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Re: What about
« Reply #165 on: November 25, 2009, 04:53:42 PM »
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Re: What about
« Reply #166 on: November 25, 2009, 05:10:48 PM »
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Tim Brace was the director of mount bachelor academy for awhile. He had the same job as Sharon Bitz did until MBA got its license suspended and Aspen shut it down. MBA and Sharon Bitz personally were cited by Oregon for a number of kinds of child abuse, you can find this on other boards or on the web. I witnessed much of the same happen under Tim Brace and I saw him do a lot of it myself.

in his first meeting there he announced to the whole school that he used to "suck cock for crack" - his words

Carlbrook survivors -- this http://http://www.dss.virginia.gov/files/division/dfs/cps/manuals/03-2009/partIIdefinitionsofabuseandneglect3-09.pdf may be worth taking a look at

A good start might be the sections
B)2.12 Physical Abuse - Bizarre Discipline
D)2.4 Medical Neglect - Necessary Medical Care or Treatment
E)2.0 Mental Abuse -- Caretakers Actions or Omissions

Virginia Department of Social Services Hotline Numbers
Hotline Numbers

In Virginia: (800) 552-7096
Out-of-state: (804) 786-8536
Hearing-impaired: (800) 828-1120
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Re: What about
« Reply #167 on: November 25, 2009, 07:04:51 PM »
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Tim Brace was the director of mount bachelor academy for awhile. He had the same job as Sharon Bitz did until MBA got its license suspended and Aspen shut it down. MBA and Sharon Bitz personally were cited by Oregon for a number of kinds of child abuse, you can find this on other boards or on the web. I witnessed much of the same happen under Tim Brace and I saw him do a lot of it myself.

in his first meeting there he announced to the whole school that he used to "suck cock for crack" - his words

Carlbrook survivors -- this http://http://www.dss.virginia.gov/files/division/dfs/cps/manuals/03-2009/partIIdefinitionsofabuseandneglect3-09.pdf may be worth taking a look at

A good start might be the sections
B)2.12 Physical Abuse - Bizarre Discipline
D)2.4 Medical Neglect - Necessary Medical Care or Treatment
E)2.0 Mental Abuse -- Caretakers Actions or Omissions

Virginia Department of Social Services Hotline Numbers
Hotline Numbers

In Virginia: (800) 552-7096
Out-of-state: (804) 786-8536
Hearing-impaired: (800) 828-1120

Thanks for the research!!
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Re: What about
« Reply #168 on: November 25, 2009, 09:00:26 PM »
Tim Brace told everyone about "sucking cock for crack" but only because he wanted to show how dark his life had gotten and if he could rise up, so could we. Still, it seemed like he would say it not just to bond with us but also partially for shock value...I don't know...he is definitely a used car salesman but I think he swallows his own bullshit, you know? Like I think he genuinely believes in what he does, and I'm not sure if that makes it better or worse. Scary to think about.

I have so much anger inside me right now towards Carlbrook. I'm just now starting to realize how horrifically manipulative it was...not just while I was there but NOW. I feel like my brain works differently now. I get so scared and anxious in random situations because I have this fear of...well, I'm not sure what I'm afraid of. But it's the same crippling fear I felt at Carlbrook, of being "bad" or getting in trouble or having everything taken away. Carlbrook messed with my psychologically and I don't feel like that's ever going to go away. My therapist says the therapy that I got there created a need for more therapy to undo that therapy, ironically enough. He says I exhibit a lot of the same symptoms that his vets with PTSD do. I hate this, feeling like my mind's been violated. Were we really behaviorally modified? How can Carlbrook control me so much even when I'm not there? Help.
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Re: What about
« Reply #169 on: November 25, 2009, 10:20:58 PM »
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Re: What about
« Reply #170 on: November 26, 2009, 02:34:56 PM »
Quote from: "survivor1"
Quote from: "legal eagle"
Quote from: "summoned guest"
Tim Brace was the director of mount bachelor academy for awhile. He had the same job as Sharon Bitz did until MBA got its license suspended and Aspen shut it down. MBA and Sharon Bitz personally were cited by Oregon for a number of kinds of child abuse, you can find this on other boards or on the web. I witnessed much of the same happen under Tim Brace and I saw him do a lot of it myself.

in his first meeting there he announced to the whole school that he used to "suck cock for crack" - his words

Carlbrook survivors -- this http://http://www.dss.virginia.gov/files/division/dfs/cps/manuals/03-2009/partIIdefinitionsofabuseandneglect3-09.pdf may be worth taking a look at

A good start might be the sections
B)2.12 Physical Abuse - Bizarre Discipline
D)2.4 Medical Neglect - Necessary Medical Care or Treatment
E)2.0 Mental Abuse -- Caretakers Actions or Omissions

Virginia Department of Social Services Hotline Numbers
Hotline Numbers

In Virginia: (800) 552-7096
Out-of-state: (804) 786-8536
Hearing-impaired: (800) 828-1120

Thanks for the research!!

Ditto. I hope the Carlbrook survivors have the courage to speak up, spread the word to their fellow grads. The deal with these investigations seems to be the state has no impetus to take action until kids start to make complaints.

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Tim Brace told everyone about "sucking cock for crack" but only because he wanted to show how dark his life had gotten and if he could rise up, so could we. Still, it seemed like he would say it not just to bond with us but also partially for shock value...I don't know...he is definitely a used car salesman but I think he swallows his own bullshit, you know?

yes

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Like I think he genuinely believes in what he does, and I'm not sure if that makes it better or worse. Scary to think about.

Well it definitely makes it more sad. I think most of these staff mean well. But on the other hand most of them have degrees in something else, don't have even a teaching credential or an MFT in counseling, and haven't been getting anything but the most minimal sort of continuing education. I think the way you can succeed in working in one of these programs without any training etc is very seductive. Suddenly these people are doing something that seems meaningful and they get to feel like an expert—they think they know better than the medical establishment, etc—and kids are hugging them and parents are thanking them and then there's all the BS about how they're "saving lives." To me it's terribly arrogant.  
 
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I have so much anger inside me right now towards Carlbrook. I'm just now starting to realize how horrifically manipulative it was...not just while I was there but NOW. I feel like my brain works differently now. I get so scared and anxious in random situations because I have this fear of...well, I'm not sure what I'm afraid of.

like you get up to take a leak in the middle of the night and you just get this disorderly feeling, like everything is a howling mess?

Quote from: "lk"
But it's the same crippling fear I felt at Carlbrook, of being "bad" or getting in trouble or having everything taken away. Carlbrook messed with my psychologically and I don't feel like that's ever going to go away. My therapist says the therapy that I got there created a need for more therapy to undo that therapy, ironically enough. He says I exhibit a lot of the same symptoms that his vets with PTSD do. I hate this, feeling like my mind's been violated. Were we really behaviorally modified? How can Carlbrook control me so much even when I'm not there? Help.

first few times i smoked pot after i got out i had terrible flashbacks. saw the staff's faces in my mind scolding me. evil imagos
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Re: What about
« Reply #171 on: November 26, 2009, 11:32:50 PM »
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Re: What about
« Reply #172 on: November 27, 2009, 06:28:55 AM »
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Re: What about
« Reply #173 on: November 27, 2009, 10:37:30 AM »
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Re: What about
« Reply #174 on: November 27, 2009, 12:57:04 PM »
Quote from: "ears"
Quote from: "survivor1"
Quote from: "legal eagle"
Quote from: "summoned guest"
Tim Brace was the director of mount bachelor academy for awhile. He had the same job as Sharon Bitz did until MBA got its license suspended and Aspen shut it down. MBA and Sharon Bitz personally were cited by Oregon for a number of kinds of child abuse, you can find this on other boards or on the web. I witnessed much of the same happen under Tim Brace and I saw him do a lot of it myself.

in his first meeting there he announced to the whole school that he used to "suck cock for crack" - his words

Carlbrook survivors -- this http://http://www.dss.virginia.gov/files/division/dfs/cps/manuals/03-2009/partIIdefinitionsofabuseandneglect3-09.pdf may be worth taking a look at

A good start might be the sections
B)2.12 Physical Abuse - Bizarre Discipline
D)2.4 Medical Neglect - Necessary Medical Care or Treatment
E)2.0 Mental Abuse -- Caretakers Actions or Omissions

Virginia Department of Social Services Hotline Numbers
Hotline Numbers

In Virginia: (800) 552-7096
Out-of-state: (804) 786-8536
Hearing-impaired: (800) 828-1120

Thanks for the research!!

Ditto. I hope the Carlbrook survivors have the courage to speak up, spread the word to their fellow grads. The deal with these investigations seems to be the state has no impetus to take action until kids start to make complaints.

Quote from: "lk"
Tim Brace told everyone about "sucking cock for crack" but only because he wanted to show how dark his life had gotten and if he could rise up, so could we. Still, it seemed like he would say it not just to bond with us but also partially for shock value...I don't know...he is definitely a used car salesman but I think he swallows his own bullshit, you know?

yes

Quote from: "lk"
Like I think he genuinely believes in what he does, and I'm not sure if that makes it better or worse. Scary to think about.

Well it definitely makes it more sad. I think most of these staff mean well. But on the other hand most of them have degrees in something else, don't have even a teaching credential or an MFT in counseling, and haven't been getting anything but the most minimal sort of continuing education. I think the way you can succeed in working in one of these programs without any training etc is very seductive. Suddenly these people are doing something that seems meaningful and they get to feel like an expert—they think they know better than the medical establishment, etc—and kids are hugging them and parents are thanking them and then there's all the BS about how they're "saving lives." To me it's terribly arrogant.  
 
Quote from: "lk"
I have so much anger inside me right now towards Carlbrook. I'm just now starting to realize how horrifically manipulative it was...not just while I was there but NOW. I feel like my brain works differently now. I get so scared and anxious in random situations because I have this fear of...well, I'm not sure what I'm afraid of.

like you get up to take a leak in the middle of the night and you just get this disorderly feeling, like everything is a howling mess?

Quote from: "lk"
But it's the same crippling fear I felt at Carlbrook, of being "bad" or getting in trouble or having everything taken away. Carlbrook messed with my psychologically and I don't feel like that's ever going to go away. My therapist says the therapy that I got there created a need for more therapy to undo that therapy, ironically enough. He says I exhibit a lot of the same symptoms that his vets with PTSD do. I hate this, feeling like my mind's been violated. Were we really behaviorally modified? How can Carlbrook control me so much even when I'm not there? Help.

first few times i smoked pot after i got out i had terrible flashbacks. saw the staff's faces in my mind scolding me. evil imagos

Ears & lk I was glad to hear what yall had to say. Thanks.
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Re: What about
« Reply #175 on: November 27, 2009, 08:58:16 PM »
Just found this other Carlbrook thread http://http://fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=20531
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Re: What about
« Reply #176 on: November 27, 2009, 09:27:11 PM »
Speaking of Carlbrook, have any of you survivors checked out the recent fracas regarding Mount Batchelors.  I'd be interested to know how similar Carlbrook's workshops are to LifeSteps, which MBA got in trouble for.
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Re: What about
« Reply #177 on: November 27, 2009, 09:57:31 PM »
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Speaking of Carlbrook, have any of you survivors checked out the recent fracas regarding Mount Batchelors.  I'd be interested to know how similar Carlbrook's workshops are to LifeSteps, which MBA got in trouble for.

I am a former Mount Bachelor Academy student. Judging by this, there is a lot of overlap. The first two sound more or less the same as MBA's.

At MBA we never had to do "the lifeboat exercise" or write our own obituaries.

To any former Carlbrook students, I am interested to hear anything you have to say about the isolation room.
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Re: What about
« Reply #178 on: November 29, 2009, 08:33:39 PM »
There was no "isolation room." We had Suspension, which was the redecorated Girl's Lounge, I think. Basically, it's a room with four columns of small metal school desks facing towards the wall. A larger office desk is in the back of the room; the securitas sits there and makes sure the kids follow the rules. Near the securitas' desk is a counter with cupboards underneath. Peanut butter, jelly, bread, chips, apples, and plastic silverware are kept in here (the kids aren't allowed to go out of the room for most meals). There's also a mini-fridge for leftover dinners.

In the Suspension Room, you're not allowed to turn around or look at anyone else. You're on bans with the whole school, including staff members (no talking/looking at/communicating with/acknowledging in any way the existence of anyone except for senior staff members that INITIATE contact with you - like if you're walking in line and Tim Brace says hi, you can say hi back but can't go any further (ie asking him how his day is going, etc.) unless he specifically asks you a question).

You are allowed to ask four questions a day: "May I go to the bathroom?" "May I get a cup of water?" "I have a medical emergency, can I go to the nurse/can you call an ambulance?" You need to raise your hand and wait to be called on to ask these questions (which can be annoying since the Securitas rarely look up from their desk and since you can't wave your arm around/turn around, you're just stuck there with your arm up for sometimes as much as 10 minutes).

You can't spend more than 3 minutes in the bathroom for bodily functions and 7 minutes if you're changing your clothes after recreation time.

Suspension is, as a result of a recent change, allowed to eat breakfast in the Dining Hall but they are segregated from the rest of the school and sit at tables on bans. They eat lunch and dinner in the Suspension room and get the gross leftovers that the rest of the school ate the night before.

Suspension is responsible for cleaning up after the rest of the school, especially on weekends. It's really humiliating. Basically, Suspension is the school's bitch.

You are not allowed to have any contact with anyone in the dorms. Like I said, you're on bans with the whole school all the time (except for one appointment per day) if you're in Out-of-School Suspension (OSS). You're on bans with the whole school except during school hours (8:00-3:15, excluding your lunch because you're back on bans/in suspension for lunch) if you're in In-School Suspension (ISS). Typically, an average Suspension student is on Pre-Animus bans but these can be lowered or raised depending on the severity of the behavior that landed you in suspension (someone who's is OSS for attempting to start a sex underground would probably be on Pre-Veneratio bans and opposite gender bans (depending on their sexuality) as well as Personal Bans with the people that he/she tried to start the underground with, whereas someone who's in ISS for being too hard on themselves and having low self-esteem might be put on less strict bans by their Adviser, maybe pre-Amicitia). Also, EVERYONE in suspension (ISS or OSS) is on bans with EVERYONE else in suspension and EVERYONE who is on an Action Plan (which is like Suspension Jr. You're generally on an Action Plan before and/or after you're in Suspension).

Suspension sucks. I know a few Securitas have quit because they think that Suspension is inhumane treatment. Honestly, yes, Suspension is degrading and infuriating and inconvenient and humiliating, but it's not abuse. It sucks. No one's denying that. Depending on the kid, it can help. But again, depending on the kid, anything can help. It's pretty much up to the kid. Suspension is awful but it is NOT - it is NOT - abuse. I feel like labeling Suspension as abusive is like accusing Tim Brace of pedophilia -- it's another flare being sent up to distract from the real issues. It's a lie and it's an exaggeration that undermines the REAL problems and the real things that Carlbrook graduates have the say.

I was in a mental hospital for a month of inpatient and a week of outpatient in 2005 (I was at Carlbrook 2007-2008). (Those two facts, along with everything else I have said so far, probably identify me to anyone who knew me there but whatever, I don't care.) There was a Quiet Room at the mental hospital. I saw kids get tasered and beaten and locked in there. I fell asleep to them screaming. It was the loneliest, most terrifying, most confusing time of my life. Comparing the Quiet Room to Suspension is ludicrous. Yeah, I'm not going to deny it, Suspension seriously fucks with your head. But there's no comparison between Suspension -- where there are PB&J sandwiches, heat, bathrooms, and a movie (albeit a lame educational one with a moral message like Rudy and Gandhi) every weekend -- and a Quiet Room -- where there's nothing but padded white walls, menacing orderlies clinking unlabeled pills in a pleated white paper cup, and a petrified, howling 13-year-old boy banging on the small window all through the night.
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Re: What about
« Reply #179 on: November 29, 2009, 08:56:27 PM »
Something that fucks with your head *IS* abuse. Sorry you don't see that.
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