What about "Carlbrook School"?

[cooltherapy]

Extra special protip to The Dude: Don't tell *anyone*, except maybe a good lawyer or if you're in court, your real name in conjunction with your actual experiences at Carlbrook, until you turn 18 or become emancipated. Just don't.

Please stop suggesting lawyers and pressing charges. It is incredibly obnoxious.

[Anne Bonney]

Extra special protip to The Dude: Don't tell *anyone*, except maybe a good lawyer or if you're in court, your real name in conjunction with your actual experiences at Carlbrook, until you turn 18 or become emancipated. Just don't.

Please stop suggesting lawyers and pressing charges. It is incredibly obnoxious.

Why?

[cooltherapy]

Because no one is going to do it until there is a bigger group of people who have come together to take a stand. Doing something like this alone would be self-sabotage. None of the other grads would forgive us. Not because there is something wrong with them but because they haven't come to terms with it yet. Give it a rest. That would be a positive outcome but it is going to take some time and energy.

[Anonymous]

I completely agree with cooltherapy. Even though for a lot of us, to combat these places and finally take them down seems ideal, it’s not in our power right now. The only thing we are doing by suggesting something like that in this point in time is hurting our chances of doing something in the future. We do however need a forum where people that did go to Carlbrook can talk anonymously about their experiences and feelings. It should definitely be public though so other people can see what we're discussing and maybe join it. However, there does need to be a username system so we know people aren't impersonating others.

[Anonymous]

So in other words, "cooltherapy", what you want to be able to do is control the dissent so that nobody at Carlbrook actually ends up getting in trouble for what they've done.

Nice try.

If you have been wronged in such a way that is against the law (hint: child abuse is against the law), you are entitled to legal recourse in the civil and possibly the criminal justice system. The "other grads" forgiving you is completely meaningless to this. Odds are, many of them have greivances as well and your individual cases can be combined into a class action.

If you don't know whether or not you have a case, an attorney (and only an attorney) is qualified to tell you. Be sure to tell the attorney everything you experienced at Carlbrook.

[Anonymous]

Because no one is going to do it until there is a bigger group of people who have come together to take a stand. Doing something like this alone would be self-sabotage. None of the other grads would forgive us. Not because there is something wrong with them but because they haven't come to terms with it yet. Give it a rest. That would be a positive outcome but it is going to take some time and energy.

You can deal with Carlbrook School however you want to.  Ignore people who pressure you to sue Carlbrook School.

[Anonymous]

So in other words, "cooltherapy", what you want to be able to do is control the dissent so that nobody at Carlbrook actually ends up getting in trouble for what they've done.

Nice try.

If you have been wronged in such a way that is against the law (hint: child abuse is against the law), you are entitled to legal recourse in the civil and possibly the criminal justice system. The "other grads" forgiving you is completely meaningless to this. Odds are, many of them have greivances as well and your individual cases can be combined into a class action.

If you don't know whether or not you have a case, an attorney (and only an attorney) is qualified to tell you. Be sure to tell the attorney everything you experienced at Carlbrook.

Can you read? Cooltherapy has clearly stated that it would be impossible to take Carlbrook to the court room and it is more important for people that have been affiliated with Carlbrook (staff, graduates, etc.) to speak freely without the threat of sacrifice. I have said similar things too. The problem with forming any type of case, including class action, would be that we would have no chance of winning. Carlbrook's "success" rate is too high and to the best of my knowledge at least, no one has ever been physically abused at Carlbrook. Any judge who hears that would easily suffice into thinking the tons of mental abuse is fair game. Moreover, the skeptics of Carlbrook right now are not only few in number, but uncollected. Every person, (even me) is worried what people would think if they found out how they felt and to what level they feel that way. These worries have caused secondary anxiety because for many people, they think they’re alone in the matter. For those reasons (as well as others!), it’s pointless to consider legal action right now. However, by using a social utility where people can speak freely about Carlbrook, hopefully a larger group will form which would create a sense of legitimacy in the court room.

[Anonymous]

Cooltherapy > Trolls will pressure you to sue Carlbrook School, write a legally binding complaint for ISAC or consult with Angela Smith of HEAL.

[Anonymous]

Or inform state regulators, Senators (particularly those sitting on H. R. 911), or other various political entities.

Oh, those dastardly trolls! How dare they suggest actual actions in spite of what some anonymous fellow abuse survivor may or may not think of the process? How dare they actually, y'know, take steps that might result in someone STOPPING THE FUCKING ABUSE? Nah! We couldn't possibly have that! That'd be horrible and wrong (for Carlbrook). We need to huddle together and be victims forever. That's the way to go.

[Anonymous]

Sounds like Dimitri cut short the program.  Kicked out or pulled by the parents?

The top guy is not Tim Brace.  It is Grant Price.
Tim Brace is not abusive.

More bullshit on fornits.

Tim Brace IS abusive.  I used to work there.  I saw Tim Brace laying on a sofa WITH a male student with his arms wrapped around him.  It was disgusting.

[Anonymous]

Tim Brace IS abusive. I used to work there. I saw Tim Brace laying on a sofa WITH a male student with his arms wrapped around him. It was disgusting.

That's your cynical Chicken Little attitude. Tim Brace may be a lot of things but he is NOT a child molester. Look, I graduated from Carlbrook in 2008, I do NOT think that it helped me, I DO have huge problems with many of the staff and disagree with many of the practices but it is ridiculous and detrimental to make false accusations. As someone who would have no reason to "protect the cult" or whatever melodramatic label you want to put on it, I am telling you that Tim Brace, despite whatever issues you might have with his practices, would never intentionally hurt a child, mentally or physically. He was touchy-feely but NOT IN AN INAPPROPRIATE WAY.

By throwing out untrue crap like "Tim Brace is a pedo" or "Andy Coe is a liar" is not only RIDICULOUS but also DETRIMENTAL. By spewing out slander, you're undermining the TRUE problems that people are speaking up about regarding Carlbrook.

[Anonymous]

That's your cynical Chicken Little attitude. Tim Brace may be a lot of things but he is NOT a child molester. Look, I graduated from Carlbrook in 2008, I do NOT think that it helped me, I DO have huge problems with many of the staff and disagree with many of the practices but it is ridiculous and detrimental to make false accusations. As someone who would have no reason to "protect the cult" or whatever melodramatic label you want to put on it, I am telling you that Tim Brace, despite whatever issues you might have with his practices, would never intentionally hurt a child, mentally or physically. He was touchy-feely but NOT IN AN INAPPROPRIATE WAY.

By throwing out untrue crap like "Tim Brace is a pedo" or "Andy Coe is a liar" is not only RIDICULOUS but also DETRIMENTAL. By spewing out slander, you're undermining the TRUE problems that people are speaking up about regarding Carlbrook.

I'm going to have to side with you. When I was there, yes Tim Brace's touchyfeeleyness made me uncomfortable at times, but I don't think that should have any weight for our REAL detriments at Carlbrook. At the same time however, I don't want to discount the whole "hugging" thing because I'm positive that has affected students negatively in some way or another. The hugging at Carlbrook wasn’t something that was there to make people feel safe, but it was really used to see how you were adjusting to Carlbrook. For example, I was called out in group by my advisor for not wanting to lay down with other guys during last light.

[anythinganyone]

Because no one is going to do it until there is a bigger group of people who have come together to take a stand. Doing something like this alone would be self-sabotage. None of the other grads would forgive us. Not because there is something wrong with them but because they haven't come to terms with it yet. Give it a rest. That would be a positive outcome but it is going to take some time and energy.

Lol, do you guys actually hear yourselves?  I mean, my understand is that your saying Carlbrook is controlling and abusive and uses mind-fuckery.  Do you not realise the unwillingness to speak up and take legal action is what Carlbrook wants, and why they encourage the grads to be so high horse and judgemental, creating a kind of exclusive tight-knit cult of Carlbrook graduates where everyone's afraid to saw an opinion that's too incendiary, enforcing and fueling the cult mentality of falling into other people's acceptance in exchange for your self-respect and justice?

Now, I certainly concur with the point that a court case may not go much of anywhere, but at the same, I'd really recommend you giuys really think about why the hell it's so damn important what some brainwashed folks who've fallen so deep that without question they would ostracise you for failing to fully comply and be brainwashed like them think of you.  I mean, really, let go?

[Anonymous]

Tim Brace IS abusive. I used to work there. I saw Tim Brace laying on a sofa WITH a male student with his arms wrapped around him. It was disgusting.

That's your cynical Chicken Little attitude. Tim Brace may be a lot of things but he is NOT a child molester. Look, I graduated from Carlbrook in 2008, I do NOT think that it helped me, I DO have huge problems with many of the staff and disagree with many of the practices but it is ridiculous and detrimental to make false accusations. As someone who would have no reason to "protect the cult" or whatever melodramatic label you want to put on it, I am telling you that Tim Brace, despite whatever issues you might have with his practices, would never intentionally hurt a child, mentally or physically. He was touchy-feely but NOT IN AN INAPPROPRIATE WAY.

By throwing out untrue crap like "Tim Brace is a pedo" or "Andy Coe is a liar" is not only RIDICULOUS but also DETRIMENTAL. By spewing out slander, you're undermining the TRUE problems that people are speaking up about regarding Carlbrook.

Chicken Little attitude?? LMAO!  That was cute.  I NEVER said he was a child molester.  And no where in my post did I make any false accusations.  What I said that it was disgusting to see a grown man SPOONING on the sofa with a young man.  It would have been equally disgusting if he was laying with a young girl.  You can say all you want that it wasn't inapporpriate, but in MY eyes it was.  Being the mother of 3 teens, I would have been greatly disturbed to see a grown man laying with my son, spoon fashion, cuddling, stroking his hair and whispering in his ear.  Maybe when you grow up and have children of your own you will understand where I'm coming from.  The children at Carlbrook had enough problems without having to add their peers see them spooning on the sofa with another man and then having to listen to others question their sexuality and possibly questioning it themselves. BTW, I didn't say Andy is a liar. I never even mentioned his name.  I actually like Andy AND just to be clear, I like Tim.  I don't think he is a bad person...just bad choices.  I honestly loved "most" of the staff...everyone except Grant.  

[Anonymous]

Oh the underground--that whole group where everyone got "busted" was insane--I remember coming back from another group that day (ok, I was a goody two shoes) and listening upstairs in the commons while Grant went insane. I graduated in May 06, and still have nightmares about Carlbrook.  I've done surprisingly well out in the "real world," but Carlbrook definitely made things more difficult out here.
P.S. not a Tim Brace fan--he always took the guy's side, as toolish as they could be. It was really frustrating if you were a girl and had negative interactions with one of his favorites. Same thing with Jen McArthur, but I don't think she works there anymore.