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Re: Cataloging TheWho/John Reuben's Lies
« Reply #495 on: July 08, 2010, 01:04:03 PM »
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Lols.  You seem to have forgotten to post the full definition that you are relying upon Wikipedia for:

 "Fiduciary duty is a legal or ethical relationship of confidence or trust between two or more parties, most commonly a fiduciary and a principal. One party...holds a fiduciary relation or acts in a fiduciary capacity to another, such as one whose funds are entrusted to it for investment."

You claimed to be the fiduciary (the one who has "fiduciary responsibility"), also commonly called the agent, so which one of the TTI entities, AEG or HLA was your principal?  Were you an agent of AEG or an agent of HLA?  It's a simple question, Mr. Business School Dropout.

A fiduciary "duty" which is a legal or ethical relationship......  (this is correct)...... such as one whose funds are entrusted to it for investment.".  "Such as" (this means an example) .  No one entrusted me or did I entrust anyone else with funds to invest.

In my case I was entrusted with knowledge that there were events in process and I had a "fiduciary duty" which prevented me from talking about it openly on the forum because I had a relationship with this person.  I believe I stated this clearly in the original post.



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Re: Cataloging TheWho/John Reuben's Lies
« Reply #496 on: July 08, 2010, 01:22:41 PM »
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Here Whooter claims to have intimate knowledge of an impending deal for AEG to buy HLA.  He says he can't discuss it due to his fiduciary interest and that it would be considered "tipping" if he did.

Definition of "Fiduciary Interest": n : legal term; assigned responsibility to act on behalf of an owner or owners in their best financial interest. When an individual represents a party or a group in a position of trust or confidence, it is that person’s duty to act primarily for the benefit of the party or group he/she represents. A fiduciary duty compels one to make decisions that are in the best financial interest of to the party represented.

Let me ask you, Whooter, how does "just a regular parent with no ties to the TTI" have a fiduciary interest in a transaction between two TTI entities that is so intimate to the deal that speaking about it would constitute tipping?  Exactly which party to this deal were you representing?  Which owner assigned you this responsibility?

Were you fibbing when you were bragging about this intimate knowledge and inability to speak of it due to your "fiduciary interest," or were you fibbing when you said you have "no ties to the TTI"?  Obviusly, these statements are mutually exclusive and both cannot be true.  So just tell us which one you have been shining us on about for the last five years.

Sorry, but the definition of fiduciary responsibility is very clear and it is a legal definition, as posted above.  To have a fiduciary responsibility, one must be a direct representative of the principal or principal's group, assigned to act in their best financial interest.

In order to have "fiduciary responsibility" one must be an agent (i.e. a fiduciary) who has been entrusted with the property or finances of the principal.  It's a really simple concept.  

And it has a legal definition: fiduciary "An individual in whom another has placed the utmost trust and confidence to manage and protect property or money."
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Re: Cataloging TheWho/John Reuben's Lies
« Reply #497 on: July 08, 2010, 01:45:24 PM »
In my case is wasnt,  I was entrusted with knowledge, thats all.



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Re: Cataloging TheWho/John Reuben's Lies
« Reply #498 on: July 08, 2010, 01:46:53 PM »
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Would you mind just answering the question?



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Re: Cataloging TheWho/John Reuben's Lies
« Reply #499 on: July 08, 2010, 02:10:20 PM »
Legal Definition from  US Legal: "Fiduciary duty is a legal requirement of loyalty and care that applies to any person or organization that has a fiduciary relationship with another person or organization. A fiduciary is a person, committee, or organization that has agreed to accept legal ownership or control and management of an asset or group of assets belonging to someone else."

So then you lied about your fiduciary interest.  That wasn't too hard to admit.  You wanted to inflate your ego and make yourself seem important, so you made up a story that had you in the lead role as fiduciary to Aspen Education.  Or you're lying as to the extent of your involvement now.  

Either way, the point is made.  You're a phony.  And it only took you all of five long years to finally admit it.  Yeah, you're real honest, Whooter.

What else have you been fibbing about?
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Re: Cataloging TheWho/John Reuben's Lies
« Reply #500 on: July 08, 2010, 02:19:00 PM »
Its a little difficult to try to tell someone else what they meant, but keep working at it if you like.

Here ya go:

A fiduciary duty is a legal or ethical relationship of confidence or trust between two or more parties, most commonly a fiduciary and a principal.

Link to Definition

I was trusted with knowledge which prevented me from speaking about it at the time.   If you remember back to previous discussions, you struggled a little with interpreting definitions in the dictionary.  If you look at the definition I presented and the way I interpret it you will understand what I meant by fiduciary duty.



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Re: Cataloging TheWho/John Reuben's Lies
« Reply #501 on: July 08, 2010, 02:53:56 PM »
You struggled with using a dictionary.  You cited Wikipedia.  I cited a legal dictionary.  Big difference.

Anyway, the point is made.  You are a phony.

"No, officer, that's not my fiduciary duty.  I'm just holding it for a friend!"  :rasta:  

Some people love to pretend like they know about business law (among other things), but when you get down to the brass tacks, they are just plain old posers.
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Re: Cataloging TheWho/John Reuben's Lies
« Reply #502 on: July 08, 2010, 03:24:14 PM »
Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction"
You struggled with using a dictionary.  You cited Wikipedia.  I cited a legal dictionary.  Big difference.

Anyway, the point is made.  You are a phony.

"No, officer, that's not my fiduciary duty.  I'm just holding it for a friend!"  :rasta:  

Some people love to pretend like they know about business law (among other things), but when you get down to the brass tacks, they are just plain old posers.

If we were discussing what "someone else" said and we didnt have the opportunity to ask what they meant then we could argue over definitions and which one applied.
But I made the statement, I told you what I meant and provided a definition for you to see.  If you want to go off and find a definition that fits what you want to hear, that's fine.  but if people want to know what I meant then they can ask me.

You received your answer and you dont like it because it means you are the one who lined his pockets with TTI money all those years... not me.  This has bugged you for years but it is something you have to live with.

sorry buddy.....



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Re: Cataloging TheWho/John Reuben's Lies
« Reply #504 on: July 08, 2010, 06:10:30 PM »
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I told you what I meant

Nobody gives a damn what you now say you meant then.

What you said then makes you a phony now.

it's no different from when you said your daughter ran away and stopped talking to you for two years and drank and did drugs constantly after ASR then you come back later and say it never happened.  Too late.  You can't clean up these messes.
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Re: Cataloging TheWho/John Reuben's Lies
« Reply #505 on: July 08, 2010, 06:19:38 PM »
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I told you what I meant

Nobody gives a damn what you now say you meant then.

What you said then makes you a phony now.

it's no different from when you said your daughter ran away and stopped talking to you for two years and drank and did drugs constantly after ASR then you come back later and say it never happened.  Too late.  You can't clean up these messes.

Ha,Ha,Ha  calm down, DJ, sorry you failed to make it look like I took money from the industry like you did.  You need to stand alone on that one.

Hmmm...You have such a drive to discredit people.......

Next on your list:

So now you think my daughter ran away and stopped talking to me for two years?  So you failed on your last attempt with the whole fiduciary post.  Lets see what you have on my daughter then.  (What happen to the thought that I was Reuben and I had 2 sons and one committed suicide? lol)  We can get to that later I guess.  Lets see your link to where I spoke about my daughter running away and stopped talking to me for two years first... If you work at this long enough, DJ, you may actually find conflicting statements!



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Re: Cataloging TheWho/John Reuben's Lies
« Reply #506 on: July 08, 2010, 11:37:07 PM »
Hey DJ and Whooter, why don't we have some boundries here, lets leave your children out of these posts.
Sometimes we posts comments about our kids, I don't believe that then we can use this information to take swipes at the poster.
Just say'in
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Re: Cataloging TheWho/John Reuben's Lies
« Reply #507 on: July 09, 2010, 12:25:52 AM »
Hey Whooter,
One more time please, would you with absolute clarity explain what you meant by this statement, If I may be
frank, I am a little confused myself.
I run a medium size business, I have fiduciary responsibilities as others within my company, we also have the same fiduciary commitments to our customers, I have always assumed that we were talking about finances and loyality to those financial agreements/contracts.
I can only hope that you comment on this post, you are under no commitment to do so but it would go a long way to clearing this up once and for all, for me.


Here is the comment I am talking about,
"I apologize for being vague, I have a fiduciary duty which prevents me from speaking in any specific terms in this area and can only comment on information which is first made public by either party involved, this could be misconstrued as “Tippingâ€".
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Re: Cataloging TheWho/John Reuben's Lies
« Reply #508 on: July 09, 2010, 06:31:25 AM »
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Hey Whooter,
One more time please, would you with absolute clarity explain what you meant by this statement, If I may be
frank, I am a little confused myself.
I run a medium size business, I have fiduciary responsibilities as others within my company, we also have the same fiduciary commitments to our customers, I have always assumed that we were talking about finances and loyality to those financial agreements/contracts.
I can only hope that you comment on this post, you are under no commitment to do so but it would go a long way to clearing this up once and for all, for me.


Here is the comment I am talking about,
"I apologize for being vague, I have a fiduciary duty which prevents me from speaking in any specific terms in this area and can only comment on information which is first made public by either party involved, this could be misconstrued as “Tippingâ€".

The easiest way to explain it is I was privy to inside information.  My relationship with that person and the fact that they asked me to keep it between ourselves was why I could not speak about it or comment on it.


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Re: Cataloging TheWho/John Reuben's Lies
« Reply #509 on: July 09, 2010, 09:05:21 AM »
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I run a medium size business, I have fiduciary responsibilities as others within my company, we also have the same fiduciary commitments to our customers, I have always assumed that we were talking about finances and loyality to those financial agreements/contracts.

You're absolutely correct, Danny.  Fiduciary duty extends only to fiduciarires (often called agents) who control the money or property of principals (often called clients or beneficiaries).  As you correctly pointed out, only agents of a firm/client can have fiduciary responsibilities to that firm/client.

What Whooter is trying to make people believe is that uninterested third parties can have fiduciary duties to other agents who have fiduciary responsibilities to principals to which the uninterested party has no relationship.  That's false and utterly ridiculous.

Keep in mind that Whooter claims his line of work to be acquiring businesses, turning them around and selling them.  He knows full well that his description of fiduciary duty is false and anyone with any exposure to business law knows that (like you and me, Danny).  

Also keep in mind, this was said at a time when one of the principals, HLA, was going under financially, a perfect target for a man in Whooter's line of work.  Then also don't forget that Whooter claimed a fiduciary duty in the possible deal between these two TTI firms, indicating he works directly for a principal.  We know he didn't work for HLA, so that leaves AEG.  Cut and dried.

Whooter's claims now that he has no connections to the TTI just don't make any sense to anyone with even a single working brain cell.  Especially when he used to brag about how connected he was like when he claimed to chair a statistical group to assess the safety of TBSs in Chicago which he then later claimed he was "never in Chicago," but of course his post bragging about it was linked to and quoted already.  He also claimed to advise his colleagues "where the real money is, the TBS industry" (also quoted and linked in this thread).  Let's also not forget that he claimed to have access to client treatment records from HLA also and tried to out the identity of another poster who went to HLA by name and also claimed this boy's treatment records revealed "gay issues."

Where does a person with "no connection to the TTI" get all this inside information, Danny?  Whooter is just simply so arrogant that he thinks people like you (Fornits posters) are just too stupid to put these pieces together, or that he can wiggle out of it by attacking those posters using multiple logins to rat pack them and try to impugn their credibility while never having to answer their allegations (you have seen him pull out a dozen or so sockpuppets recently to do just this).  Worse for Whooter, it's all in his own words.  So he either was making up stories when he was bragging about his TTI connections and involvement then or he's lying about them now.  Either way, it proves what everyone here already knows - he's a complete fraud and phony.

So, Danny, I know you haven't been here long enough to know all this documented history about Whooter, but I hope you can at least look at him with a critical eye, insofar as he is obviously lying about what constitutes a fiduciary duty and you, being a business owner, know that he's lying.  This is why he says "The easiest way to explain it is..."  Because he knows the honest way to explain it is the far harder way and would destroy his persona he created for program damage control.  Let's be real - if the explanation of this statement were so simple, why has Whooter spent five years strictly avoiding it?

Don't let him pull the wool over your eyes, Danny.  He's not who he wants you to believe he is.  And it has been proven beyond any shadow of a doubt time and time again, in his own words.
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