ticket-tron was just getting started and they were only given a limited number of tickets to sell, so the only guarantee was the ticket office. Besides many other things I was a concert junkie.

Quote from: "TheWho"
I wont tell you my year of birth. But the concert was in the winter 1973, December I think, and it was at the Spectrum in Philadelphia. It was the Quadrophenia tour.

Quote from: "John Reuben statement"
He does it "to get something positive out of this tragedy and let people know this happens in fortunate and unfortunate families, in Malden, Somerville, Sudbury and Los Angeles," he said.

Malden, eh?  I wonder "Who" else has posted from Malden here on Fornits...?

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    24.41.10.XXX  UNITED STATES   MASSACHUSETTS   MALDEN   42.4305-71.0574   02148 -05:00
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Then we have Whooter posting from IP address (thanks for giving Psy permission to post these IP's Whooter.  It has been a big help to me!) 24.41.82.XXX.

And where does our handy little IP Locator put this IP address?  "Swampscott, MA."

Who might Whooter know in Swampscott, I wonder...?

Catherine Reuben!

Just "coincidences" I suppose...?

Whooter, or John, whichever you prefer, you are the biggest fucking phony liar I have ever had the displeasure to become acquainted with.

Boy, I guess that MCSE and research PhD did come in handy after all...

It has been fun, douche, but the game is over.  You've been outed for all eternity
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Re: Many Many Programs Abuse Kids
« Reply #257 on: October 08, 2010, 01:00:11 PM »
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Re: Many Many Programs Abuse Kids
« Reply #258 on: October 08, 2010, 01:07:12 PM »
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Thomas please, give us the name of this program.

Why weren't you guys demanding this of Max when he was bragging about how his program "saved his life"?  

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This is horrible, are you sure you are not confusing this experience with one that a friend explained to you while he was in Juvie or maybe it was a little bit later in your life and you are explaining a experience a friend had while in prison.


Why on Earth would you suggest that?


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Thomas we just need you to come forward and be able to accurately tell us the name of the program or If you were confused at the time of this posting, we can clear that up too. Think you could do this for us, son.

Son?  You are such a prick.
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Re: Many Many Programs Abuse Kids
« Reply #259 on: October 08, 2010, 01:47:17 PM »
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Re: Many Many Programs Abuse Kids
« Reply #260 on: October 08, 2010, 02:07:18 PM »
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Anne, it would help a great deal if you could take your emotional reactions to the "offa" forum. Thanks.
Max id not here any more, lets move on.

 :twofinger:   Although I'm not sure if Max's id was ever here or not.  Interesting that you don't want to address the issue of why you weren't demanding that Max reveal where he went, but you are of Thomas.....and trying to belittle him in the process.  Typical staff response.

Quote from: "DannyB II"
Thomas we just need you to come forward and be able to accurately tell us the name of the program or If you were confused at the time of this posting, we can clear that up too. Think you could do this for us, son.

Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
Son?  You are such a prick.

Quote from: "DannyB II"
Please, move your emotional responses to the "offa" forum. Thanks.

You're telling me that after calling him "son", again trying to belittle someone?  Pot, meet kettle. :twofinger:
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Re: Many Many Programs Abuse Kids
« Reply #261 on: October 08, 2010, 02:11:34 PM »
Danny is exhibiting many of the same tactics that staff use in abusive programs to hurt inmates they dont like. Parents please take note. Someone like Danny will have complete authority over your child once you place them in a program. Do you really want that?
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Re: Many Many Programs Abuse Kids
« Reply #262 on: October 08, 2010, 02:20:01 PM »
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Re: Many Many Programs Abuse Kids
« Reply #263 on: October 08, 2010, 02:24:54 PM »
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Thomas please, give us the name of this program.

Why weren't you guys demanding this of Max when he was bragging about how his program "saved his life"?  

Anne, it would help a great deal if you could take your emotional reactions to the "offa" forum. Thanks.
Max id not here any more, lets move on.


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This is horrible, are you sure you are not confusing this experience with one that a friend explained to you while he was in Juvie or maybe it was a little bit later in your life and you are explaining a experience a friend had while in prison.


Why on Earth would you suggest that?

Why don't we let Thomas explain, OK.


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Thomas we just need you to come forward and be able to accurately tell us the name of the program or If you were confused at the time of this posting, we can clear that up too. Think you could do this for us, son.

Son?  You are such a prick.

Please, move your emotional responses to the "offa" forum. Thanks.
 



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Danny is exhibiting many of the same tactics that staff use in abusive programs to hurt inmates they dont like. Parents please take note. Someone like Danny will have complete authority over your child once you place them in a program. Do you really want that?

 :cheers:  :notworthy:  :tup:  :tup:
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Re: Many Many Programs Abuse Kids
« Reply #264 on: October 08, 2010, 02:31:17 PM »


Whooter has been exposed.  He runs a referral business that caters to abusive programs like Aspen Education Group.
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« Reply #265 on: October 08, 2010, 05:48:11 PM »
I was wrong about NATSAP.  They had Northwest Association of Accredited Schools accreditation.

I mentioned earlier in the thread it was Spring Creek, a WWASPS school which has since closed.  While students in my "family" were sometimes attacked as punishment it seems most of the time it was just for amusement or no reason at all.   They just had very little respect for our bodies.  Sometimes it was done jokingly, others they could actually draw blood or really hit someone in the groin hard.  They liked to make us line up on sheets of ice and shove us from behind too.  Just reckless, stupid shit.  I can't know if this is how it was in other cabins but it demonstrates that it could go on and the school would just deny it and keep the staff in the same position.  Kids in other families told me they had seen their own counselors hitting/restraining/choking kids basically just in anger.  It was just a weird fucking place where those kinds of things happened and people just looked the other way.  You were stuck until you completed the program regardless of what they did. It doesn't sound so bad compared to a lot of accounts I have read since but it still never should have happened.  This is in addition to attack therapy and LGAT seminars, which informed people agree are psychologically abusive.
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Re: Many Many Programs Abuse Kids
« Reply #266 on: October 08, 2010, 05:55:30 PM »
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I was wrong about NATSAP.  They had Northwest Association of Accredited Schools accreditation.

I mentioned earlier in the thread it was Spring Creek, a WWASPS school which has since closed.

WWASPS is one of the worst of the worst.

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 While students in my "family" were sometimes attacked as punishment it seems most of the time it was just for amusement or no reason at all.   They just had very little respect for our bodies.  Sometimes it was done jokingly, others they could actually draw blood or really hit someone in the groin hard.  They liked to make us line up on sheets of ice and shove us from behind too.  Just reckless, stupid shit.  I can't know if this is how it was in other cabins but it demonstrates that it could go on and the school would just deny it and keep the staff in the same position.  Kids in other families told me they had seen their own counselors hitting/restraining/choking kids basically just in anger.  It was just a weird fucking place where those kinds of things happened and people just looked the other way.  You were stuck until you completed the program regardless of what they did. It doesn't sound so bad compared to a lot of accounts I have read since but it still never should have happened.  This is in addition to attack therapy and LGAT seminars, which informed people agree are psychologically abusive.

No, it shouldn't have happened but unfortunately it's part and parcel of the 'positive peer culture' and LGATs.  It creates that environment.  One thing that helped me was to understand how all the shit could have happened.  I couldn't understand how we could do that to each other.  Researching thought reform really helped me a lot  http://www.ex-cult.org/.  And the Stanford Prison Study explains quite a bit about "staff".  Some just enjoyed the power more than others.

http://www.prisonexp.org/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_experiment
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Re: Many Many Programs Abuse Kids
« Reply #267 on: October 08, 2010, 06:07:10 PM »
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No, it shouldn't have happened but unfortunately it's part and parcel of the 'positive peer culture' and LGATs.  It creates that environment.  One thing that helped me was to understand how all the shit could have happened.  I couldn't understand how we could do that to each other.  Researching thought reform really helped me a lot  http://www.ex-cult.org/.  And the Stanford Prison Study explains quite a bit about "staff".  Some just enjoyed the power more than others.

http://www.prisonexp.org/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_experiment

I had enough knowledge of these things going into the program to understand the dynamic there.  Understanding doesn't make it any easier.  I could tell pretty soon into my stay that Spring Creek was a mental prison as well as a physical one.  By the time you're 15 you understand how evil can be rewarded.  I had read Holes in elementary school and had probably seen The Prisoner by then too. "OK, so it's going to be like that." I think knowing what I was in for was what frightened/motivated me so much not to give in.
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Re: Many Many Programs Abuse Kids
« Reply #268 on: October 08, 2010, 06:10:24 PM »
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No, it shouldn't have happened but unfortunately it's part and parcel of the 'positive peer culture' and LGATs.  It creates that environment.  One thing that helped me was to understand how all the shit could have happened.  I couldn't understand how we could do that to each other.  Researching thought reform really helped me a lot  http://www.ex-cult.org/.  And the Stanford Prison Study explains quite a bit about "staff".  Some just enjoyed the power more than others.

http://www.prisonexp.org/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_experiment

I had enough knowledge of these things going into the program to understand the dynamic there.  Understanding doesn't make it any easier.  I could tell pretty soon into my stay that Spring Creek was a mental prison as well as a physical one.  By the time you're 15 you understand how evil can be rewarded.  I had read Holes in elementary school and had probably seen The Prisoner by then too. "OK, so it's going to be like that." I think knowing what I was in for was what frightened/motivated me so much not to give in.


You were way farther ahead of things than I was, but then again, I was in over 20 years ago.  It's amazing how even so long after, they're still doing the same shit to kids.  

I wish you peace.  :peace:
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Re: Many Many Programs Abuse Kids
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