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« Reply #105 on: April 12, 2004, 05:32:00 PM »
Her brother has sent 2 e mails and there has been no response and no one has aknowledged that they have been received, so as far as I am concerned
until her brother gets a response and knows that he can actually communicate with her - nothing has changed.
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« Reply #106 on: April 12, 2004, 05:34:00 PM »
Has it occured to anyone that the parents are unstable??
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« Reply #107 on: April 12, 2004, 05:34:00 PM »
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On 2004-04-12 13:46:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Sheesh, the God Squad really needs to take a lesson from the Book of Reality.  


Impossible, they don't believe in reality.  They believe in flash floods that can cover the earth and boats big enough to hold 2 of every species and people being able to split the ocean in two by holding a stick in their hands.

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« Reply #108 on: April 12, 2004, 10:19:00 PM »
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On 2004-04-12 13:20:00, Anonymous wrote:

As far as being "afraid" of you or a 14 year old boy, it wouldn't seem that "afraid"is a good word choice. You seem to be unstable. I can understand the concern.


Unstable how? Can you point to anything to substantiate your assesment?

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« Reply #109 on: April 12, 2004, 10:22:00 PM »
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On 2004-04-12 14:34:00, Paige wrote:

"Has it occured to anyone that the parents are unstable?? "


Yes. And it has occured to lawmakers and the public since time out of mind. That is why it takes more than just a parent's opinion to force a kid into any kind of psyche treatment. It takes a qualified diagnosis.

Now, what's the difference between ALA's program and psyche treatment. I'm not asking rhetorically if there is a difference. I'm asking any takers to describe what the difference is.

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« Reply #110 on: April 12, 2004, 10:42:00 PM »
I'll take a stab at it...

Both view victim as having a mental illness or disorder.
Both incarcerate people against their will- based on the observations of another.
Psych Hospitals on the decline. Teen Warehouses taking up the slack.

One subjects inmates to isolation chambers, psych meds, straight jackets, physical and chemical restraints, labotomies, ECT.
The other subjects inmates to BM techniques- the lessor of the evils.

The former ran by degreed professionals, the latter by zealots.

This came today. Thought it was relevant:

Conditioning refers to the shaping of our attitudes, tendencies and behaviors
so that we become willing to go along with the program. It is malevolent when it reflects
a profound distrust of human nature, systematically disconnecting us from our natural
knowing and from the ability to think and act independently. A conditioned individual is
incapable of thinking for themselves, of questioning authority, of following his or her
own heart. Accurate information is crucial to conscious living, and I hope that this
information will help shake up and loosen ignorance related to our mental health system.

"The Dawning of all great truths on the consciousness of humanity has usually
to pass -- says Tolstoy -- through three characteristic stages. The first is: "This is so
foolish that it is not worth thinking about." The second: "This is immoral and contrary to
religion." The third: "Oh! This is so well known that it is not worth talking about." (6)

I am not sure about the dawning of great untruths, but the tenets of biopsychiatry are all too solidified into Tolstoy's third phase. Challenges and critiques tend to be met with the first and second reactions, condemned as foolish or immoral. I envision a time when our society will say things like, "It is well accepted that caring for our children is not primarily a medical problem, and so obviously wrong to give them toxic drugs to control their behavior."


DISOBEYING AUTHORITY -> TERROR.
An act against conditioned patterning evokes a feeling memory that "something bad is going to happen." As a child, your survival quite literally depended on the goodwill of your parents. On an emotional level, the feeling remains that your life (job, money, status, worth) depends on obedience to authority. A key tenet of mental health liberation is that psychiatric oppression is about suppression of individual differences, that uniqueness is punished, sacrificed on the altar of conformity. While it is true that differences are not tolerated, there is a deeper dynamic. What really cannot be tolerated is anxiety, the feeling associated with memory of terror.
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« Reply #111 on: April 13, 2004, 01:14:00 PM »
Um...point.

There is a huge difference between "help" you seek out as a consumer and want (as the helpee), or that a child asks for and wants...

versus

"help" that the helpee doesn't want and doesn't personally find helpful.

And, of course, if I go, unasked, into Mary, Lisa, and Jane's  kitchens and clean their kitchen and reorganize where everything is stored---over their individual protests, saying "You'll thank me later," if Jane finds that "help" unhelpful and is hacked off at me, it's no defense to say that Mary and Lisa liked it and really did thank me later.

My behavior towards Jane would still be arrogant, outrageous, and inexcusable.

It's like a serial rapist trying to justify his crimes by putting on the stand the occasional pathological masochist he found that actually *liked* it.

"Help" the recipient didn't ask for and doesn't want generally isn't.

Program advocates will counter this by reference to two year olds and five year olds and their need for discipline.  Personally, *I* wouldn't want anybody teaching my child mathematics who couldn't tell the difference between two and seventeen.

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« Reply #112 on: April 13, 2004, 07:31:00 PM »
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On 2004-04-09 20:16:00, Paige wrote:


"All of you seem to be so focussed on me.





We would be satisfied for the time being if her aunt and uncle or her grandparents the C's could go visit with her.  If my son goes to Mexico to visit with his sister I am going to be the one to take him there because I am his parent and I would not put my son through that by himself. "



Here we see a concerned parent looking out for what she feels is in the best interest of her child.  Why is not this same consideration being given to the parents of the girl who made a decision regarding her?"


Please keep in mind this is not her child.  She is sticking her nose in where it doesn't belong.  There are countless children who are really REALLY abused by their parents.  If she wants to do somethign about child abuse, she can take up a cause for them.  The girl in question has not been abused.  She is just interfering with the parental decisions that are not what she would choose, if she were the parent, and she is not.
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« Reply #113 on: April 13, 2004, 07:38:00 PM »
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On 2004-04-12 14:34:00, Paige wrote:

"Has it occured to anyone that the parents are unstable?? "


No, but it has occured to me that YOU are unstable.  Are you currently counseling with anyone or taking any medication?
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« Reply #114 on: April 13, 2004, 07:44:00 PM »
You haven't been paying attention.

The parents of this adopted teen apparently do not want her. There is a court order stating that she and her biological brother are to have contact. The two families are bound by that court order. You, nor I, nor anyone knows if the girl has been abused. Several accounts that have been shared are questionable and will depend ultimately on the judge's mood or persuation. She is being held incommunicado without so much as an evaluation to determine if this extreme placement is in her best interest. It could very well be true that the parents ditched the girl as punishment and to thwart others who are intimately involved in her life.
Has it occured to you that you might be sticking your nose where it doesn't belong? BTW, How are you involved in the drama? What makes you an expert on the situation, anon?
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« Reply #115 on: April 13, 2004, 07:53:00 PM »
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On 2004-04-13 16:44:00, Deborah wrote:

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You haven't been paying attention.



The parents of this adopted teen apparently do not want her. There is a court order stating that she and her biological brother are to have contact. "


And yhou know there is a court order because...??? you have seen it yourself or you believe the rantings of an apparently unstable person.   I am sure she is sincere in her desire to remove the girl from the parents, but, even to think to do such a thing is the thinking of an unstable person.  There is no indication of any physical abuse.  There is no mention of the girl not being fed.  There is no mention of the girl having to sleep on the concrete floor.  What we do see, however, is a differnece between standards and parenting styles.

Just because the parents don't live by the same standards, doesn't make them unfit or any other accusations that may be presented to the court.

By the way, this week is "next week" from last week when the boy's mom said she was going to file papers.  Anybody heard anything?
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« Reply #116 on: April 13, 2004, 08:00:00 PM »
Damn, you sound like the social worker on the case. You didn't answer the question- how are you involved? They're not keeping you in the loop? Then you probably don't need to know. There's black and there's white, and then there's this area called grey. It sometimes happens that things are resolved without dragging kids through court hearings. That IS the prefered method. I'm sure we'll get an update if/when it's appropriate.
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« Reply #117 on: April 13, 2004, 08:18:00 PM »
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On 2004-04-13 17:00:00, Deborah wrote:

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Damn, you sound like the social worker on the case. You didn't answer the question- how are you involved? They're not keeping you in the loop? Then you probably don't need to know. There's black and there's white, and then there's this area called grey. It sometimes happens that things are resolved without dragging kids through court hearings. That IS the prefered method. I'm sure we'll get an update if/when it's appropriate. "


This is a great thing.  We can all have our opinions.  Unforutunately, some have forgotten that it is just that, their opinions.

You are correct, however, that things should be solved without dragging the kids through it.  Unfortunately, the other woman, not the girl's mom, has choosen to post personal family information, as well as the girl's name, all over the web.  This alone indicates that the woman is not thinking of the girl, but rather of herself.

As far as an update, doesn't really matter.  It was never appropriate to post it in the first place.
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« Reply #118 on: April 13, 2004, 08:24:00 PM »
Great, then you'll stop haranging her for an answer and flooding the board?
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« Reply #119 on: April 17, 2004, 09:07:00 PM »
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