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« Reply #90 on: April 10, 2004, 02:02:00 PM »
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No Ginger. It has Nothing to do with Me - and please don't make us hash over all the PURE stuff again.
You know full well the truth of the situation and its less than honest of you to pretend otherwise.


Karen, what is the "truth of the situation?"
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« Reply #91 on: April 10, 2004, 02:06:00 PM »
Ginger, I suspect the reason no one has answered you is b/c no one who bothers with Fornits knows. I persoanlly have no idea. As I have often said: I am not assocted with PURE. Never have been. If my name was on a volenteer list it was a misunderstanding that has long sence been cleared up - this is what I mean by you knowing - as you do know this.

And you point out:
But Karen, the very first thing you did when Paige started posting anonymously here was to bust out her anonymity!

She could very easily have ignored it if she wanted to. If that had not been the case, I wouldn't have asked as I did.


(I did miss it.
F-13 didn't threaten to slice her up or hack her to peices; nor did he make obscene comments involving God.
Makes all the difference to me. )
 



"You have got to be kidding!"

Not at all.
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« Reply #92 on: April 10, 2004, 02:27:00 PM »
The girl in question is not prohibited from speaking with her parents.  Who ever said that she is, is very misinformed.  Contact with the parents is encouraged.  ALA is an awesome place.  I know as I have been there.  It appears from reading all the notes from Paige, Ginger, and Deborah, and others who do not have children there, that, you are all caught up in a self-created drama.  The girls are in a safe, caring, loving, and clean environment.  The community is quiet.  There is a lot of comradarie between the girls.  It is not a prison.  It is a beautiful facility.  The girls are there because of bad choices they have made in life.  They are there as a result of tough love.  Those who critisize the program, without having any real information, are way off base.  If any of you truly care about the girls, then you will pray for them, and stop doing the devil's work.
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« Reply #93 on: April 10, 2004, 02:31:00 PM »
Comradarie? Then how come Amber and the other girl had to wait for a distraction, sneak over a wall and then evade the ALA search team? And how come ALA proponants later said the two girls walked back all of their own accord, while the prayer request clearly says they were spotted by other girls and brought back?

Look, whoever you are, I assume you believe what you're saying. But I'm not at all sure that what you're saying is entirely true.

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« Reply #94 on: April 10, 2004, 03:00:00 PM »
Ginger, you are obviously not a parent of any of the children who are there.  It is really not any of your concern.  You obviously are into drama, because you keep stirring things up with your comments and off-base input to Paige.  Yes, what I say is true.  I know for a fact.  I am a relative of one of the children there.  I have heard the voice of the girl in question in the background (I know, because I have asked who that was in the background).  There is no yelling, no screaming, not negative anything.  The girls are happy.  They are positive.  They hold each other accountable for negative behavior.  The girls are well cared for.  And, while on the phone, the girl in question has made numerous positive comments about her mom! You have allowed yourself to get sucked up into a drama.  The girl is healthy and she is happy.  I have seen pictures.  They are not being hidden.  They are living in a clean, beautiful house, in a safe community.  I am truly sorry that the woman who adopted the brother is having such a hard time coming to grips with this, but the girl is doing great!  Ginger, are you a parent?  How would you feel about someone trying to stick their nose in and tell you how to raise your children?  The girl is being well fed, has a clean bed with clean bedding to sleep on.   The woman who adopted the brother has not been there.  She has, unfortunately, worked herself up into a frenzy about something she doesn't know.  Life is like that.  We are afraid of the unknown.  She doesn't know and she is afraid.  The girl is fine.  What teenage girl has ever wanted to do something she hasn't wanted to do?  This is not something unique to this girl.  Thank God her parents love her enough to show tough love to get her help before she is out on her own.  At least now, they can help her with the bad choices she makes.  When she is 21 and out on her own, they will not be in a position to help.  Our criminal court system is over run with rebellious individuals who were not shown tough love as teens. As a parent, I know, my choices are not always popular with my kids.  However, my son, who now lives across the country from me, calls me frequently just to say, "I love you mom, have a great day" and "I love you, you're a great mom."  I assure you Ginger, he did not always feel that way.  I made many decisions that did not please him when he was the age of the girl in question.  But, as his parent, I did what I felt was best for his development, even when relatives who did not live with us to see the day to day problems, critisized my decisions.  The child in question is not, and has not lead a sweet innocent life.  This isn't about Paige, this isn't about the girl's mom.  It is about helping this girl to learn to make appropriate choices, and understanding that there are consequenses to her actions.  You know that. For example, if you choose to not pay your bills, you choose to have your electricity turned off.  That is how all of life is.  The girl is making bad choices without looking at the consequences down the road.  It would have had to been a heart breaking choice to make, to send her there, but it was what her parents thought best.  And, her parents are the ones who live with her day to day.  I wish more parents would admit when they need help (as her parents did) and then get it, rather than just tolerate their children's bad behavior, eventually leading to a life in prison.
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« Reply #95 on: April 11, 2004, 12:10:00 AM »
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On 2004-04-10 11:31:00, Antigen wrote:

"Comradarie? Then how come Amber and the other girl had to wait for a distraction, sneak over a wall and then evade the ALA search team? And how come ALA proponants later said the two girls walked back all of their own accord, while the prayer request clearly says they were spotted by other girls and brought back?



Look, whoever you are, I assume you believe what you're saying. But I'm not at all sure that what you're saying is entirely true.




I am sure.  I have first hand facts on the matter, not fifth and sixth hand rumors.  What is important is that the girls are back safe.  Teens do dumb things.  This was a dumb thing.  Dumb things is why the teens are there  in the first place.
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« Reply #96 on: April 11, 2004, 12:23:00 PM »
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On 2004-04-06 14:14:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Does anyone have any hard facts about ALA and its staff? Why is there so much hoopla about this place when no one seems to be shedding any light on what the problem is here or if there truly is a problem. Facts please or shut up."


So where are the facts? Didn't this start sith this person looking for facts? Other than the Student Manual contradicting the actual website of ALA I haven't seen many facts mainly oppinions on this place.
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« Reply #97 on: April 11, 2004, 03:29:00 PM »
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On 2004-04-11 09:23:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2004-04-06 14:14:00, Anonymous wrote:


"Does anyone have any hard facts about ALA and its staff? Why is there so much hoopla about this place when no one seems to be shedding any light on what the problem is here or if there truly is a problem. Facts please or shut up."




So where are the facts? Didn't this start sith this person looking for facts? Other than the Student Manual contradicting the actual website of ALA I haven't seen many facts mainly oppinions on this place."


If you are considering sending your wayward teen there, by all means call them.  They have nothing to hide.  If not, what difference does it make to you?

ALA is a good thing.
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« Reply #98 on: April 11, 2004, 03:37:00 PM »
Karen wrote this: I assume Amanda's parents feel they are following God's direction; and I would not second guess them. If they've made a mistake, I trust God will somehow let them know.

Anon writes this: Maybe God has, by sending Paige.
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« Reply #99 on: April 12, 2004, 03:55:00 PM »
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On 2004-04-06 16:01:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2004-04-06 15:16:00, Anonymous wrote:


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What counts is the PURPOSE and whether or not teens have the right to reject forced indoctrination as the answer to keeping 'em on the straight and narrow.  In my opinion, nobody should be FORCED by their parents into a faith-based school or program because the parent's own religious doctrine tells them their child is obsessed by the wicked ways of the world.  That is an abuse of parental rights.



Wanna try again???

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Your opinion concerning what other parents do with their children is exactly that, your opinion.  It has no bearing on the parents.
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« Reply #100 on: April 12, 2004, 04:06:00 PM »
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On 2004-04-09 07:01:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Hey, nutbar---even though he lived in a commie country, the Gonzalez dad wanted his son *home to live with him*---not to ship him away to Miss Minchin's Select Seminary for Young Ladies.



Anybody who wants to ship their kid off somewhere against the kid's will has *no* leg to stand on when a fit adult, be it friend or relative, wants to offer that kid a place in the adult's wholesome, stable home.



Shipping your kid, unwilling, off to some institution to live is the next thing to child abandonment.  I think the courts should give custody to any responsible adult who knows the kid, and can offer a stable home environment, that the kid will accept.



Unless, of course, the kid is a candidate for involuntary commitment based on being an immediate danger to himself or others, and is placed in a *real* mental institution to be stabilized on medication and then released back home.



There are real grounds for involuntary commitment.  There are also spurious grounds.  There are a lot more pain in the ass teens than there are teens who would meet the adult criteria for involuntary commitment.  "


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« Reply #101 on: April 12, 2004, 04:09:00 PM »
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On 2004-04-09 07:05:00, Anonymous wrote:

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As for your example of the Elian ordeal- I see Paige as the parent in this situation, attempting to get a child released from the grips of a program that thinks they have the answers that will give this child a 'better' life, and misguided parents who have bought into it or get off on punishment."


And you opinion is exactly that, an opinion, not based upon any facts.
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« Reply #102 on: April 12, 2004, 04:20:00 PM »
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On 2004-04-09 16:38:00, Paige wrote:

"I know for a fact that Amanda is not allowed to contact anyone except her parents. Recently I was told by one of the grandmothers that she was given the go ahead to be able to email Amanda and that Amanda's brother could send an email through the grandmother but that is the only contact that any of the family will have. the Great Grandmother can not contact her, The Great Aunt and Uncle may not contact her. Amanda's fathers own parents are not allowed to contact her and none of her friends are allowed to contact her. The Student Manual on the ALA website is very specific that the child will have to earn the privilege to have contact with the parents and only the parents and that is only with approval from ALA. I will state again for those at

ALA who do not seem to understand that I have no fight with you.  I am sorry if you are offended that I want to know where my sons sister is and how she. I am sorry if you do not understand that her extended family and friends are worried about her.



Yes, I am in this for the long haul.



I would be more than happy to take a trip to Mexico to see where she is and take her brother to see her. They can be visits in full view of an attendant of ALA. There is nothing to fear from me. We won't leave the facility. I find it amusing that they would be so afraid of myself and a 14 year old boy.



I am not afraid that she is in danger of abuse. She has been removed from her family against her will by parents who are supposed to love her. And this is for her own good?? Explain how keeping her from her Great Grandmother or her brother(who is an honour student and a boy scout)or any other family members - is good for her?"



The numerous other postings indicates that your big beef with the situation is that the brother is not allowed to contact his sister.  Here it is clearly written by you, that he is allowed.  A deal has been brokered.  This was posted by you on Friday.  It is now three days later on Monday.  Has the brother sent an email?  Your main contention has been removed.  He is allowed to contact her.

His being an honor student has nothing to do with anything in this situation.

As far as being "afraid" of you or a 14 year old boy, it wouldn't seem that "afraid"is a good word choice.  You seem to be unstable.  I can understand the concern.
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« Reply #103 on: April 12, 2004, 04:23:00 PM »
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On 2004-04-09 20:16:00, Paige wrote:

"All of you seem to be so focussed on me.



We would be satisfied for the time being if her aunt and uncle or her grandparents the C's could go visit with her.  If my son goes to Mexico to visit with his sister I am going to be the one to take him there because I am his parent and I would not put my son through that by himself. "


Here we see a concerned parent looking out for what she feels is in the best interest of her child.  Why is not this same consideration being given to the parents of the girl who made a decision regarding her?
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« Reply #104 on: April 12, 2004, 04:46:00 PM »
Sheesh, the God Squad really needs to take a lesson from the Book of Reality.  I mean, how stupid can you be to think people would not have an unfavorable opinion about non-compliant children being demonized, for Christ's sake?  

Jesus is not the Prince of Programs. He is the Prince of Peace. Restrictive, faith-based schools are spiritually corrupting and as such, most definitly NOT endorsed by Jesus and Company.

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