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Offline Anonymous

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« Reply #30 on: February 17, 2004, 10:40:00 AM »
WWASP does not point to the teen as the problem.  The whole family got themselves into the "problem."  What do you think the personal growth seminars for the parents are for?

I never heard, "there is no right or wrong" - twist the words.  There IS right and wrong.  What is said is, "it's not about right or wrong, it's about what works and doesn't work."

Teaching self control is the purpose of providing consequences, worksheets or losing points, for not following the rules.  Grounding, taking away the stereo, tv, car, phone, etc., at home didn't work. Spanking a child doesn't work.  Was it right or wrong to do this?  No.  It was about what works or doesn't.  


Mail is NOT censored.  Only family members that the parents feel are okay to write to their child are permitted.  If the family member is working against the program, then they don't write.  How wonderful would it be for the teen to get a letter from Aunt Sallie saying how rotten the parents are? Food deprivation? If the kid refuses to eat, then they lose weight.  They eat very well if they want to. If a kid is overweight, then yes they do lose weight cuz the cookies and candy are not allowed.

With WWASP under the microscope, do you really think they would abuse kids?  I guess child rights outweigh parental decisions.  What an abuse of the system.  My state is child right and it's really a juvenile system nightmare.
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« Reply #31 on: February 17, 2004, 10:59:00 AM »
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Mail is NOT censored. Only family members that the parents feel are okay to write to their child are permitted. If the family member is working against the program, then they don't write. How wonderful would it be for the teen to get a letter from Aunt Sallie saying how rotten the parents are? Food deprivation? If the kid refuses to eat, then they lose weight. They eat very well if they want to. If a kid is overweight, then yes they do lose weight cuz the cookies and candy are not allowed.

With WWASP under the microscope, do you really think they would abuse kids? I guess child rights outweigh parental decisions.

Hey anon, I've read otherwise from various sources..I don't buy that program bullshit. I've heard it before...they're LIARS thru & thru. Either you're severely deluded or you're lying through your teeth...Which is it?
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« Reply #32 on: February 17, 2004, 11:53:00 AM »
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I never heard, "there is no right or wrong" - twist the words. There IS right and wrong. What is said is, "it's not about right or wrong, it's about what works and doesn't work."


My apologies, I missed that nuance.  So what they say is that there is right and wrong but it doesn't matter.

These are the, much vaunted, values that they teach your kids!
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« Reply #33 on: February 17, 2004, 08:50:00 PM »
what planet do you live on :roll:
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« Reply #34 on: February 17, 2004, 09:03:00 PM »
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"WWASP does not point to the teen as the problem.  The whole family got themselves into the "problem."  What do you think the personal growth seminars for the parents are for?

The whole family got themselves into the "problem".  that is laughable in that you stupid wasp people assume if your child needs help, there must be something wrong with YOU.  In your case, though, its probably a good assumption.




I never heard, "there is no right or wrong" - twist the words.  There IS right and wrong.  What is said is, "it's not about right or wrong, it's about what works and doesn't work."

ah, is that what they say to convince you the ends justify the means?  Putting your child into an even "allegedly" dangerous, abusive, vulnerable position, is OKAY, AS LONG AS IT WORKS!  i'm sure you are comfy at home so it works well for you!




Teaching self control is the purpose of providing consequences, worksheets or losing points, for not following the rules.  Grounding, taking away the stereo, tv, car, phone, etc., at home didn't work. Spanking a child doesn't work.  Was it right or wrong to do this?  No.  It was about what works or doesn't.  

the consequences, from what i heard, are named afer the perpetrator of these consequences.  Uh huh, i heard being punched is a consequence.  now, you dont think spanking a child works, but punching a teenager is fine.  well, since he had the bruises to back it . . . one is left to their own conclusion.  Lesson, if someone isn't doing what YOU want, punch them, IT WORKS!  If that doesn't punch them somewhere else, somewhere where it will really hurt.  That works!



Mail is NOT censored.  Only family members that the parents feel are okay to write to their child are permitted.  If the family member is working against the program, then they don't write.  

working against the program?  what your perception of that?  or does the almighty PROGRAM run your life and make those decisions for you, seeing as something is WRONG with you, as they say, you must be incapable of making a decision such as this.


How wonderful would it be for the teen to get a letter from Aunt Sallie saying how rotten the parents are? Food deprivation?

hahahah, if aunt sally were writing the checks, that'd be fine!  very funny.


If the kid refuses to eat, then they lose weight.  They eat very well if they want to. If a kid is overweight, then yes they do lose weight cuz the cookies and candy are not allowed.

this is so rediculous it does not need a reply.





With WWASP under the microscope, do you really think they would abuse kids?  I guess child rights outweigh parental decisions.  What an abuse of the system.  My state is child right and it's really a juvenile system nightmare.   "


yes, because they so obviously believe they are RIGHT.  and THEIR PERCEPTION of what is right WORKS!
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« Reply #35 on: February 17, 2004, 09:05:00 PM »
fod, i would agree, this person is a liar or delusional.  perhaps a sound bite could emphasize that point! :grin:
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« Reply #36 on: February 17, 2004, 09:05:00 PM »
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I never heard, "there is no right or wrong" - twist the words. There IS right and wrong. What is said is, "it's not about right or wrong, it's about what works and doesn't work."



My apologies, I missed that nuance.  So what they say is that there is right and wrong but it doesn't matter.



These are the, much vaunted, values that they teach your kids!

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When they say it's not about right and wrong, it doesn't mean it doesn't matter.  It means to go beyond right and wrong to figure out what's working or not.  It means we need to find a way to make "it" work. It can be anything that you choose to look at.
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« Reply #37 on: February 17, 2004, 09:10:00 PM »
deborah,
here is where i draw the line.  Assaults on human rights.  Thats where they fail to draw the line.  as i have hear, for them, those assaults are WHAT WORKS!
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« Reply #38 on: February 18, 2004, 04:01:00 AM »
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When they say it's not about right and wrong, it doesn't mean it doesn't matter. It means to go beyond right and wrong


This just gets better and better.  So now you say you go beyond right and wrong.  You WWASPies realy are playing God.

Hello!  In the real world there is no beyond right and wrong.
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« Reply #39 on: February 18, 2004, 09:57:00 AM »
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When they say it's not about right and wrong, it doesn't mean it doesn't matter. It means to go beyond right and wrong



This just gets better and better.  So now you say you go beyond right and wrong.  You WWASPies realy are playing God.



Hello!  In the real world there is no beyond right and wrong."


The programs' philosophy is not new.  It's just the same old "the ends justify the means" dressed up in program-speak to keep stupid people from recognizing it.
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« Reply #40 on: February 18, 2004, 11:01:00 AM »
Anon,  

I beg to differ.My experience with the seminars was exactly the opposite from what you stated.

 YES the program/seminars did blame the kids."it was their choice of behaviors that got them in a "speciality" school."  We parents were not at fault."

I met some very goofy people in the seminaes. I se to think the poor kids for having such dysfuntional parents. Myself included. I was comforted by the fact some were goofier than me.

When family memebers questioned the isolation aspect of the program we were instructed to dicontinue interacting with them untoil "Graduation." How is that for achieving a "Whole and Healthy Family." The mail is censored. Don't kid yourself.

May I suggest you step far left and take a clear view of what is being shared and really think about what is happening withibn the facilities.

I wish I had gone with my instinct.It wasnt until I showed up in Jamaica did I realize what a huge mistake we had made.

I know the kids can distress us to no end, but the means Does NOT justify the end.

Be aware or you will be heart broken as I have been since discovering the truth.

Lastly, very inappropriate,ugly things DO happen within the walls of facilities were there is no outside intervention.

Beaware, very aware.Your child's mental health is at stake.

You wont hear this on the BBS . When I questioned I was lied to. Over and over again.
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« Reply #41 on: February 18, 2004, 09:17:00 PM »
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When they say it's not about right and wrong, it doesn't mean it doesn't matter. It means to go beyond right and wrong



This just gets better and better.  So now you say you go beyond right and wrong.  You WWASPies realy are playing God.



Hello!  In the real world there is no beyond right and wrong."


To go beyond right and wrong means to not be stuck in the crap and to figure out ways to make things work for you.   It doesn't mean right is working and wrong is not working.   Is that working for you??
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« Reply #42 on: February 18, 2004, 09:32:00 PM »
You program folks look a hell of a lot like the TM-ers and the Moonies and the Scientologists.

True Believers, every damn one of you.

Actions speak louder than words, and you folks' actions in shipping your kids off to be held incommunicado for months or years at a time are so effing *bizarre* that there's just nothing you can say that's going to outweigh that.

Even if there was, this True Believer scary shite wouldn't exactly be designed to inspire confidence in the rest of us who live in the real world and raise our kids, pay our taxes and bills, feed the dog, mow the lawn, and know parents with "problem teens" who manage to get through the teen years *without* shipping their kid to a private prison in Jamaica or Utah.





From the bottom of any large organization looking up through the ranks, human greed and stupidity look a lot like a conspiracy.
--S. Gilbert

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« Reply #43 on: February 18, 2004, 09:46:00 PM »
:tup:  :em:
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« Reply #44 on: February 19, 2004, 05:09:00 AM »
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To go beyond right and wrong means to not be stuck in the crap and to figure out ways to make things work for you. It doesn't mean right is working and wrong is not working. Is that working for you??


No, but I am sure it all makes perfect sense when you are in an LGAT and have checked your brain in at the door.
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