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Offline DannyB II

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Re: Calling it a disease is a cop out
« Reply #45 on: September 02, 2010, 07:43:18 PM »
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Because it seems some folks from Straight have a hard time with honesty.

You think they're liars because it threatens what you've deemed as your savior. Anytime anyone says anything negative about AA, you freak the fuck out.  You have no idea about what has happened to people in Straight, have no idea how or why they ended up in Straight in the first place (usually you state that there MUST have been some good reason our parents put us there, without having any knowledge whatsoever about it) You don't really know if they actually attended AA meetings, have no idea how many meetings they've been to so you justify your viewpoint as that they're all just lying.  Same thing as the program survivors who say bad things about the TTI.....they're just "disgruntled druggies".


Anne, I know you are a liar because you are, that story you made up on Monday sealed your fate. Maybe I should clarify lying, in most respects you are not lying about your experiences with your polluted form of AA, that you practiced in Straight. You are just confused, you seem to think this was AA, well I am sorry to tell ya, it was not.
AA is out there in society, Anne.
I will not call you folks liars anymore, sorry. I now know you are just confused.
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Re: Calling it a disease is a cop out
« Reply #47 on: September 03, 2010, 01:41:36 AM »
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Treatment centers and Anonymous programs call it a disease... Insurance companies pay benefits so people can learn the dogmatic 12 steps. Please discuss.  :seg:

It's pretty well known, that for some reason alcoholism and drug addiction seem to follow family lines. I think this lends credit to the disease theory, and really if you develop an addiction issue isn't it kind of likely you might have an issue later on. Like people who have bad gambling addictions, can read a book and be cured, and then go gamble only on the weekends and all will be fine? That's just not how it works in real life,and denying that addiction, in any of its self destructive forms, is not real is to deny reality. Maybe you haven't been around people who destroy their lives and watch everything they ever worked for crumble around them because of an addiction to drugs, or even gambling, or whatever. I think when you know something is bad for you, and you continue to do it anyways despite that knowledge it's probably an addiction. Tobacco is a common addiction that costs many lives, is that more like a common cold, something you can get over quickly and then smoke occasionally? Or is it more like a disease, where you want to avoid tobacco smoke altogether forever? I've seen too much evidence of addiction to dismiss it and claim that people are choosing to destroy themselves, so I am going to have to respectfully disagree with this. On a side not, if AA was as ineffective as people here claim, then why would insurance pay for rehab involving it? Surely they don't want the insured returning to rehab again, and again? That would cost them lots of money and they work hard to prevent that. Perhaps they know something we don't?
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Re: Calling it a disease is a cop out
« Reply #48 on: September 03, 2010, 01:51:50 AM »
It's interesting you bring up tobacco. Millions of americans choose to quit that every day.  They don't need meetings or dogma to do it.  They don't call the action a disease either.  Smoking can cause disease, sure, but it's a behavior and not a disease in itself.  People can quit behavior or bad habits.  They can't quit diseases.

Maybe you've seen too much evidence of people doing self destructive things over and over simply because they like it.  To them, short term benefits outweigh the long term consequences.  It's a choice...  Often exacerbated by depression, mental disorder, or low self worth, but it's still a choice.  Some people like to blame their choices on things like "diseases" to make themselves feel better or absolve themselves of responsibility and guilt but it doesn't change the objective reality of the situation.
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Re: Calling it a disease is a cop out
« Reply #49 on: September 03, 2010, 10:35:13 AM »
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Anne, I know you are a liar because you are, that story you made up on Monday sealed your fate. Maybe I should clarify lying, in most respects you are not lying about your experiences with your polluted form of AA, that you practiced in Straight. You are just confused, you seem to think this was AA, well I am sorry to tell ya, it was not.
AA is out there in society, Anne.
I will not call you folks liars anymore, sorry. I now know you are just confused.

I'm not confused DannyBoi and I'm not lying about the person who was told to stop their meds.  I know it makes you feel better to believe that because it's contrary to what you've been led to believe, but it's true and it happens all the time.
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Re: Calling it a disease is a cop out
« Reply #50 on: September 03, 2010, 10:45:16 AM »
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I'm not confused DannyBoi and I'm not lying about the person who was told to stop their meds.   I know it makes you feel better to believe that because it's contrary to what you've been led to believe, but it's true and it happens all the time.


If you need first hand proof.. Call your sponsor and tell him your therapist put you on Prozak and Xanax...  :seg:
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Re: Calling it a disease is a cop out
« Reply #51 on: September 03, 2010, 11:13:52 AM »
Still playing "feed the troll Danny" game
Every time you respond to this nutcase
He gets a stiffy
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Re: Calling it a disease is a cop out
« Reply #52 on: September 03, 2010, 11:14:33 AM »
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Still playing "feed the troll Danny" game
Every time you respond to this nutcase
He gets a stiffy

Oh Art.....go call your sponsor and cry about it.
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Re: Calling it a disease is a cop out
« Reply #53 on: September 03, 2010, 12:36:37 PM »
Oh Anne
that was rich
Another day wasting time till your hubby gets home ? I bet he would be very impressed with all your nasty words of wisdom you seem to have for everyone,in any situation
The only thing I will agree with Danny on,is you are perhaps the sickest individual on this board period
I wont darken your little spat with anyone who will banter with you again
You are far too sick...and I think you like it that way
Cuz its all I have ever seen you post
..................Nasty little brat
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Re: Calling it a disease is a cop out
« Reply #54 on: September 03, 2010, 12:42:16 PM »
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Oh Anne
that was rich
Another day wasting time till your hubby gets home ?

Well, actually I'm at work while he's getting the boat ready for the weekend trip.


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Nasty little brat

Don't be so hard on yourself Art.  Your nastiness comes from your time at Elan.  Another thing you should probably discuss with your sponsor.
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Re: Calling it a disease is a cop out
« Reply #55 on: September 03, 2010, 12:57:56 PM »
Calling it a disease and blaming actions on the disease is like saying " The Devil Made Me Do It " It only serves to ease the guilty conscious of the "Cult Like" group member.... Sounds too much like justification to me... People are responsible for their own actions. One of the widest used phrases for justification is "I am not responsible for my what I did while I was in my disease, but I am accountable" This goes along with their "I am not responsible for my disease only my recovery... Hell they just need to man up and quit blaming their problems on a non-existant disease.

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