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Another 73/74 Seedling Grad
SurRobinHood:
Well if you consider these forums and the books written about the seed as anectdotal then some of my info is. As far as my personal experience goes every seedling I have met since or know of from my days there had joined other cults or deadinsaneorinjail to use the common vernacular. I have no personal experience with a single seed success story and have only ever heard one here on these forums. Until comeing here I had no idea there were any pro seed people who were not still in the bussiness. I'm not aiming anything at your head or your apples. I'm trying to inspire compasion. Still no response to my questions.
SurRobinHood:
Looking back through the baghead responses I see at least neil did respond. He says it's not his concern .... hmmm ... he could care less, as long as he got his so what about everyone else. I guess it's the american way......
Anonymous:
Sur Robin,
Thanks for not aiming at my apples...
As I read through some of the other threads, I'm starting to get a feel of some of the personalities.
Please don't accuse me of not caring or being uncompassionate.
The Seed did not convince me that my previous life was fucked up. It was. The fact that I was going nowhere but down was not a perception built by the Seed.
Somewhere in a scrapbook I have two report cards. One from the final semester of my 11th grade and one from the 1st semester of the 12th. Fs and incompletes transformed into straight As. (attending school helped tremdeously)
Before the Seed, I stole $20 a day for months from my boss to ?buy? and when I returned, I repaid him as close to what I could figure I skimmed from him. It took months of most of my paycheck.
Etc. etc. etc.
Tools? Self awareness and balls.
I learned to pay attention to what ?I? needed. I got the strength to do what ?I? needed to do.
Were the tactics of The Seed cultish and brutal? Yes, I imagine they were. Was I forced to endure it? Yes. But, I chose not to perceive it as some fucked up place that screwed people up. I didn?t slide under the gate and try to ?Split? or haul ass from my old comer?s house. I realized that it was up to me to ?fix? me and they were going to use whatever pressure they could bring to make me do it. So, I chose to do it.
Not long after I graduated, I learned that the ?rules? were not to live by but to keep me on the right road until I could figure out my own rules. I have done that with some success yet I will accentuate ?Some?.
The magic did wear off. It was the magic of honesty. Without the rigor of being tested at every move by someone tuned into my crap, it became easy to let little shit slip here and there. I miss the clearness of those days.
At any rate. It?s never occurred to me to check on the reality of The Seed to see if it had a shinning star or dirty secrets. I went through a fucked up time in my life and I got ?straight?. I never felt, nor has anyone every put any expectation on me to go looking. I had the impression that ?The Seed? wanted me to go out and do my life the best I could. That?s what I?ve tried to do.
Neil
Anonymous:
Lookie here, he got it.
GregFL:
--- Quote ---On 2006-01-01 21:15:00, Anonymous wrote:
The magic did wear off. It was the magic of honesty.
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Okay, Im calling major bullshit on that statement. THe seed was perhaps one of the most dishonest places ever conceived of. Art was a pathological liar, they lied to get you in the place, they lied about how long you could stay, they lied about "awareness", They lied about court orders, they lied to the press, they told you to lie to your parents about what when on in group, and on and on.
In fact, just like any cult, they redefined the term honesty to mean "tell me what I expect to hear". If you really tried to be "honest" such as standing up and saying something like "you know, it is cruel and heartless to feed teenage kids wet PB&Y sandwhiches and make them sit in chairs all day", or "sure I had fun before I came in the seed..one time I went to this party and got a blowjob and it was great" your ass would be chewed out for hours and you would lose all the time you invested in the program. The place wasnt' just dishonest it punished real honesty and then redefined honesty. One of the markers of cults, BTW.
Honesty was redefined to fit expectations within the group.
--- Quote ---Curiosity piqued my desire to go looking for some grads. I expected to find people who were mildy successful and mostly happy with their life. Does this fit any of you?
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It fits many of us, however you define sucess. It does not mean we cannot rational discuss our time in the seed, in either negative or postive terms. We do not need to be successfull to accept or reject the seed, nor do we need to be a failure (whatever that is) to accept or reject the seed. What in the world would lead you to this conclusion?
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I notice none of you who responded to my post attempted to answer any of the questions I posed there. Avoiding something?
Still copping out?
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ewwww, yucky seed 'comn down on you' terminology and tactics. I need a shower!
:grin:
Seriously, Just what questions do you have. Post them here and I/we will do what we can to answer them. I would appreciate you taking some time to read thru the forum first. It started with this thread five years ago.
http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.ph ... forum=8&34
Neil , you said this...." I had the impression that ?The Seed? wanted me to go out and do my life the best I could. That?s what I?ve tried to do."
And I would say that was a reasonable assumption. However, Did you ever say just drop in on the ole seed in Ft Lauderdale? I did and they treated me like I was the enemy, as they did many others. The truth is, once you left the seed, except in rare cases you were seen as "one of them", seedlings weren't allowed to talk to you, and otherwise the seed was suspicious of you.
Benevolent drug rehab/savior or freaky deaky little cult?
I think the answer is obvious.
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