WWASP Sues Reporter

[Anonymous]

This is so fucking stupid.  No WONDER nothing ever gets done about this shit.  I am so sick of coming on here and seeing nothing but backbiting and bitching at each other.  Most people on here have the same intention, to shut the places down, but it'll never happen with everyone so divided.  Somehow I don't see us as being effective until or unless we can get our own pettiness out of the way.  Carey makes some great points and I believe, for the most part, she has good intentions.  But she's such a bitch that it just rubs most people the wrong way and then they're turned off to whatever she has to say or to anyone else that might come along and try to get something done.  If she comes across in court the same way she does here, she'll be looked at as a vindictive ex-wife trying to get back at the husband.  I'm not saying that's the case, but that's how she'll be perceived and it will hurt what we're all trying to do.  My point is that we ALL have hurt the credibility of this "cause".  ISAC, Carey, the anons (self included) etc.  It's gotten stupid now.  I think it's time we stopped jumping each others shit and focus the attention where it needs to be.

[Anonymous]

"she'll be looked at as a vindictive ex-wife trying to get back at the husband."

Oh yeah, someone trying to protect her kids, will be seen as vindictive.  I don't think so.

It does not matter what side of the fence you are on.  It will be seen as either the kids were being abused and Carey saved the kids from any more of that abuse.  Or, it is PURE making up shit about WWASP to make a case against them because of her legal troubles scarring Carey to death for Sheffs own self serving agenda.  

This is not about Carey's ex husband in any way, other than the fact that he might have bought into something he really did not have all the facts about.

[Anonymous]

Speak for yourself, Anon.  Not everybody is caught up in the PURE v. WWASPS legal battle nor do they care to be.  As for Carey, I think most folks have figured out that she is not the dirty sock in all this but is certainly being hung out to dry to satisfy the agenda of her critics.  What a crock of shit this is!!

[Anonymous]

It makes no sense to speculate about the merits of this case before it goes to court *other than* to say that in cases like this one the plaintiff has one hell of a burden of proof to overcome and is *generally* likely to lose just because this particular kind of case (public figure defamation) is so very hard to win.

[Kiwi]

Kiwi, it seems there is another organization which one could say also likes to go after the "little" guys. Have you forgotten? Perhaps the next time you hit the "Say It" button to post another one of your self-serving messages, you might want to say a thank you to Ginger, one of the "little guys" who's been sued -- not by WWASPS -- but by PURE, a competitor of WWASPS.

Yes, thank you very much Ginger.

Do you even care to know why that is or would you rather spin the truth and blame it all on Ms. Bock? Sheesh, talk about not being able to see the forest for the trees.

When it comes to forests and trees I think WWASP is the forest and PURE is the tree.

How is it that Kiwi would know if PURE has enought money to do anything? Do tell.

By reading this forum.  I recall something about PURE raking in $300,000 a year.  I can't find it now.  When searching on PURE there is a low signal to noise ratio.  Please correct me if I am wrong.

People here might be a little sensitive about your pro-PURE agenda.

 :nworthy: I whole-heartedly agree.

[ This Message was edited by: Kiwi on 2004-02-10 09:45 ]

[Anonymous]

On 2004-02-10 08:19:00, Anonymous wrote:

""she'll be looked at as a vindictive ex-wife trying to get back at the husband."



Oh yeah, someone trying to protect her kids, will be seen as vindictive.  I don't think so.


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This is precisely what I mean.  I AGREE that she's not doing this to get back at her ex.  BUT...it will be perceived that way because they will jump on ANY excuse to discredit her and, sorry, the way she comes across plays into that.  Read what I actually wrote, not what you want to see in it.

[Anonymous]

Anybody know who this Houlahan guy is and what the status of the lawsuit is that was filed a few weeks ago?  Seems we should be keeping an eye on this given the number of views(over a thousand!).

[Anonymous]

Seems we should be keeping an eye on this given the number of views(over a thousand!).


Surely you realize the number of hits represents the same people hitting over and over.
Its not like a thousand people even look at Fornits; much less this one thread.

As for who Tom is; thats clear enough from whats already posted. My personal opinion is he's an interesting fella, who is doing a good job.

I find myself thinking they've got a tiger by the tail this time.

Go get 'em big guy!

[Anonymous]

Don't think you are right on either count, Fornits or Houlahan.  Wishful thinking sounds more like it.  But what else is new?  The facts are always the last to be considered, even as they are beginning to emerge faster than you can say "go get 'em tiger"!

 :silly:

[Anonymous]

P.S. You might ask Ginger to give you the head's up on just how many people do look at Fornits. It is most definitly in the thousands, pal.

[Anonymous]

Source: From What is a Froderick Thread:

... and I (Quote)

"Nah, only tens of thousands

Vistor report for Month of: 2003/11

hits examined: 963148
visitors found: 19529

Visitor report for: Month to date

hits examined: 520609
visitors found: 9398

(End Quote)

You Go Fornits!
 ::drummer::  :wink:

Wherever the standard of freedom and Independence has been or shall be unfurled, there will [America's] heart, her benedictions and her prayers be. But she goes not abroad, in search of monsters to destroy. She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all. She is the champion and vindicator only of her own.
--John Quincy Adams, Speech to the U.S. House of Representatives [July 4, 1821]


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[Froderik]

Source: From What is a Froderick Thread:

I know, I know...no need to thank me...I know I've helped make this site what it is today.  :wink:  :lol:

[Anonymous]

Fornits is very large if you look at all the forums. I was speaking of just the one we're on here; the teen help one.
It just seems like a new post or thread gets about 20 - 25 hits; then they begin to double as new posting takes place. Thats just how it has seemed to me. I could be wrong. I'd like to know myslef what the actual story is on this. But in any event, I'm sure many of the hits represent the same people looking multipul times. Thats just common sence.

[Anonymous]

Yes, I'm sure people do visit and revisit threads all the time, depending upon their level of interest (or boredom) of course :lol:  

But it seems to me that when the number of hits reaches 500-1,500 we are talking about a rather significant number of fist-time readers, especially when the number of posts per thread is in the range of just 6-12.  Regulars do tend to keep track of dates and times, skipping threads that they have already read, for example. Also, the system is designed to keep active threads at the top so readers know what to look at when they are looking for new info.

But really, I'm only speculating here.  What seems very clear is this forum (The Teen Help Industry) is second to none of it's kind that I know of on the Internet.  Just how BIG it is, only Ginger can say.

[Kiwi]

http://http://166.70.44.66/2004/Jul/07082004/utah/181868.asp

Judge tosses St. George-based company's slander suit

"U.S. District Judge Dale Kimball on Tuesday dismissed a slander lawsuit filed against a reporter by the St. George-based World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools (WWASPS) because the allegations involve actions that took place outside Utah. The association claims United Press International reporter Thomas Houlahan defamed its reputation by falsely telling parents that school officials abused their children, citing calls he made to a Maryland woman whose son was in a New York school. The WWASPS is associated with seven behavior modification schools in the United States and two operating outside the country."