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Re: Evil Step Monster Lashes Out
« Reply #30 on: April 15, 2009, 06:07:12 PM »
Quote from: "Diane Carter [url=http://www.moveovertooakpointe.com/home2.htm
http://www.moveovertooakpointe.com/home2.htm[/url]"]
 I'm very tired, the whole family is tired (even the ones that don't live here), even the dog is tired. He can tell when she's in her moods and hides in his cage. But I suppose you all will now say I've clouded his mind with terrible thoughts about her and I've even turned him against her.

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lol. The line that the dog would go into its cage and close the door is a classic.

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The SPCA has opened up a file on this household since Katie has returned home.

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even the dog is tired. He can tell when she's in her moods and hides in his cage. But I suppose you all will now say I've clouded his mind with terrible thoughts about her and I've even turned him against her.
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Great find, guest!

Thats funny, you can fool people but you cant fool a dog, he/she knows when trouble comes knocking.  Anyone who owns a dog knows this.


^^^Inside the twisted minds of the abusive parents of WWASP detainees; what a WWASP “parental support group” is like (serves to normalize cruelty and child abuse), and how the imprisoned children are spoken to in WWASP cross creek programs' “therapy sessions” (until the children beleive they are indeed as worthless as they are told they are)


Yes, people really are this depraved. And they turn to WWASP to abuse their kids in ways they would be arrested for if they tried themselves because they want terrible things done to their children.   :heartbreak:  :rose:
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Re: Evil Step Monster Lashes Out
« Reply #31 on: April 15, 2009, 06:10:10 PM »
Well, I do have the family's best interest at heart. Its not like I am going to work myself all up over it - I'm tired too. But I do wish things were better for all concerned. This situation is incredibly sad.

Katies folks: You could not have made a worse mistake with regard to Katie's mental health than sending her into one of these private, for prophet, Synanon based programs. I can't believe you made the slightest effort to learn the first thing about BPD (or these programs) before you did so. It doesn't seem like you've yet bothered to learn about this condition and how best to help those suffering with it.

Maybe this isn't entirely your fault. The therapeutic community still often dispenses outdated ideas and false information about this disorder. Maybe you were given terrible advice from those you thought were professionals and so were mis-led. (I'm trying to be generous here) But surely you can now see her stay at Cross Creek was not appropriate therapy. Is it not yet apparent? Could it be you've been blinded to the truth of the situation by the powerful programing you yourself endured?

I had suggested some reading for you in another thread. I will now add:
"I Hate You, Don't Leave me"  
and:
http://www.mhsanctuary.com/borderline/

Note to Katie: If you think reading about self injury may cause you a relapse then use great caution; but all in all I believe learning about your disorder will be helpful. Once you understand why you feel such raging emotions, and such emptiness; why you sometimes totally love and then absolutely hate the same person with in the same hour; why you feel a need to keep emotional storms raging,  you can work on guarding against letting all this overwhelm you, and this will lead to less frequent and serious consequences. I think it will work this way for you, b/c you are an intelligent girl who will be able to understand the issues and see how your life has been impacted, and understand it is up to you to make the changes needed to live a more balanced and satisfying life.

Again to Katie's folks: There is not the slightest doubt in my mind that your inflecting the program on your BPD daughter has made her problems much worse. It is as if the program is diabolically designed to ensnare BPD teens and then destroy them; while hardening their parents hearts and training them to treat their ill child with a bone chillingly cold disregard.

To you all: Yes, you'll all be better off when Katie has her own place. But you can not expect her to be self sufficient - even at 28, never mind 18. BPD (and the other disorders that are inevitably co-existent, such as OCD) are recognized disabilities. They are serious mental illnesses.  Help her apply for disability benefits with SSA. This will be a long frustrating process but you will be successful if you persist, and this will open a lot of doors to help with such things as housing and educational financing.

Also - do not let anyone tell you BPD can not be cured. It can. It takes a lot of effort on the part of the BPD - and I think a good deal of intelligence - but it can be understood and overcome to such an extent that they are no longer noticeably symptomatic - which is what anyone should call a cure. Look into DBT.
http://www.dbtselfhelp.com/
http://www.borderlinepersonality.ca/dbttreatBPD.htm

 Folks: Read up on Lifespring / Resource Realizations (1988, David Gilcrease from Lifespring) .
http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?4,31129,68053
http://www.rickross.com/groups/lifespring.html
http://www.icsahome.com/infoserv_grp/grp_lifespring.asp
http://isaccorp.org/wwasps/resource-rea ... 10.02.html
http://www.factnet.org/cults/LifeSpring/?FACTNet

And for all your sakes - stop cutting each other to ribbons on the World Wide Web. Don't you know it never goes away? Can't you discuss the issues without being so personally vicious?  Can't you talk about the issues and not each other?
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Re: Evil Step Monster Lashes Out
« Reply #32 on: April 15, 2009, 06:12:19 PM »
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Well, I do have the family's best interest at heart. Its not like I am going to work myself all up over it - I'm tired too. But I do wish things were better for all concerned. This situation is incredibly sad.

Katies folks: You could not have made a worse mistake with regard to Katie's mental health than sending her into one of these private, for prophet, Synanon based programs. I can't believe you made the slightest effort to learn the first thing about BPD (or these programs) before you did so. It doesn't seem like you've yet bothered to learn about this condition and how best to help those suffering with it.

Maybe this isn't entirely your fault. The therapeutic community still often dispenses outdated ideas and false information about this disorder. Maybe you were given terrible advice from those you thought were professionals and so were mis-led. (I'm trying to be generous here) But surely you can now see her stay at Cross Creek was not appropriate therapy. Is it not yet apparent? Could it be you've been blinded to the truth of the situation by the powerful programing you yourself endured?

I had suggested some reading for you in another thread. I will now add:
"I Hate You, Don't Leave me"  
and:
http://www.mhsanctuary.com/borderline/

Note to Katie: If you think reading about self injury may cause you a relapse then use great caution; but all in all I believe learning about your disorder will be helpful. Once you understand why you feel such raging emotions, and such emptiness; why you sometimes totally love and then absolutely hate the same person with in the same hour; why you feel a need to keep emotional storms raging,  you can work on guarding against letting all this overwhelm you, and this will lead to less frequent and serious consequences. I think it will work this way for you, b/c you are an intelligent girl who will be able to understand the issues and see how your life has been impacted, and understand it is up to you to make the changes needed to live a more balanced and satisfying life.

Again to Katie's folks: There is not the slightest doubt in my mind that your inflecting the program on your BPD daughter has made her problems much worse. It is as if the program is diabolically designed to ensnare BPD teens and then destroy them; while hardening their parents hearts and training them to treat their ill child with a bone chillingly cold disregard.

To you all: Yes, you'll all be better off when Katie has her own place. But you can not expect her to be self sufficient - even at 28, never mind 18. BPD (and the other disorders that are inevitably co-existent, such as OCD) are recognized disabilities. They are serious mental illnesses.  Help her apply for disability benefits with SSA. This will be a long frustrating process but you will be successful if you persist, and this will open a lot of doors to help with such things as housing and educational financing.

Also - do not let anyone tell you BPD can not be cured. It can. It takes a lot of effort on the part of the BPD - and I think a good deal of intelligence - but it can be understood and overcome to such an extent that they are no longer noticeably symptomatic - which is what anyone should call a cure. Look into DBT.
http://www.dbtselfhelp.com/
http://www.borderlinepersonality.ca/dbttreatBPD.htm

 Folks: Read up on Lifespring / Resource Realizations (1988, David Gilcrease from Lifespring) .
http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?4,31129,68053
http://www.rickross.com/groups/lifespring.html
http://www.icsahome.com/infoserv_grp/grp_lifespring.asp
http://isaccorp.org/wwasps/resource-rea ... 10.02.html
http://www.factnet.org/cults/LifeSpring/?FACTNet

And for all your sakes - stop cutting each other to ribbons on the World Wide Web. Don't you know it never goes away? Can't you discuss the issues without being so personally vicious?  Can't you talk about the issues and not each other?

buzz, how many seminars and parental support groups did you attend? can you answer?
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Re: Evil Step Monster Lashes Out
« Reply #33 on: April 15, 2009, 06:17:58 PM »
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Quote from: "Diane Carter [url=http://www.moveovertooakpointe.com/home2.htm
http://www.moveovertooakpointe.com/home2.htm[/url]"]
 I'm very tired, the whole family is tired (even the ones that don't live here), even the dog is tired. He can tell when she's in her moods and hides in his cage. But I suppose you all will now say I've clouded his mind with terrible thoughts about her and I've even turned him against her.

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lol. The line that the dog would go into its cage and close the door is a classic.

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The SPCA has opened up a file on this household since Katie has returned home.

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even the dog is tired. He can tell when she's in her moods and hides in his cage. But I suppose you all will now say I've clouded his mind with terrible thoughts about her and I've even turned him against her.
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Great find, guest!

Thats funny, you can fool people but you cant fool a dog, he/she knows when trouble comes knocking.  Anyone who owns a dog knows this.


^^^Inside the twisted minds of the abusive parents of WWASP detainees; what a WWASP “parental support group” is like (serves to normalize cruelty and child abuse), and how the imprisoned children are spoken to in WWASP cross creek programs' “therapy sessions” (until the children beleive they are indeed as worthless as they are told they are)


Yes, people really are this depraved. And they turn to WWASP to abuse their kids in ways they would be arrested for if they tried themselves because they want terrible things done to their children.   :heartbreak:  :rose:

Diane and Micheal Carter genuinely shock me. I have not seen child abuse up close and in person in a while. You sort of forget how ugly it is....
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Re: Evil Step Monster Lashes Out
« Reply #34 on: April 15, 2009, 06:26:23 PM »
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I can't speak for everyone on Fornits, but I don't think it would be very healthy for us to read her stories and condemn her for her actions, we aren't interested in furthering the kind of abuse she gets at home,

No, you cannot speak for everyone.  Its not healthy to condemn anyone!  How do you know who is doing the abusing?
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I think most of us agree that this forum should be a haven for her where she doesn't have to be comforted with constant blame. I think she has had far too much of it to date and OBVIOUSLY that hasn't worked out so isn't it possible that taking a different approach could be helpful here?

If you have read enough here you would know this is the last place you would want to call a safe haven for anyone.  Diane was being attacked even before she posted here, femanon.

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You are totally unable to see this situation from any other angle but your own, and sadly unable to hold your hate and blame down even in the slightest to give Katie a chance to give her side of the story and figure out on her own how to heal and grow from her experiences.

You suffer from the same problem.  You have very little information and assume you can place the blame on people.

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I know at Fornits we usually welcome "the other side" to engage in debate, but I honestly believe your presence on this site is simply to undermine the progress that Katie is making in dealing with this. Don't bother telling "your side of the story" again, its old, we've heard it, we already read your blog and we know what issues you have with your step daughter.

So the new rules of fornits is you can only tell your story once and then you are cut off.  Who is going to keep track of you?  Are you going to keep the same rules for yourself or does that only apply to those who you disagree with?
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Katie has come here to tell her side, and we are willing to support her in doing so and offer our advice to help her overcome the pain, put her past into perspective and grow from her experiences.

Who is this “we”?
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However it seems your sole intention is to throw a wrench in her process, and see to it that no one supports or believes in her. Why is that Dianne?

And yours?  Are you throwing a wrench in Dianes side of the story?

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Is this just your nature or are you afraid she may just become independent and you wont have your punching bag/ scape goat around anymore to fuel your abusive tendencies?

Not likely, I think she voted for her to leave 3 years ago!

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If I were her, I would walk into your bedroom right now and tell you to "Stay the fuck off Fornits, stay out of my life and to go fuck yourself."

And if she did, Diane should say “Who is paying the rent here?  The electricity to power the lap top?  Who is paying for the food you put in your mouth?”  Do you feel entitled?  Good your entitled to get the fuck out of my house!!!!  Get a job, go to school and kick the dog on the way out if you need to, but go!!”


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I hope you realize that you induce that kind of anger not only in Katie, but even to strangers, your intentions to continue to be a deconstructive force in Katie's life are truly infuriating!

Thank you for commenting, come back when you have a teenager of your own and we can talk!
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Re: Evil Step Monster Lashes Out
« Reply #35 on: April 15, 2009, 06:28:42 PM »
This is a good reminder that program parents are not ignorant victims of this industry, they are the cause and source of it.
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Re: Evil Step Monster Lashes Out
« Reply #36 on: April 15, 2009, 06:30:54 PM »
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Quote from: "FemanonFatal2.0"
I can't speak for everyone on Fornits, but I don't think it would be very healthy for us to read her stories and condemn her for her actions, we aren't interested in furthering the kind of abuse she gets at home,

No, you cannot speak for everyone.  Its not healthy to condemn anyone!  How do you know who is doing the abusing?
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I think most of us agree that this forum should be a haven for her where she doesn't have to be comforted with constant blame. I think she has had far too much of it to date and OBVIOUSLY that hasn't worked out so isn't it possible that taking a different approach could be helpful here?

If you have read enough here you would know this is the last place you would want to call a safe haven for anyone.  Diane was being attacked even before she posted here, femanon.

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You are totally unable to see this situation from any other angle but your own, and sadly unable to hold your hate and blame down even in the slightest to give Katie a chance to give her side of the story and figure out on her own how to heal and grow from her experiences.

You suffer from the same problem.  You have very little information and assume you can place the blame on people.

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I know at Fornits we usually welcome "the other side" to engage in debate, but I honestly believe your presence on this site is simply to undermine the progress that Katie is making in dealing with this. Don't bother telling "your side of the story" again, its old, we've heard it, we already read your blog and we know what issues you have with your step daughter.

So the new rules of fornits is you can only tell your story once and then you are cut off.  Who is going to keep track of you?  Are you going to keep the same rules for yourself or does that only apply to those who you disagree with?
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Katie has come here to tell her side, and we are willing to support her in doing so and offer our advice to help her overcome the pain, put her past into perspective and grow from her experiences.

Who is this “we”?
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However it seems your sole intention is to throw a wrench in her process, and see to it that no one supports or believes in her. Why is that Dianne?

And yours?  Are you throwing a wrench in Dianes side of the story?

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Is this just your nature or are you afraid she may just become independent and you wont have your punching bag/ scape goat around anymore to fuel your abusive tendencies?

Not likely, I think she voted for her to leave 3 years ago!

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If I were her, I would walk into your bedroom right now and tell you to "Stay the fuck off Fornits, stay out of my life and to go fuck yourself."

And if she did, Diane should say “Who is paying the rent here?  The electricity to power the lap top?  Who is paying for the food you put in your mouth?”  Do you feel entitled?  Good your entitled to get the fuck out of my house!!!!  Get a job, go to school and kick the dog on the way out if you need to, but go!!”


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I hope you realize that you induce that kind of anger not only in Katie, but even to strangers, your intentions to continue to be a deconstructive force in Katie's life are truly infuriating!


Thank you for commenting, come back when you have a teenager of your own and we can talk!


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Re: Evil Step Monster Lashes Out
« Reply #37 on: April 15, 2009, 06:45:05 PM »
Quote from: "Guest"
Quote from: "FemanonFatal2.0"
I can't speak for everyone on Fornits, but I don't think it would be very healthy for us to read her stories and condemn her for her actions, we aren't interested in furthering the kind of abuse she gets at home,

No, you cannot speak for everyone.  Its not healthy to condemn anyone!  How do you know who is doing the abusing?
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I think most of us agree that this forum should be a haven for her where she doesn't have to be comforted with constant blame. I think she has had far too much of it to date and OBVIOUSLY that hasn't worked out so isn't it possible that taking a different approach could be helpful here?

If you have read enough here you would know this is the last place you would want to call a safe haven for anyone.  Diane was being attacked even before she posted here, femanon.

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You are totally unable to see this situation from any other angle but your own, and sadly unable to hold your hate and blame down even in the slightest to give Katie a chance to give her side of the story and figure out on her own how to heal and grow from her experiences.

You suffer from the same problem.  You have very little information and assume you can place the blame on people.

Quote
I know at Fornits we usually welcome "the other side" to engage in debate, but I honestly believe your presence on this site is simply to undermine the progress that Katie is making in dealing with this. Don't bother telling "your side of the story" again, its old, we've heard it, we already read your blog and we know what issues you have with your step daughter.

So the new rules of fornits is you can only tell your story once and then you are cut off.  Who is going to keep track of you?  Are you going to keep the same rules for yourself or does that only apply to those who you disagree with?
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Katie has come here to tell her side, and we are willing to support her in doing so and offer our advice to help her overcome the pain, put her past into perspective and grow from her experiences.

Who is this “we”?
Quote
However it seems your sole intention is to throw a wrench in her process, and see to it that no one supports or believes in her. Why is that Dianne?

And yours?  Are you throwing a wrench in Dianes side of the story?

Quote
Is this just your nature or are you afraid she may just become independent and you wont have your punching bag/ scape goat around anymore to fuel your abusive tendencies?

Not likely, I think she voted for her to leave 3 years ago!

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If I were her, I would walk into your bedroom right now and tell you to "Stay the fuck off Fornits, stay out of my life and to go fuck yourself."

And if she did, Diane should say “Who is paying the rent here?  The electricity to power the lap top?  Who is paying for the food you put in your mouth?”  Do you feel entitled?  Good your entitled to get the fuck out of my house!!!!  Get a job, go to school and kick the dog on the way out if you need to, but go!!”


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I hope you realize that you induce that kind of anger not only in Katie, but even to strangers, your intentions to continue to be a deconstructive force in Katie's life are truly infuriating!

Thank you for commenting, come back when you have a teenager of your own and we can talk!

Great Post!  thank you for commenting.  There are so few people who really see what is going on here.  Thanks for cutting thru the bullshit here.
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Re: Evil Step Monster Lashes Out
« Reply #38 on: April 15, 2009, 07:05:54 PM »
Thanks for that post, Diane and Michael must think this place is nuts with all the posts and flaming lol.... welcome to fornits!!!  Even though we know Katie made your lives a living hell and tried to drive a wedge into the family we have to take Katies side.  Why because we did the same thing!!  We are the same animal.  We know Katie was abusive to everyone, but we just wont admit it.  Because if we did then we would have to admit that maybe we were responsible for the events that lead us to be placed into a program and in turn lead us to the lives we have today.
So dont take it personally we are just acting on a defence mechanism and hoping that katie joins our little club of hatred towards all creatures.
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« Reply #39 on: April 15, 2009, 07:26:02 PM »
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Thanks for that post, Diane and Michael must think this place is nuts with all the posts and flaming lol.... welcome to fornits!!!  Even though we know Katie made your lives a living hell and tried to drive a wedge into the family we have to take Katies side.  Why because we did the same thing!!  We are the same animal.  We know Katie was abusive to everyone, but we just wont admit it.  Because if we did then we would have to admit that maybe we were responsible for the events that lead us to be placed into a program and in turn lead us to the lives we have today.
So dont take it personally we are just acting on a defence mechanism and hoping that katie joins our little club of hatred towards all creatures.

Whooter's got it bad.
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« Reply #40 on: April 15, 2009, 07:35:59 PM »
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I haven’t seen one poster who has your families best interest at heart.  They are just hoping Katie will say she was abused at Cross Creek so it keeps their dreams alive that their effort isn’t in vane.  If they can promote enough hatred between yourself and Katie then Katie may embellish her stories in retaliation or maybe for more attention.

Some children just do not respond to therapy or behaviour modification very well and need to move towards medication for a solution.  Femanon never had any kids and has only baby sat other peoples children.  No offense to Femanon but she has no idea what parental responsibility is or how different each child can be along with their individual challenges.

Again, obviously you don't know anything about me or my profession. I don't just babysit people's kids, I raise them often when the parents are in the house. I am usually called in when the child starts to develop behavior problems and often when I am called into a home with a misbehaving 7 year old I find that there is in fact a messed up family dynamic that I do my best to mediate through and assist in all parties learning how to co-exist. Often I find that the parenting style is "not a match" with the child's personality. That would explain how one child would take kindly to negative reinforcement and another child would be psychologically damaged by it. It is actually very common for their to be a black sheep in the family that gets picked on, and as unintentional as it is, it starts very early with the parents and their lack of patience with special needs kids. At that point is where I am called in, I take over as the parent of the "black sheep" child and with a softer more loving and logical approach to parenting I have seen theses kids go from angry and unruly to loving and more than willing to behave. The secret is giving the child respect, using logical reasoning, and being patient when they don't automatically "get it". I must have explained the same lessons over and over and reminded this one child I worked with, a million times but soon enough he "got it" and he started reminding himself how to act in similar situations. But what I do isn't important, this is about Katie, and for the most part I have been holding back my advice until she is done writing her story... then I think we will be able to assist in the healing.

Furthermore, I have not focused on Cross Creek, I think at this point it is evident that she actually preferred Cross Creek over living at home with her step mother, just as she preferred the mental hospital. I may not understand that but it speaks for itself. I have personally experienced a program that was extremely harsh, I was one of those who they tried to force to eat my own vomit, and was physically tortured on several occasions on top of the systematic abuse that was the program system itself. I do not perpetrate that the same incidents have happened to every kid in every program but I do think that systematic abuse does exist, be it in varying degrees, but enough to assert that their are similar problems in all WWASP programs and other programs that run the "tough love" program. From what I understand Katie has not been out of CCM very long, it is common for kids to not realize that what was done to them was abuse, because they are still under the impression that it was treatment. If Katie is open to revisit what happened to her in the program and share that with us we will surely point out (in our opinions) what we consider to be abusive but we do not expect her to "admit" anything that she doesn't personally believe.

I don't expect to change Michael and Dianne's minds, I also don't expect for Katie to adopt our opinions. I think they all need to make up their own minds... but I think it takes someone coming in and calling bullshit on EVERYONES behavior in order for people to start questioning their habits and attempt to stop the cycle. You all don't know but several other members of this site and I have started talking to Katie via an instant message system and we have talked to her about how to avoid the fights and "melt downs" with her parents. So we are not giving Katie a free pass to act out here, we are simply addressing the issues that the parents refuse to acknowledge. So much time has been spent on blaming Katie they have refused to take any responsibility for their role in this mess. Instead of running with the original blame game they portrayed in their blog we have decided to represent the "other side" of the argument that HASN'T been advocated before, and that's Katie's side.
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Re: Evil Step Monster Lashes Out
« Reply #41 on: April 15, 2009, 07:36:46 PM »
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Thanks for that post, Diane and Michael must think this place is nuts with all the posts and flaming lol.... welcome to fornits!!!  Even though we know Katie made your lives a living hell and tried to drive a wedge into the family we have to take Katies side.  Why because we did the same thing!!  We are the same animal.  We know Katie was abusive to everyone, but we just wont admit it.  Because if we did then we would have to admit that maybe we were responsible for the events that lead us to be placed into a program and in turn lead us to the lives we have today.
So dont take it personally we are just acting on a defence mechanism and hoping that katie joins our little club of hatred towards all creatures.


Wow...Micheal and Diane Carter have really instigated cult disiples to post in earnest. Or perhaps they are all Diane and Micheal and thewho?  Maybe these are members of WWASPs "parent support" group, in which "support: means particpating in, and encouraging the pscyhologicall torment of children.

Just so you guys know, children don't abuse their parents, they just don’t have the power necessary to do that. That term simply does not apply. Your self perception as “victims”  of your children which WWASP and various programs inculcate sucessfully in you, is quite disturbing.

This self-perception is apparently so intense that  believers have amassed here to psychologically abuse this 18 year old, who has been institutionalized for 3 years, ostensibly because of her grossly disabling mental illness, as a way of what? "Defending themselves"? To say nothing else, that's the behavior of some seriously emotionally and psychologically stunted "adults."

Do you people really think its acceptable for you middle aged parents to act toward an adolescent in this way? I don't even mean "unacceptable" in the moral sence, i mean do you understand how our social customs have developed so there is a taboo around that sort of behavior?  I think you are so disconected from reality that you don't understand that.

Please keep posting anonymously, and otherwise, Diane and Michael and WWASP supporters; you some records for public displays of malevolence and psychological disturbance, and each of your posts documents it.

All the better for the young lady's case should she press foward with it.
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Re: Evil Step Monster Lashes Out
« Reply #42 on: April 15, 2009, 07:58:03 PM »
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If Katie is open to revisit what happened to her in the program and share that with us we will surely point out (in our opinions) what we consider to be abusive but we do not expect her to "admit" anything that she doesn't personally believe.
This is exactly right.  “You could point out to her” what you consider to be abusive.  What if someone that was pro-program were to talk to her about what happened to her “could they point out to her” what they consider to be what helped her over the hump?

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I think it takes someone coming in and calling bullshit on EVERYONES behavior in order for people to start questioning their habits and attempt to stop the cycle.
I am hoping that you are talking about Katie TOO.  There are several people living in that household who get along with each other very well.  I agree that someone should look at the behaviour of everyone to see what is appropriate.  I just find it amazing that you have never questioned what Katie has done.... what part she has played in all of this.  Why just focus on Diane and Michael?  You are not being very sincere Femanon.

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You all don't know but several other members of this site and I have started talking to Katie via an instant message system and we have talked to her about how to avoid the fights and "melt downs" with her parents. So we are not giving Katie a free pass to act out here, we are simply addressing the issues that the parents refuse to acknowledge. So much time has been spent on blaming Katie they have refused to take any responsibility for their role in this mess. Instead of running with the original blame game they portrayed in their blog we have decided to represent the "other side" of the argument that HASN'T been advocated before, and that's Katie's side.
They may be frustrated and telling the truth here.  She may deserve the blame.
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Re: Evil Step Monster Lashes Out
« Reply #43 on: April 15, 2009, 08:00:59 PM »
Can't even post under your own name anymore, can you cunt? Nice try pretending to be anonymous!

End this farce. Throw her out. And then Femanon or some other Fornits member will be by to pick her up and you can stop pretending to be a substitute mother.
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Re: Evil Step Monster Lashes Out
« Reply #44 on: April 15, 2009, 08:14:37 PM »
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Can't even post under your own name anymore, can you cunt? Nice try pretending to be anonymous!

End this farce. Throw her out. And then Femanon or some other Fornits member will be by to pick her up and you can stop pretending to be a substitute mother.

I agree, this anon is Diane Carter. Either way, the things this woman has written......Let's just say they are quite revealing
Join this suit, kaite. The fear of it has certainly stirred the wwaspnest, if these posters aren't all the distrubed, child abusing Diane Carter, Ohio.
ttp://www.turleylaw.com/
Placement in isolation for long periods of time, and at times, including being
locked in small boxes and cages, and locked up in basements, and forced to
assume distorted and painful physical positions for long periods of time;
b. Unsanitary living conditions;
c. Denial of adequate food;
d. Denial of proper medical and dental care and treatment;
e. Denial of an even minimally sufficient education;
f. Exposure to extreme (hot and cold) temperatures for long periods of time;
g. Forced physical exercise beyond their physical capacity;
h. Kicked, beaten, thrown and slammed to the ground;
i. Bound and tied by hands and/or feet;
j. Chained and locked in dog cages;
k. Forced to lie in, or wear, urine and feces as one method of punishment;
l. Forced to clean and scrub toilets and floors with their toothbrush and then use the
toothbrush afterwards;
Forced to sleep on cold concrete floors, boxspring, or plywood used as a bed with
no bedding or linens or with just a tattered and torn sleeping bag;
n. Forced to carry heavy bags of sand around their neck or logs throughout the day
over many days;
o. Forced to eat their own vomit;
p. Sexual abuse, which included forced sexual relations and acts of fondling and
masturbation performed on them;
q. Emotional abuse by subjecting student Plaintiffs to near-total parental and societal
isolation. Personal visits, correspondence, and telephone calls were either
forbidden or discouraged;
r. Because of the near-total isolation from the outside world and lack of education,
many student Plaintiffs were totally unequipped to enter outside society;
s. Forced to work many hours a day, at an age below the applicable minimum age
requirements of the child labor laws of the jurisdictions in which the schools are
located, and without compensation for shoveling manure, house construction,
hauling, landscaping, kitchen work, farm work, and moving bricks;
t. Threatened severe punishment, including death, if they told anyone of their
abuses and poor living conditions;
u. Confiscated and/or kept students’ U.S. mail;
v. Deprived from using the toilet, and as a result, urinated or defecated on
themselves;
w. Verbally abused by lying that their parents knew what was happening to them and
were supportive of it all;
x. Subjected to buddy system where older students were allowed to physically,
mentally, and sexually abuse younger students and manage them as part of a
“cleansing” process;
y. Deprived of sleep;
z. Forced to wear the same, unwashed clothes for weeks at a time;
aa. Denied any religious affiliation, except for the Mormon faith;
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bb. Forced to eat raw or rotten food;
cc. Poked and prodded with various objects while being strip searched;
dd. Forced to write false confession letters to parents to justify being sent to the
WWASPS school;
Student Plaintiffs repeatedly witnessed other children being kicked, hit, slammed, beaten,
thrown to the ground, and humiliated by teachers, supervisors, and/or staff.
5. Defendants violated student Plaintiffs’ human rights when Defendants used isolation as a
form of punishment.
6. Defendants often conspired with a parent or guardian to kidnap or take away by force the
child from another parent with equal or superior custody.
7. Defendants conspired with parents to implemented an “Exit Plan,” which had the effect
of compelling the student to remain at the schools past the student’s 18th birthday, despite torture and
inhumane conditions.
8. At all time relevant, Defendants did not disclose to the parents the physical, emotional,
mental, and/or sexual abuse to which their children were subjected at their facilities, and conspired, even
to this day, to prevent them from discovering such abuse.

9. In addition to the foregoing facts, Plaintiffs incorporate by reference into this Complaint
each of Plaintiffs’ statement of facts, which statement of facts sets forth the specific circumstance and
occurrences relating to transactions and treatment of Plaintiffs by the Defendants. By agreement,
Plaintiffs’ statement of facts are being provided to defense counsel.
WWASPS, through their schools, owed the minor student Plaintiffs, who were entrusted
to its care, the highest duty of trust and confidence and was required to act in their best interest. The
schools’ actions and inactions, described herein, violated that relationship when they failed to act with
the highest degree of trust and confidence to protect the student Plaintiffs from physical, emotional,
mental, and sexual abuse.

2. As minors, unable to care for or make decisions for themselves, and entrusted in the care
of the schools operated by Defendants, student Plaintiffs were owed a fiduciary duty by each of the
individual entities and by all of the Defendants. By failing to take steps to prevent, detect, and minimize
the harm from the incidents of abuse suffered by student Plaintiffs, the Defendants breached their
fiduciary duty to student Plaintiffs.

1. WWASPS has acted in concert with the other Defendants in a pattern and practice to
fraudulently conceal the extent and nature of the physical, emotional, mental, and sexual abuse
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occurring at its boarding schools, as well as the harmful effects of that abuse, continuing through the
present day. Defendants have also acted in concert to fraudulently conceal the fact that Defendants
engaged in a pattern and practice of stealing the value of student Plaintiffs’ labor, forcing them to work
several hours per day, for the duration of their attendance at the boarding schools without any
compensation whatsoever, as well as the value to student Plaintiffs of even a minimally sufficient
education.

2. All Defendants herein entered into a civil conspiracy to act in concert, accompanied by a
meeting of the minds regarding concerted action, the purposes of which were to suppress and minimize
public knowledge of the rampant physical, emotional, mental, and sexual abuse of minor children in the
boarding schools by teachers, supervisors, and staff, and to take a uniform position and approach to the
handling of reports of abuse.

3. This ongoing conspiracy and concert of 1. WWASPS has acted in concert with the other Defendants in a pattern and practice to
fraudulently conceal the extent and nature of the physical, emotional, mental, and sexual abuse
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occurring at its boarding schools, as well as the harmful effects of that abuse, continuing through the
present day. Defendants have also acted in concert to fraudulently conceal the fact that Defendants
engaged in a pattern and practice of stealing the value of student Plaintiffs’ labor, forcing them to work
several hours per day, for the duration of their attendance at the boarding schools without any
compensation whatsoever, as well as the value to student Plaintiffs of even a minimally sufficient
education.

2. All Defendants herein entered into a civil conspiracy to act in concert, accompanied by a
meeting of the minds regarding concerted action, the purposes of which were to suppress and minimize
public knowledge of the rampant physical, emotional, mental, and sexual abuse of minor children in the
boarding schools by teachers, supervisors, and staff, and to take a uniform position and approach to the
handling of reports of abuse.

3. This ongoing conspiracy and concert of 1. WWASPS has acted in concert with the other Defendants in a pattern and practice to
fraudulently conceal the extent and nature of the physical, emotional, mental, and sexual abuse
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occurring at its boarding schools, as well as the harmful effects of that abuse, continuing through the
present day. Defendants have also acted in concert to fraudulently conceal the fact that Defendants
engaged in a pattern and practice of stealing the value of student Plaintiffs’ labor, forcing them to work
several hours per day, for the duration of their attendance at the boarding schools without any
compensation whatsoever, as well as the value to student Plaintiffs of even a minimally sufficient
education.

2. All Defendants herein entered into a civil conspiracy to act in concert, accompanied by a
meeting of the minds regarding concerted action, the purposes of which were to suppress and minimize
public knowledge of the rampant physical, emotional, mental, and sexual abuse of minor children in the
boarding schools by teachers, supervisors, and staff, and to take a uniform position and approach to the
handling of reports of abuse.

3. This ongoing conspiracy and concert of1. WWASPS has acted in concert with the other Defendants in a pattern and practice to
fraudulently conceal the extent and nature of the physical, emotional, mental, and sexual abuse commit such wrongful acts.
4. In absence of this conspiracy and concert of action, Defendants should have responded to
repeated notice of the abuse committed on the children by the teachers, supervisors, and staff and issued
general and specific warnings to the entire WWASPS community, particularly the parents of the
children in the boarding schools. Had a proper warning been issued, the physical, emotional, mental,
and sexual abuse would never have occurred. Moreover, the theft of the value of student Plaintiffs’
work, and deprivation of their educational opportunities, would not have occurred had a proper warning
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been issued. Thus, Defendants’ actions in furtherance of this conspiracy are a proximate caus
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