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« Reply #75 on: February 07, 2004, 08:58:00 PM »
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The reporter, like many of the other reporters on this story, many of whom have *quoted* that lawyer from Utah, was probably seeking to interview him or to have him see if his clients would be willing to talk to him.



there's absolutely nothing sinister about that.  reporters talk to lawyers all the time in course of their reporting.



and UPI *is* also being sued."


FYI: Judging by the complaint, as filed, the statement that UPI is being sued, is factually incorrect. Anon should present documentation to the contrary in support of his/her statement.
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« Reply #76 on: February 08, 2004, 04:11:00 PM »
if I were a betting man I'd say that this is bad news and a move WWASP may regret
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« Reply #77 on: February 08, 2004, 06:13:00 PM »
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"if I were a betting man I'd say that this is bad news and a move WWASP may regret "


Oh this is bad news allright.  But not for the reasons you suggest.  Quite the contrary.  Read the complaint, Anon.  My sense is there is much more to this than meets the eye (ergo, ya might want to hold off on placing any bets until all the facts are on the table.)
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« Reply #78 on: February 09, 2004, 02:49:00 AM »
Wow, over 1,000 looks at this thread. Amazing. Wonder how many of these people registered with PACER to read the complaint, probably quite a few I would imagine.
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« Reply #79 on: February 09, 2004, 06:21:00 PM »
Huh, I dunno know, maybe because WWASP want's him to shut-up! Because if he keeps talking about what's going on more and more kid's will be pulled from the programs and WWASP will start losing big bucks. Do you think?
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« Reply #80 on: February 09, 2004, 07:38:00 PM »
Still waiting for some documentation to support the Anon's contention that UPI is being sued.

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« Reply #81 on: February 09, 2004, 08:14:00 PM »
What difference does it make if UPI is being sued or not?  Really...what difference?  In reading the Pacer accounts, perhaps the one available is of the suit against the reporter.  Is there another one WWASPS has filed against UPI that we're not seeing, possibly because it has a different name, format, or filing date?  

BTW, this reporter is a stringer for UPI, meaning that he works as a subcontractor, providing information to UPI (in an area they may have asked him to investigate) but his work is his own.  UPI may pick up his story, or they may not.  This system would seem to me to protect UPI from liability.  On the other hand, I think WWASPS is really stupid to bring suit, which just puts the burden of proof of *non-abuse* on WWASPS.  Do they really want to shine the bright light of the media on their dirty secrets?
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« Reply #82 on: February 09, 2004, 10:14:00 PM »
It makes a lot of difference Anon, given that *someone* wrote a post saying that UPI HAD been sued. When asked to present documentation to support his/her statement, this *someone* provided none.  As for the complaint, if you have read it, then there should be no doubt in your mind that UPI is NOT named as a defendant in the complaint against Houlahan.  You intimate that perhaps UPI has been sued in a separate action, yet that also remains to be shown as fact. What peaked my interest in this case is the fact that aside from Houlahan, I have not heard of any other journalist that has been sued by WWASPS.   Have you?  If so, please share.
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« Reply #83 on: February 10, 2004, 12:19:00 AM »
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On 2004-02-09 17:14:00, Anonymous wrote:

"What difference does it make if UPI is being sued or not?  Really...what difference?  In reading the Pacer accounts, perhaps the one available is of the suit against the reporter.  Is there another one WWASPS has filed against UPI that we're not seeing, possibly because it has a different name, format, or filing date?  



BTW, this reporter is a stringer for UPI, meaning that he works as a subcontractor, providing information to UPI (in an area they may have asked him to investigate) but his work is his own.  UPI may pick up his story, or they may not.  This system would seem to me to protect UPI from liability.  On the other hand, I think WWASPS is really stupid to bring suit, which just puts the burden of proof of *non-abuse* on WWASPS.  Do they really want to shine the bright light of the media on their dirty secrets?  "


Anon,if you think about it, why would WWASPS and Ivy Ridge sue this guy if as you say, that would be stupid?  It really doesn't make sense which leads me to conclude they do not share your point of view. Second, I am aware of only 1 other lawsuit brought by WWASPS (the one against PURE).  Are there any other lawsuits filed by WWASPS or any of their other member schools that have not been made public???
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« Reply #84 on: February 10, 2004, 05:58:00 AM »
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What difference does it make if UPI is being sued or not?

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Are there any other lawsuits filed by WWASPS or any of their other member schools that have not been made public???


Well, these questions are related.  It seems UPI is not a litigant.  There is no point in suing Houlahan and UPI separately: the issues are identical and they would just apply for them to be heard together anyway.

According to ISAC's WWASP report (you know, the one Carey doesn't believe) WWASP has threatened lots of kids with legal action for speaking out.  When you have as much money as WWASP you only have to threaten most of the time.  Most private individuals don't have the money to put up a decent defense and stand to lose everything.

WWASP seems to only go after the little guy.  They have never sued the New York Times or Salt Lake Tribune.  They go for people who they think will roll over and die.  They may have made a mistake with PURE: they have enough money to put up a fight.  In the case of Houlahan, maybe they have had to back up their threats with action.  After all, his career is on the line and maybe he has insurance or a union behind him.  They may still be hoping he will settle.
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« Reply #85 on: February 10, 2004, 09:20:00 AM »
Duh WWASP would like to keep UPI out of it. They seem to go after the little guys- Duh again

*** betcha that UPI does not have their affiliates sued often and may see more than oddness here and take a ride with their guy- probably WWASP's greatest fear in this case.
UPI can choose to involve their attorneys and would probably leave WWASP weak in the knees.
             That's my 2sense
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« Reply #86 on: February 10, 2004, 09:49:00 AM »
Kiwi, it seems there is another organization which one could say also likes to go after the "little" guys. Have you forgotten?  Perhaps the next time you hit the "Say It" button to post another one of your self-serving messages, you might want to say a thank you to Ginger, one of the "little guys" who's been sued -- not by WWASPS -- but by PURE, a competitor of WWASPS.  Do you even care to know why that is or would you rather spin the truth and blame it all on Ms. Bock?   Sheesh, talk about not being able to see the forest for the trees.  

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« Reply #87 on: February 10, 2004, 09:57:00 AM »
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On 2004-02-10 06:20:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Duh WWASP would like to keep UPI out of it. They seem to go after the little guys- Duh again



*** betcha that UPI does not have their affiliates sued often and may see more than oddness here and take a ride with their guy- probably WWASP's greatest fear in this case.

UPI can choose to involve their attorneys and would probably leave WWASP weak in the knees.

             That's my 2sense

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FYI: That's 2 cents (not sense). Dunce.
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« Reply #88 on: February 10, 2004, 10:01:00 AM »
How is it that Kiwi would know if PURE has enought money to do anything?  Do tell.
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« Reply #89 on: February 10, 2004, 10:05:00 AM »
Hey Kiwi, here's a thought.  Post on the ISAC board.  People here might be a little sensitive about your pro-PURE agenda.  

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