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Now that art is Dead.... Is there anybody out there who still cares abut where the records went? About how they were used or mis-used?
Where did the money come from, and where did it go? Stuff like that.
I have a contact at F.D.L.E. who is mildly to moderately interested. ( to wit, he's verified  much of what I told him, and is interested in the  great amount of 'funny money ' associated with the seed.  Pls post here or PM me, although I'm very lax about checking messages, so forgive tardiness a priori, por favor)
J.O.M.

You are starting to tick me off. some.
Here's why. and i'll ask  patience and  thought.
Texas police report that over 300 yemeniis have crossed the border.To Date they have no idea where they are.
The yemeniis have begun, and are prosecuting a maill bomb campaign.supid and mismanagengent to dtae, there is nothing to say they can't improve on tactic.
Example one An aircraft in qutar had a bomb removed. 17 minutes until detetonation, the device
e was concealed in the toner cartirge of copy machines. an explosive deice in tone cartrige produces a choking poisin for which their is no cure.
Islam is not a race, neither is it a religion its a pervavsive social, political, jurisprucial system based on violence
Long time back, Rabbi Hillel determined that we an Individual relationship to God. Christ proved that yet again. Yet among muslims.  there is nno individual relationship to god, it is a social one.; Ie; if one follows the social dictates of islam. paradise is a given. And there are only two routes to paradise. One is to kill in the cause of allah, the other is to be the mother of one who kills in allahs cause.
Hope I've adequatelyy stated my case, or at least founded a good arguement.J.O.M. ::unhappy::

Dear Anne.
Please , please, pretty please, learn you up and fast about Islam. Educate yourself, and quickly. Learn what the Quran says, and when and why, learn about the hadith, about the sira. Learn about what muhammad said, and when he said it, and what he did, and when he did it. It's illustrative. Learn, and quickly, or there's a new world coming, and you won't like it.
A) There is no such thing as an 'Islamic Cultural Center' There is either War or Submission. Yer choice! Get yer Quran, read all about it.
B)If That's confusing, read john keegan, the culture of war. see how they have done, see how they do, see how they will do.
C) There are no 'moderate' muslims. There are only 'Good muslims' or 'Bad muslims'. Good muslims will follow the dictate of their religion, will lie to you, enslave you, impoverish you, torture you, kill you. Bad muslims will live next to you, have a beer with you, go fishing, lie to your wife about where you were, show up unannounced at your barbecue, ask you for excuses to avoid mosque, borrow power tools, avoid their wife to go to a chinese restaraunt with you if you will get them into a strip bar afterward.
 That's how it goes.
There is no such thing as " Islamophobia", just as there is no such thing as "Naziphobia" or Ku Klux Klan o phobia"
J.O.M. ::unhappy::

Stack... Thanks for the effort. No, That's not Really a photo of me.(but it looks really ,really, Like Me!) And, i have to admit, the behavior is consistent. That's how i usually respond in social situations, you know, job interviews, first dates, business meetings, when the cops surround my house, you know , stuff like that. Thanks for the recognition. J.O.M.
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Some time back i worked with  man we called 'Big George' 6'5, fighting 200, well, you can guess the rest. George was off-scale intelligent, honorable , honest, and unfailingly right. This did not endear him to management. It did endear him to me and others. One day George was facing 4 seperate charges, three of which carried hard federal time. I was Georges Boss. Big Tara was an unusual woman. She was huge, and had a squeaky voice. First time i worked with her, thought I'd kill her. Worked with her a few days and discovered she was pretty smart, pretty tough, pretty perceptive. Didn't ask nothin' didn;t take nothin. Hell of a broad.
Well, when george was facing his trial, Big tara came to me, hands literally writhing and said they'd tried to take statements from her against george, that they'd kept twisting her words.She was in agony.I told her that there was'nt  nothin she could do, just lay low and play dumb.
I told management that they'd bury the charges or i'd testify.They did.
I have never been kissed before or since by a woman that large or that forcefully.If you knew her, you'd know how honorable she is, what a disgrace to lie against her.She got burned on harassment charges two years later. This Story Ring Any Bells?
J.O.M.

Re reading some of these posts, it occurred to me that an ongoing and fundamental problem in the "drug war" and drug treatment industry is the problem of 'false dilemma' Since "evil cannot be quantified" is it better to commit the lesser or the greater one.
Better to 'save some junkies by imprisoning thousands, better to destroy the few to save the many. False problem, the lesser of two evils.
Better not to commit evil, seek a third choice.
( I'm well aware that in fog of war, choice is not so clear, so being a simple man, my suggestion is simply to shoot the annoying sons 'a bitches, leave the rest alone, and go have a beer.) But then, I' a simple man, a humble son of the soil, a dreamer, oft given to poesy, and gentle musing. Oh, wait, i think i hear a butterfly! ponder the problem, it's important!
J.O.M.  ::unhappy::

I write this for several reasons, but mostly I'm prompted to because of the ongoing, puerile exchange between 'program' and 'not program'.
In all societies, indeed for society to form at all, there is hierarchy. Hierarchy is no more than the search for order, so necessary because life does not thrive in chaos.
A significant difference between 'program' and 'not program' is an in-ability to accept natural hierarchy.ie;
program people seem to uniformly believe themselves superior by virtue of program or dogma participation, and for no other reason. (this is a by -and-large judgement,by no means definitive) not program seem to recognize that natural hierarchies exist, and are the norm, ie; that some people are better at some things and others at other things. having had some experience at command, in different venue, different mission, I've noticed that  it's best to allow people to 'sort themselves out' Some men are riflemen, some medics, some miners, some theives. Very few saints in the bunch.
Given a group of men to command, I found that they were themselves the best judge of mission parameters, mission requirement. My job was simply to maintain objective and command and control. If I let 'em and helped 'em, they'd get 'er done. Program people seem not to have this view. They seem idealogy driven and not reality driven. They seem driven by process and not by result.
I think of B.F. Skinner's "Beyond Freedom and Dignity", the difference between a 'pack' ethos and a 'hive' ethos.
As, for me, I'm a redneck and thus a 'pack' animal, and as it's not necessary for me to change, I won't.
J.O.M.