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Questions about Carlbrook
« Reply #195 on: December 11, 2009, 03:20:02 AM »
Some questions for anyone who wants to talk about Carlbrook

about the workshops:
Is there any role-playing? I mean, something where the staff assigns a character for you to act out?
In the Amicitia, how physical is the circle of exclusion?
Are there horeshoe-style groups where you only get "feedback"? How harsh does it get?
Are there exercise where you call yourself names? In which you call your parents names?
In the Animus, what's the "pillow fighting" about? What other bioenergetic exercises are there? Are you ever restrained under a sheet by the group? Do they do the one where you have to bite towel and pull on it?
They make you watch Requiem for a Dream, right? Other stuff? Under-age kids watching this?

about request group:
Do people get called names? Yelled at?
How harsh does the "feedback" get?
Are people ever supposed to yell out the floor?

about punishments in general
How often are you supposed to do honor lists? Just in workshops?
Do you ever have to do manual labor? If so what kind of work? For how long at a time? Only if you break a major rule, or...?

I'm going to post this on the other Carlbrook list too. Sorry for the repeat
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Re: What about
« Reply #196 on: December 12, 2009, 06:57:57 AM »
about the workshops:
Is there any role-playing? I mean, something where the staff assigns a character for you to act out?
Tons. I can't think of it all but there's a bit in every workshop and some in regular groups if you're in a Sally group or an Andy group. In Amicitia, you push people out of the circle of friendship. In Animus, you go to your own funeral/read your obituaries/die/get buried/rise from the dead/etc. You also have to act out your negative sculpture (you know, shooting yourself in the head, having your legs open like a whore, snorting coke, whatever your issue is). You also fight for a spot on the "lifeboats." In Teneo, you go from being born to turning into a rose or something weird like that the last day. Also in Teneo, you have to act out 3 of your "roles" and use people in your peer group as other characters. I can't remember the other bits.
In the Amicitia, how physical is the circle of exclusion?
I don't know about other people's experience but in mine it wasn't like kids were getting punched or anything. You know, you'd shove them out and stuff but everyone was pretty half-hearted about it. I don't know, those acting-it-out scenarios never "worked" for me.
Are there horeshoe-style groups where you only get "feedback"? How harsh does it get?
Yeah, in the first two workshops. Integritas is the harshest probably. You get "monster," "victim," "pathetic," "worthless," "unlovable," "disgusting," etc written on a card and taped on your shirt. I've heard some really fucked-up feedback in those circles...I'm trying to think of the worst..."cum-dumpster," "n****r-lover," etc...or people just bringing up other people's disclosures and using them against them.
Are there exercise where you call yourself names? In which you call your parents names?
I think you kind of call yourself names the whole time with your negative statements, lies, etc. You yell at your parents (aka the floor) in Integritas. You hit/yell at/rage against your parents (aka pillows) in Veneratio.
In the Animus, what's the "pillow fighting" about? What other bioenergetic exercises are there? Are you ever restrained under a sheet by the group? Do they do the one where you have to bite towel and pull on it?
Raise arms over head, brings hands down on pillow and sort of make it an entire-body type of exercise. Yell. Fight Night in Teneo is the one where you pull on the towel and scream and push against your peers. No biting though. Can't remember the other bioenergetics.
They make you watch Requiem for a Dream, right? Other stuff? Under-age kids watching this?
You watch like the last 10 minutes of RFAD in Veneratio. Most kids are 18 by the time they graduate but some aren't. I heard they recently got rid of that part though because word got out and they didn't want to get in trouble. It was a pretty horrifying 10 minutes...double-headed dildoes assfucking Jennifer Connelly, shock treatment on the old woman...revolting. It was effective, though.

about request group:
Do people get called names? Yelled at?
Not random named. Like you can't call someone an asshole - it has to be "you're ACTING LIKE an asshole." People do get railed a lot though by staff and peers. Sometimes it's in a constructive way, like you can tell they're yelling because they care but sometimes it's just spiteful, angry bullshit.
How harsh does the "feedback" get?
Very. There's really no other way to say that. Very, very, very harsh.
Are people ever supposed to yell out the floor?
All the time. It's called "running anger."

about punishments in general
How often are you supposed to do honor lists? Just in workshops?
In workshops, before workshops, in suspension, on action plans, if your adviser suspects you've done something bad.
Do you ever have to do manual labor? If so what kind of work? For how long at a time? Only if you break a major rule, or...?
Out-of-school suspensioners work with the maintenance crew - gardening, mowing, digging up tree stumps, raking, etc. And of course everyone cleans. Everyone is always effing cleaning. Wake up, clean your dorm, clean your mod. Before you go to sleep, clean your dorm. After dinner, crews either run jugs (deliver water jugs to various locations around campus while carrying them on their backs and running), cleaning the dining hall/kitchen, or running/cleaning the Commons. You get a crew or multiple crews for minor infractions (didn't wear a belt, bra strap showing, messy dorm, disrespect, cutting across the grass, swearing, spitting without asking, leaving a personal item unattended, late homework, talking back to a staff, etc.). Suspension is for more serious things (lying, cheating, etc.) or if you need "time alone to work on your emotions" or whatever.
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Re: What about
« Reply #197 on: December 12, 2009, 07:16:19 AM »
And no, we were never restrained by the group with a sheet. The workshops sucked but I don't think they crossed a line. I mean...ugh, it's complicated. I think so much of what went on in there was unnecessary and sometimes damaging but I don't think they did anything ABUSIVE, you know? Like, nothing that was illegal or crazy like those psycho therapists that stage fake birth canals and accidentally smother the kids (does anyone remember that case from a few years ago?).

I think the problem with workshops is that they're scripted. They're not individualized for the specific kids in the specific workshop. It's like manufacturing 20 extra-large t-shirts for 20 kids. You need to make them extra-large because the kids are all different sizes and this way, every kid will at least have clothing on his back even if he or she is swimming in fabric. It's better than to have a kid not be able to fit in the t-shirt, right? So everyone's wearing these extra-large t-shirts. For some kids, the t-shirts fit fine. For others, it's a little uncomfortable, you know, baggy and annoying but okay. For some, it goes down to their knees and when they go outside, it doesn't protect them from the sun and they have this awful weird-shaped sunburn because of the way the shirt fits and...okay. Never mind. This metaphor sucks. Sorry about this, guys.

But basically, they're doing a one-size-fits-all workshop when they need to think about what is going to work FOR and WITH the kids in the workshop. They need to spend more time making 20 different t-shirts in the right size for the right kid. The problem with the workshops is that they do EVERYTHING. They know that some kids are visual learners/experiential learners/etc. So they need to reach each kid. So they throw in some acting-it-out exercises, some bioenergetic exercises, some visualizations, some feedback circles, some written-out tools, some lectures, some writing assignments...basically throwing in everything and the kitchen sink because they know that everything won't affect everyone but SOMETHING will affect EVERYONE, you know? So they need to cover all of their bases.

The problem is that the kids don't know this. They think they're supposed to "get" EVERYTHING. So when they can't connect with something, they think something's wrong with them and fake it and feel like shit. Or, worse, they try to FORCE themselves to do it, to feel it, and end up breaking themselves a little bit. Or the staff try to force it and break something. It's just bad.

Sorry, I sound like an idiot. But hopefully you get what I'm saying.
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« Reply #198 on: December 14, 2009, 04:06:28 AM »
I graduated from Carlbrook School in 2003.  I have recently been in conversation with a close friend who's 16 year old sister is heading down the same road as I was- one whose focus was not on embettering my life or finishing HS but rather pushing the limits of society and authority.  With most other disciplinary options tried and failed they were looking for anything more that could help.  This forced me to again personally reflect on my Carlbrook experience, but to do so with added views of the parents and siblings throughout the process.  

 Initially being sent to wilderness schools and later Carlbrook felt like punishment- how could it not?  My parents were taking me out of my "comfortable" environment and I had no control over the matter. Both of these were devastating.  I lost my "freedom" to do what I wanted and was forced to go to groups and have all aspects of my life and behavior judged and critiqued. It was next to impossible to even consider the effort and energy that my friends, family, schools and ed consultants were expelling during this limbo period in order to get my life on the right track.  For years, I harbored anger, hate and disdain towards many of decisions that my parents made in attempts to steer me in the right direction, but now am beginning to see that they did all they did out of concern and love.

The academics and extracurricular activities at the school could have been better, but at the time I was there the program was still growing.  I am amazed to see the additions of many new classes and activities that I could have only dreamed of!  A program like Carlbrook is not going to have everything that a prep school or boarding school can offer obviously- we were sent there to focus on ourselves and deeper issues that we did not wish to address- not necessarily academics or extracurriculars, though those do have a place in one's personal development.

As for the advisors- I believe whole heartedly that they wanted what was best for each of us.  Some of what they said and did still confuses me to this day, but I do not think it was done with malice.  I was a stubborn, selfish girl with no regard to how my actions were affecting those around me.  I did not want to hear criticism from others for whom I had deemed worthy of little respect.  I was a teenager.  Isn't the whole philosophy behind Carlbrook to "serve the needs of bright, underachieving students who have historically challenged convention and questioned authority"?  The advisors forced us to the address deeper issues behind our destructive behaviors- which I think very few people ever wish to confront and which many never do.  As awkward and uncomfortable as some of the groups and workshops were they this way for this purpose.

The other students were often more negative than the advisors.  Although you cannot directly call someone names or yell at you- a lot of times the criticism is not controlled and can become manifestations of others' judgements, spite and anger.  However, I don't find this to be much different from human behavior outside of Carlbrook...

Carlbrook is not a quick fix.  I did not go into the program and magically pop out squeaky clean and "cured".  The school was a rest stop along life's path that got me to slow down and stop to think.  My years there taught and reinforced tools that I was able to take with me as I assimilated into adulthood- ways to deal with others and how my actions are affecting others, more positive ways to think, self-reflection, honesty and forgiveness.   Life after Carlbrook on my own was in some ways a more valuable learning experience than the school itself because I was truly responsible for myself and the decisions I made.  I no longer had to abide by rules and "standards" of Carlbrook, but rather the rules and "standards" of life itself.  I have made my fair share of mistakes along the way and have to live with them- that's the way life is.

I have great respect for the work and time that the advisors and teachers devoted to helping me get on my feet and improving my life.  I would not be where I am if Sally M. or Jonathan G. had not pushed me to the deepest and darkest parts of my past and then helped me get back out.  I may not have addressed issues without Grant P's  hardballing attitude and Andy C's shear honesty pushing my buttons.  I might not have gone to the college I chose if Dr. Bender and Justin M. had not pushed me academically to excel.  And I may not have seen the beauty in little things in life had I not heard Tim B's passionate rants and realize the hope they inspired.

I understand that not everyone who attended to Carlbrook will view their experience the way I do, but I hope and wish that eventually from all the negativity and criticism towards the school these students can find something positive and beneficial about the experience.  Be it the friends you made, fun times you had, Mr. Foran's cynicism, the food...something.

If anyone has serious questions or wants to talk further post a reply and I can send you an email.  I hope this helps.
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« Reply #199 on: December 15, 2009, 12:10:46 AM »
Quote from: "Powerful&GivingWoman"
I graduated from Carlbrook School in 2003.  I have recently been in conversation with a close friend who's 16 year old sister is heading down the same road as I was- one whose focus was not on embettering my life or finishing HS but rather pushing the limits of society and authority.  With most other disciplinary options tried and failed they were looking for anything more that could help.  This forced me to again personally reflect on my Carlbrook experience, but to do so with added views of the parents and siblings throughout the process.  

 Initially being sent to wilderness schools and later Carlbrook felt like punishment- how could it not?  My parents were taking me out of my "comfortable" environment and I had no control over the matter. Both of these were devastating.  I lost my "freedom" to do what I wanted and was forced to go to groups and have all aspects of my life and behavior judged and critiqued. It was next to impossible to even consider the effort and energy that my friends, family, schools and ed consultants were expelling during this limbo period in order to get my life on the right track.  For years, I harbored anger, hate and disdain towards many of decisions that my parents made in attempts to steer me in the right direction, but now am beginning to see that they did all they did out of concern and love.

The academics and extracurricular activities at the school could have been better, but at the time I was there the program was still growing.  I am amazed to see the additions of many new classes and activities that I could have only dreamed of!  A program like Carlbrook is not going to have everything that a prep school or boarding school can offer obviously- we were sent there to focus on ourselves and deeper issues that we did not wish to address- not necessarily academics or extracurriculars, though those do have a place in one's personal development.

As for the advisors- I believe whole heartedly that they wanted what was best for each of us.  Some of what they said and did still confuses me to this day, but I do not think it was done with malice.  I was a stubborn, selfish girl with no regard to how my actions were affecting those around me.  I did not want to hear criticism from others for whom I had deemed worthy of little respect.  I was a teenager.  Isn't the whole philosophy behind Carlbrook to "serve the needs of bright, underachieving students who have historically challenged convention and questioned authority"?  The advisors forced us to the address deeper issues behind our destructive behaviors- which I think very few people ever wish to confront and which many never do.  As awkward and uncomfortable as some of the groups and workshops were they this way for this purpose.

The other students were often more negative than the advisors.  Although you cannot directly call someone names or yell at you- a lot of times the criticism is not controlled and can become manifestations of others' judgements, spite and anger.  However, I don't find this to be much different from human behavior outside of Carlbrook...

Carlbrook is not a quick fix.  I did not go into the program and magically pop out squeaky clean and "cured".  The school was a rest stop along life's path that got me to slow down and stop to think.  My years there taught and reinforced tools that I was able to take with me as I assimilated into adulthood- ways to deal with others and how my actions are affecting others, more positive ways to think, self-reflection, honesty and forgiveness.   Life after Carlbrook on my own was in some ways a more valuable learning experience than the school itself because I was truly responsible for myself and the decisions I made.  I no longer had to abide by rules and "standards" of Carlbrook, but rather the rules and "standards" of life itself.  I have made my fair share of mistakes along the way and have to live with them- that's the way life is.

I have great respect for the work and time that the advisors and teachers devoted to helping me get on my feet and improving my life.  I would not be where I am if Sally M. or Jonathan G. had not pushed me to the deepest and darkest parts of my past and then helped me get back out.  I may not have addressed issues without Grant P's  hardballing attitude and Andy C's shear honesty pushing my buttons.  I might not have gone to the college I chose if Dr. Bender and Justin M. had not pushed me academically to excel.  And I may not have seen the beauty in little things in life had I not heard Tim B's passionate rants and realize the hope they inspired.

I understand that not everyone who attended to Carlbrook will view their experience the way I do, but I hope and wish that eventually from all the negativity and criticism towards the school these students can find something positive and beneficial about the experience.  Be it the friends you made, fun times you had, Mr. Foran's cynicism, the food...something.

If anyone has serious questions or wants to talk further post a reply and I can send you an email.  I hope this helps.

In Animus what Sally Martin did was essentially take a shit on my chest. I was called boring and unconvincing because I wasn't having an emotional breakdown fed by "deep" Switchfoot songs and activities where students are forced to scream as loudly as they can in each others' faces (they choose best friends to do it together).

She's gone now and I was stoked when she left.

I sat down with Tim Brace before the final workshop and he halfway expected me to interrogate him on his past. Instead, I passively let him know that if the same shit happened again (aka forced manipulative outward emotion) in Veneratio I would probably walk out. Bulbous blue eyes gleaming, he told me to
"just go along with the process."
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Re: What about
« Reply #200 on: December 17, 2009, 06:23:50 PM »
If you want to talk to Tim directly or maybe send a xmas card to let him know how you feel
Tim Brace     (434) 476-2779     1120 Hummingbird Ln,  South Boston, VA 24592
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Re: What about
« Reply #201 on: December 17, 2009, 09:34:09 PM »
Quote from: "santa"
If you want to talk to Tim directly or maybe send a xmas card to let him know how you feel
Tim Brace     (434) 476-2779     1120 Hummingbird Ln,  South Boston, VA 24592

I got an idea for a christmas card to Tim Brace...
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Dear potential child molester,
Thanks for ruining almost two years of my life. Go listen to some loud music and cry your tears away with teenagers who think you're a pedophile. No matter how many b.s. speeches you give or how many ties you put on, you'll always be a pathetic drug addict in my mind. Enjoy brainwashing people, causing extreme mental trauma to undeserving teenagers, and making a shit load of money off of people's ignorance. Have fun dressing up in suits with the other pathetic losers you call founders and living in a completely idiotic illusion. Do us all a favor. just because you're a failure in life doesn't mean that you need to bring down other people as well. The only kindness you receive is not even sympathy, its pity.

Merry fucking christmas,
Someone you used to say you love

P.S. Maybe this Christmas, you'll give the greatest gift of all and admit that you're full of shit.
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Anyone think he'll read this during a morninig meeting?
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Re: What about
« Reply #202 on: December 18, 2009, 11:39:18 AM »
I don't care what your opinion about Tim Brace is , giving out his personal information is NOT OKAY.
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Re: What about
« Reply #203 on: December 18, 2009, 11:52:00 AM »
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I don't care what your opinion about Tim Brace is , giving out his personal information is NOT OKAY.
Hmm, I'm not sure I agree with you.
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Re: What about
« Reply #204 on: December 18, 2009, 12:04:27 PM »
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I don't care what your opinion about Tim Brace is , giving out his personal information is NOT OKAY.

Why not?
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Re: What about
« Reply #205 on: December 18, 2009, 03:55:46 PM »
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Quote from: "santa"
If you want to talk to Tim directly or maybe send a xmas card to let him know how you feel
Tim Brace     (434) 476-2779     1120 Hummingbird Ln,  South Boston, VA 24592

I got an idea for a christmas card to Tim Brace...
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Dear potential child molester,
Thanks for ruining almost two years of my life. Go listen to some loud music and cry your tears away with teenagers who think you're a pedophile. No matter how many b.s. speeches you give or how many ties you put on, you'll always be a pathetic drug addict in my mind. Enjoy brainwashing people, causing extreme mental trauma to undeserving teenagers, and making a shit load of money off of people's ignorance. Have fun dressing up in suits with the other pathetic losers you call founders and living in a completely idiotic illusion. Do us all a favor. just because you're a failure in life doesn't mean that you need to bring down other people as well. The only kindness you receive is not even sympathy, its pity.

Merry fucking christmas,
Someone you used to say you love

P.S. Maybe this Christmas, you'll give the greatest gift of all and admit that you're full of shit.
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Anyone think he'll read this during a morninig meeting?

 Some survivors report that Carlbrook is an extra-judicial prison.

If this is true, what methods were used to keep you from escaping?

EG, were you watched by "students" who served as guards who were charged with sounding an alarm if you tried to leave? Was extra time added to your sentence of internment if you tried to escape?
Were you held prisoner by means of physical violence or threat of physical violence?
Were there alarms set and doors locked that trapped you?
Were you rendited to a forced march aka "wilderness therapy" program  if you ran and were caught? What methods did the "wilderness therapy" program use to prevent you from escaping?

To former prisoners who are not  brainwashed: please contact ISAC or HEAL about your experience. Carlbrook should be reported to CPS, the police, DHHS. If you don't speak up for yourself and Carlbrook victims, no one else can
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Re: What about
« Reply #206 on: December 18, 2009, 09:12:01 PM »
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I don't care what your opinion about Tim Brace is , giving out his personal information is NOT OKAY.

Why not?

Because it's not just him living in that house, it's his wife and his extended family visits sometimes too. I'd hate for someone to go and harass them all. Writing a letter or expressing your view is fine, it's honorable to stand up for what you believe in, but I wouldn't egging his house or calling them in the middle of the night or anything.

In happier news...congrats to Sigma/Rho/Tau, December '09 grads! They graduated today at 3:00 pm.
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Re: What about
« Reply #207 on: December 19, 2009, 04:46:31 AM »
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I don't care what your opinion about Tim Brace is , giving out his personal information is NOT OKAY.

lk, we elves would agree with you, but he's the one who gave it out. he's listed.

http://www.google.com/search?q=tim+brac ... =firefox-a

also i agree with you

Quote from: "lk"
Writing a letter or expressing your view is fine, it's honorable to stand up for what you believe in, but I wouldn't egging his house or calling them in the middle of the night or anything.

vandalism and harassment are illegal but giving out someone's address and sending that person a letter are not.
"the harder the truth to tell the truer the friend who tells it," they say. by Tim Brace's own definition, anyone who writes him and tells him that what he does is abuse is his really good friend.

speaking of. lk i've wanted to respond to some of your posts here sooner: i appreciate the speaking out you have done on these boards. i understand what a confusing position you must be in. with my experiences and thinkng about the program that i suffered, it has been very hard for me to make sense of the staff who i think of as good and caring and things they did that i have come to understand as abuse.
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Re: What about
« Reply #208 on: December 20, 2009, 08:26:00 PM »
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Quote from: "lk"
I don't abuse.

You go elf!!

By the way. How long do you think its going to take for the new December grads to find this forum? In a very big way, I feel bad for them. Even though what they survived was challenging, none of the benefits that they were promised are going to come true. It is very sad but I can empathize. It is not every day that you are told everything you lived through for the last 2 years has a foundation of lies and b.s. But I will never tell anyone that survives one of these places that everything they did was worthless, because it wasn't. If they didn't put in all that effort, then they wouldn't be here to even read this.

But to all the Carlbrook graduates who have recently graduated or the ones that are just starting to see this stuff, I have a message: It's ok. You're free. You will never be forced to go back there ever again. Carlbrook no longer has anything that they can hold against you such as suspension, action plans, a delayed graduation, crews, or any other pointless and undeserving cruelties. I'm not trying to pressure anyone into feeling anything, but if you do feel in any way that you were cheated in one way or another, let those feelings rise to the surface. You are not alone.
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Re: What about
« Reply #209 on: December 22, 2009, 12:52:54 PM »
lk, Thanks for speaking up.

Quote from: "lk"
Are there horeshoe-style groups where you only get "feedback"? How harsh does it get?
Yeah, in the first two workshops. Integritas is the harshest probably. You get "monster," "victim," "pathetic," "worthless," "unlovable," "disgusting," etc written on a card and taped on your shirt. I've heard some really fucked-up feedback in those circles...I'm trying to think of the worst..."cum-dumpster," "n****r-lover," etc...or people just bringing up other people's disclosures and using them against them.

When they used my disclosures against me, at the time, that was the worst part for me. Now I understand that was a really disturbed violation of my trust. To use a patient's issues against him, as a form of power over him—a therapist could lose his license for something like that. It's a betrayal and abuse. And to do it in front of a group, that's public humiliation. Even at the time--when I was a kid and I thought it was all some kind of therapy and I was full of love for those staff--those moments felt terribly wrong. After the workshops they would nag at me for months. And rightfully so. Once or twice I brought it up and what they shamed me for it. They said I was "in my shit," using some small thing to "take away from the experience," "sabotaging". One of a hundred painful memories of how I wasn't allowed to have boundaries there, how I had no voice.
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