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Re: What about
« Reply #150 on: November 20, 2009, 02:35:28 AM »
Also, though I'm not a Tim Brace fan, it's not ok all of you are completely maligning his name when you have no proof.
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« Reply #151 on: November 20, 2009, 01:18:11 PM »
I went to Carlbrook, graduated a couple years ago, don't think about it much now.

It sucked while I was there, I was always terrified of the staff, had no personal freedoms, and missed the oppurtunity to actually go to high school and develop into a young adult like everyone else. My educational consultant was also good friends with the owner's mother, and from the day my parents walked into her office to talk about me, before she knew a thing about me, she knew I was going to Carlbrook. That being said, it was only a couple years and wasn't that big of a deal in retrospect.

The worst thing about it, for me at least, is that it always felt as if it had been designed more for the parents than for the students (or inmates if you want to be a prick about it.) The staff spent at least as much time, if not more, talking to our parents as they spent talking to us. After all, they were the ones paying the bill. The point was never really to "save the students lives" as they were so fond of saying, but to convince the parents that the students lives were being saved. It always felt a bit fucked up to me, because I spent half my sixteenth, my entire seventeenth, and a good bit of my eighteenth years there, and it always felt that I was there counting the days and living in fear, all so that my parents could tell themselves that they were "doing the right thing" or "making the hard choice," And those are good years that I will never get back.

What it comes down to is everyone is benefiting from Carlbrook at the students expense. The parents are basically paying for peace of mind, so that they get to feel a little bit better about the children they had been ignoring until it became inconvenient enough that they decided to outsource their parental responsibility. The (extremely underqualified and, with very few exceptions, quite stupid) staff gets to go home every night, pat themselves on the back for "saving a kid's life" or "making a real difference in the world," then crack a beer, watch monday night football and fuck their wife, and of course, if a student were to do any one of those things, they would be in the woods the next day. And the owners get paid, although they pretend they don't. They've got parents paying more than it costs to go to Harvard to have their kids sleep 4 to a room in glorified trailers, that money must go somewhere.

My point of view is, if you are considering sending your kid away, think long and hard about why, and about where their problems come from, because in general the parents are just as much to blame for problems in family dynamics as kids, if not more. Once your kid is in the system everyone is going to work as hard as they can to get you to keep them in it, that's how they make their living, and although you'll probably be paying through the nose for whatever program you send them to, your kid is going to pay for your decision with what should have been some of the best years of their lives, and they'll never get them back.
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Re: What about
« Reply #152 on: November 20, 2009, 01:59:22 PM »
Good insights, afs. Sorry you were robbed of so much of your youth, and I hope your life is better now. It sounds like through your own resilience you have been able to go forward.

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Re: What about
« Reply #153 on: November 20, 2009, 09:24:46 PM »
afs, you have some good points there.

My family changed a lot from the program, for the better, but I still felt like my parents held it over my head how much the program cost.  I feel like Carlbrook really does make the parents feel like they've done this "amazing" work, and I'm not saying my parents didn't, but it took a while for my parents at least to understand just how hard it was to be there.  They also took Carlbrook's suggestions a bit far, especially about things in college--I wasn't allowed to go through greek recruitment my freshman year because "Carlbrook said it would be bad"--and funny enough, I've made some amazing friendships through the system I think Carlbrook would approve of.

I went to Carlbrook because of a lot of emotional insecurities in high school, and it was a big shock to suddenly move from a relatively sheltered environment to being around kids who had done things like dealt drugs, had addiction problems, gotten into issues with the law, etc.  That said, those kids became some of my best friends as when it all boiled down to it, we had similar emotional issues.  I am grateful for that eye-opening experience which made me a lot more compassionate towards others and got me off my high horse.

However, it was really frustrating, to me at least, how much some staff tried to convince me I belonged there, it was like they tore me down from day 1.  My parents later admitted to me that Kelly Dunbar, the admittance counselor, didn't even want to let me in at first because I didn't have "serious enough issues."  I didn't have bad grades, I had been pretty involved in school, and they attacked that.  The girls could also be vicious at first--I didn't gain as much weight as a lot of people because I loved running and older girls would keep telling me how much weight I would gain eventually.  I wasn't allowed to hold positions on committees or even be on some because I was told that "perfection" was my coping mechanism--which, in a sense, was true, but it was frustrating because I never felt like I got that sense of "ok, I'm doing well here."  I'm almost scared to write that on here now for fear of being recognized, having staff read this and be like "oh, so and so never changed."  It's funny how you still want their approval regardless of if you know you are doing well.  It's also ironic that some of the kids that did hold positions have done much worse out here in the real world, and that my angry sense of "ok, you think I can't do this? Screw you" that I got from some Carlbrook experiences has, for me at least, led to a fairly productive life so far and some great accomplishments.

There were some amazing staff members at Carlbrook who truly reached out to me and got me through and I still communicate with. Funny enough, I got close to those staff who weren't as in your face or the ones who were a bit renegade--basically the ones who truly cared about the kids. I found my passion and future career path there, but I don't know, if I could go back and decide my life path, if I would choose to go through all that.  Being in college, it's hard to explain why people don't know what your high school was, why you didn't have a prom, etc. I feel a lot more mature than a lot of my peers, but I also feel very disconnected, and like afs said, like I missed out on some formative years of my life.  With the sport I'm in (if I say it, I will identify myself, so just leaving it at that), it's been a hard catch-up game to participate in college and explain why you're so passionate about it yet couldn't participate in high school. Freshman year going to practice was a huge frustration as it was a constant reminder of how I missed out on two years of something I loved and sometimes it still is because I'll never be as good as those who had the chance to participate all through high school.  With my sport, it's time you can't get back.

So, I guess if there are parents on here reading this, think long and hard about it. Don't hold it against your kid, and realize how hard the school really is.
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Re: What about
« Reply #154 on: November 21, 2009, 08:08:54 PM »
cbgrad is 100% right
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Re: What about
« Reply #155 on: November 25, 2009, 03:13:55 PM »
F U C K
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Tim Brace
« Reply #156 on: November 25, 2009, 03:54:09 PM »
Tim Brace was the director of mount bachelor academy for awhile. He had the same job as Sharon Bitz did until MBA got its license suspended and Aspen shut it down. MBA and Sharon Bitz personally were cited by Oregon for a number of kinds of child abuse, you can find this on other boards or on the web. I witnessed much of the same happen under Tim Brace and I saw him do a lot of it myself.

in his first meeting there he announced to the whole school that he used to "suck cock for crack" - his words
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Re: What about
« Reply #157 on: November 25, 2009, 03:56:46 PM »
Well, duh. How do you think he got the job?
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Re: What about
« Reply #158 on: November 25, 2009, 04:19:06 PM »
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Re: What about
« Reply #159 on: November 25, 2009, 04:22:15 PM »
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Re: What about
« Reply #160 on: November 25, 2009, 04:32:27 PM »
Quote from: "summoned guest"
Tim Brace was the director of mount bachelor academy for awhile. He had the same job as Sharon Bitz did until MBA got its license suspended and Aspen shut it down. MBA and Sharon Bitz personally were cited by Oregon for a number of kinds of child abuse, you can find this on other boards or on the web. I witnessed much of the same happen under Tim Brace and I saw him do a lot of it myself.

I was there when he was there. couldn't stand that guy. reminded me of a car salesman. but touchy-feely, gross. hugs with rubbing

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in his first meeting there he announced to the whole school that he used to "suck cock for crack" - his words

was there too. summoned guest did you see that come up one of the mba facebook pages?
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Re: What about
« Reply #161 on: November 25, 2009, 04:43:13 PM »
FUCK
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Re: What about
« Reply #162 on: November 25, 2009, 04:48:26 PM »
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Quote from: "summoned guest"
Tim Brace was the director of mount bachelor academy for awhile. He had the same job as Sharon Bitz did until MBA got its license suspended and Aspen shut it down. MBA and Sharon Bitz personally were cited by Oregon for a number of kinds of child abuse, you can find this on other boards or on the web. I witnessed much of the same happen under Tim Brace and I saw him do a lot of it myself.

I was there when he was there. couldn't stand that guy. reminded me of a car salesman. but touchy-feely, gross. hugs with rubbing

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in his first meeting there he announced to the whole school that he used to "suck cock for crack" - his words

was there too. summoned guest did you see that come up one of the mba facebook pages?
bump
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Re: What about
« Reply #163 on: November 25, 2009, 04:50:15 PM »
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Re: What about
« Reply #164 on: November 25, 2009, 04:52:35 PM »
Quote from: "bad memories"
Quote from: "summoned guest"
Tim Brace was the director of mount bachelor academy for awhile. He had the same job as Sharon Bitz did until MBA got its license suspended and Aspen shut it down. MBA and Sharon Bitz personally were cited by Oregon for a number of kinds of child abuse, you can find this on other boards or on the web. I witnessed much of the same happen under Tim Brace and I saw him do a lot of it myself.

I was there when he was there. couldn't stand that guy. reminded me of a car salesman. but touchy-feely, gross. hugs with rubbing

Quote from: "summoned guest"
in his first meeting there he announced to the whole school that he used to "suck cock for crack" - his words

was there too. summoned guest did you see that come up one of the mba facebook pages?
bump
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