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« on: January 19, 2004, 12:28:00 PM »
http://http://attorneygeneral.utah.gov/PrRel/prjune142002.htm

Does anyone know what became of this case?  The director was charged and then it went very quiet.  Last I heard, some of the accusers had been transferred to Tranquility Bay.  Maybe the prosecutor is finding it a little tricky to pursue this without his star witnesses.
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« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2004, 02:23:00 PM »
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« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2004, 08:17:00 AM »
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http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... t=30#11865

Scroll to the bottom of this page.


Well, at the bottom of that page I see a link to an item saying that Winder had been arrested, which I already knew, and another one to the Majestic Ranch web site which says he is still director, which doesn't tell me if the prosecution is still pending or has been dropped.  WWASP aren't known for keeping their web sites up to date anyway.  Am I missing something?

I cannot find anything more recent on the web.  I just wondered if someone had seen a newspaper article that I hadn't.
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« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2004, 06:48:00 PM »
http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,510033604,00.html

Even someone accused of AGGRAVATED SEXUAL ABUSE is FREE TO WORK WITH CHILDREN in boarding schools.
   Wayne E. Winder was arrested and charged last year with one first-degree felony count of aggravated sexual abuse and three class A misdemeanors of child abuse while director of Majestic Ranch Academy.
  In March, Winder entered a plea in abeyance to the single felony count, aggravated sexual abuse, after the alleged victim recanted her story. If Winder STAYS OUT OF TROUBLE FOR THE NEXT NINE MONTHS, HIS CHARGES WILL BE DROPPED, said his attorney, Earl Xaiz. MEANWHILE, Winder has RETURNED TO THE SCHOOL AS DIRECTOR.
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« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2004, 07:04:00 PM »
http://www.majesticranch.org/location.html

We are the first ranch on the right hand side of the road with several log sided buildings with green roofs and a big red barn. Our entrance says "Peart Ranch" on the top and "Majestic Ranch" on the side.

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http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=3994&forum=9
Marie Peart was married to Blair Peart, Bob Litchfield's brother in law.
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« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2004, 09:40:00 PM »
sounds like they are no longer married.  :rofl:
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« Reply #6 on: January 21, 2004, 05:40:00 AM »
Thank you Deborah.

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'"They are claiming to be a boarding school, and Utah has no regulations for boarding schools," Stettler said'

'And the Division of Consumer Protection doesn't regulate the group because the corporation assists treatment and behavior modification facilities, not secondary schools.'

So they're schools when they want to be and not schools when they don't want to be!

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« Reply #7 on: January 21, 2004, 10:31:00 AM »
He was "accused" - isn't it a common accusation when a kid doesn't want to be in a boarding school or residential treatment to say whatever it takes to get out?  It was found to be only an accusation, right?
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« Reply #8 on: January 21, 2004, 11:47:00 AM »
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He was "accused" - isn't it a common accusation when a kid doesn't want to be in a boarding school or residential treatment to say whatever it takes to get out? It was found to be only an accusation, right?


As I said earlier, the way I heard it at least three of the accusers were sent to Tranquility Bay.  Perhaps the others (I think there were six in all) withdrew their accusations to avoid being sent to TB. Narvin Lichfield tried the same tactic at Dundee Ranch: anyone who didn't sign a paper to say they were there voluntarily was threatened with TB.

There was obviously sufficient evidence for the prosecutor to charge Winder.  IMO where there is reason to believe a child has been sexually assaulted they should not be left in the the custody of people who have an interest in covering up the fact.
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« Reply #9 on: January 21, 2004, 12:12:00 PM »
***'"They are claiming to be a boarding school, and Utah has no regulations for boarding schools," Stettler said'***

Standard MO for the industry. Boarding schools to the state, therapeutic facility to the public.
"Claiming" to be. Whose job is it to confirm their stated purpose? They should be required to spell out the nature of their program when filing with the state.
Stettler knows the scoop on these places. He is failing to do his job by not requiring them to come into compliance. Perhaps Licensing could be persuaded if someone filed a complaint, and dogged them about following up. That was my experience with a different facility which had avoid regs for 7 years. Previous parents hadn't bothered to check.

And it's ironic that both Stettler and Winder previously worked for Youth Corrections.
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« Reply #10 on: February 14, 2004, 09:17:00 AM »
:???: I was looking to send my son here for Help I am not going to send him now. He would come out wrost then when he goes in.

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« Reply #11 on: February 14, 2004, 11:19:00 AM »
Only if you believe what you read here.  Talk to kids that have been there and see if they've come home worse than they went in. It will also give you time to learn how to live a better life, as a parent and as a person.  The allegations regarding the Director were found to be false, but apparently just the allegation was enough to keep you from getting help if you are in a serious situation with your child.
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« Reply #12 on: February 14, 2004, 12:02:00 PM »
The allegations were not to be found false.

 Contact Utah's Attorney general for accurate details.
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« Reply #13 on: February 14, 2004, 12:11:00 PM »
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On 2004-02-14 08:19:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Only if you believe what you read here.  Talk to kids that have been there and see if they've come home worse than they went in. It will also give you time to learn how to live a better life, as a parent and as a person.  The allegations regarding the Director were found to be false, but apparently just the allegation was enough to keep you from getting help if you are in a serious situation with your child.   "


Talk to kids who have been there, sure, but *not* the ones the program refers you to and *not* the ones who have been out less than five years.

Most of the programs isolate the children from the outside world.  Most use restraints at least in *some* circumstances.

Isolation, physical control, credible threat of physical force or harm----those are the prerequisites for inducing Stockholm Syndrome, and it only takes two to three days to induce.

How you treat Stockholm Syndrome is you undo the things that cause it---particularly the isolation.

Unfortunately, the TBS's have these kids for months, they tell the parents to treat anything negative the kid says as manipulation, the kid gets used to this, and so even after the kid is *physically* free, he or she is still isolated for a long time behind a barrier of mutual mistrust.  The parents don't trust that anything negative the kid says about the program is anything *but* manipulation.  The kid doesn't trust that the parents will believe anything he or she says, and typically the kid's mistrust lasts *much* longer than the parents'.

Sometimes kids who are pulled out early will talk openly about the experience right away.  Graduates seldom will.  It takes about five to fifteen years before the graduates, or most kids that have just been there for awhile (graduated or not), will talk about the experience in depth and give detailed accounts of what a day was like in the program, what the experience was like in the different "levels,"  what it was like when someone was restrained, the frank details of the educational environment provided, detailed descriptions of the food, detailed descriptions of the therapy process, etc.

Fresh program graduates generally give accounts that are as bare of details as an oak branch in January is bare of leaves.  If you talk to someone and they aren't prepared to talk in detail about all of those things, they just try to brush you off with buzzwords or generalizations (e.g.---the food's a bit bland), take it as a huge red flag.
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« Reply #14 on: February 14, 2004, 02:22:00 PM »
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Sometimes kids who are pulled out early will talk openly about the experience right away.  Graduates seldom will.  It takes about five to fifteen years before the graduates, or most kids that have just been there for awhile (graduated or not), will talk about the experience in depth and give detailed accounts of what a day was like in the program, what the experience was like in the different "levels,"  what it was like when someone was restrained, the frank details of the educational environment provided, detailed descriptions of the food, detailed descriptions of the therapy process, etc.



Fresh program graduates generally give accounts that are as bare of details as an oak branch in January is bare of leaves.  If you talk to someone and they aren't prepared to talk in detail about all of those things, they just try to brush you off with buzzwords or generalizations (e.g.---the food's a bit bland), take it as a huge red flag.





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This is very good advice on who to listen to.  We have a unique situation in that we have physical custody of our grandaughter who spent 10 months at Casa by the Sea.  She has been free for 5 months now.  Her mother had her for the first 3 months home from WWASPS, and simply refused to listen to any negative things this kid said about her experience.  She walked away.  And so the child "clammed up", as is typical.  

Now, with us (who believe what she says because it jibes with so many other accounts in every detail), every day is peppered with anecdotes, spoken as simple facts of life, often without rancor.  She is surprisingly positive about the Mexican staff, the "mommas" who were her only lifeline while in Casa.  She drops things, like yesterday when she mentioned the fish soup that she hated so much.  She pointed out some really strange thing served another patron at a Mexican restaurant we were at, and said it looked like the fish stew they had at least once a week.  It was an unappetizing chopped-up melange of rice and brown stuff, which leads me to believe that Casa bought the brown belly meat of local Ensenada fish (otherwise unsaleable, and obviously very cheap) for their protein component.  No wonder she didn't like "fish stew".

She also pointed out the menu illustration, featuring a stucco-walled rancho with huge wooden gates, was just like Casa's.  She said the wooden gates had several alarms, even though they could not be opened except from the inside and that it was hard for staff to do.  She speaks often of alarms going off, and when I put together when they rang most often (in the middle of the night just before scheduled seminars), I suggested that the alarms were a not-so-subtle way of sleep depriving kids to "soften them up" for the upcoming 3-day marathon of seminars. Brainwashing 101...it's written out in every elementary mind-altering how-to book. These people are so unabashed about using such techniques, that I can only imagine that they are experienced in dealing with parents who really don't give a damn and overlook glaring "red flags" in order to get rid of their kids.
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