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Cool, let's talk about your extensive criminal record. Personally, I wouldn't take advice from a criminal like you and I don't think anyone else would either. You're a fraud. You don't disclose your criminal record and act like you are the most moral of the people here, but now we know you're nothing but a reprobate. Tell us about your arrest for inappropriate sexual contact with a minor. Discuss.
Don't forget he's a common criminal as well:
I was arrested several times in Boston...
Funny, so was John Reuben. He was arrested several times in Boston as well. On the same dates TheWho was arrested. Coincidence? Hardly.
Anyway, why would any parent entrust their child's welfare to John Reuben, an admitted criminal with an extensive arrest record including public intoxication and destruction of property, who openly refers to the most abusive family of programs, Aspen Education, who had half of their programs in Oregon forcibly shut down by state investigators for murdering, abusing and neglecting children in their care, including sexualized humiliation by forcing little girls to give lap dances to and perform simulated felatio on their unlicensed, uneducated couselors?
Think about this, parents, before you make the biggest mistake of your and your kid's life.
Let's hear your explanation about why you attack everyone else's credibility when you are a convicted criminal. Why do you have an FBI number? Are you a spousal abuser, child molester or convicted felon? Why are you barred from owning a firearm, Whooter? My wife does the NCICS checks for handgun permits at the county sheriff's office and guess "who"se name comes right up as "restricted"? Please explain to the readers why you are concealing your extensive criminal record, Whooter.
Whooter tries to wiggle out of the problem:
Why are you barred from owning a firearm, Whooter? My wife does the NCICS checks for handgun permits at the county sheriff's office and guess "who"se name comes right up as "restricted"? Please explain to the readers why you are concealing your extensive criminal record, Whooter.
Ha,Ha,Ha so your wife plugged in the name Whooter and comes up with information? Dont you realize this is just a log in name? My name isnt really Whooter. I use to go by the name of "Thewho" and psy, I think, nicknamed me whooter which stuck for most people so this is what I go by now. But you cant do an FBI check on me lol.
Thats funny!
But the wiggle room is closed off:
No, she ran the name "John David Reuben" and came back with an exctensive arrest record beginning with petty crimes in Boston in the 1970's and one in Michigan, just like Whooter admitted to on this forum. So now we're supposed to believe, along with all of the other evidence that Whooter is Reuben, that their arrest records are identical by coincidence? Sorry, Whooter, but we all know who you are and this is just more proof. You're a low-life criminal and everyone should be aware of that.
Again, TheWho tries to make a joke of it and dismiss it, but it won't go away:
No, she ran the name "John David Reuben" and came back with an exctensive arrest record beginning with petty crimes in Boston in the 1970's and one in Michigan, just like Whooter admitted to on this forum. So now we're supposed to believe, along with all of the other evidence that Whooter is Reuben, that their arrest records are identical by coincidence? Sorry, Whooter, but we all know who you are and this is just more proof. You're a low-life criminal and everyone should be aware of that.
Oh No! I have an FBI record! What should I do? Now everyone thinks I am this guy Reuben. If I get fired will this give me more time to post? or will I have to go job hunting. Wait I am so confused, I thought I was employed by Aspen? At least that is what everyone was saying here on fornits. I am suppose to be a shill. Have I gone from a shill to a low life criminal? Is there a program for someone suffering with identity issues?
Back to the topic:
I think it has been pretty well documented that you are Reuben. You share the same criminal record, you both shill for Aspen, you both had a son die after attending SUWS and ASR, you both had a son at HLA, you both took a trip to Chicago to meet with Lon Woodbury, Leslie Goldberg and a host of other industry bogeymen just before STICC was launched. Really, you're not fooling anyone.
The criminal record just cemented the facts. What are the odds that two people share the same arrest record in two separate states for the same crimes at the same time?
Why don't you just explain to the readers how you and Reuben share so many similarities including an identical arrest record that you already admitted to here?
Good question. But it isn't answered.
You could probably document this Reuben guy as being there, but how do you place me there? You say you have documented evidence.
He just said I could probably document Reuben being there but not TheWho, and again he demands "proof" that he was ever in Chicago at all:
Well, first off, you posted under the usename TheWho that you made the trip to Chicago to meet with people to discuss the industry and program safety while you posting your "matrix." Now you're denying it? Lying then or lying now? I think now.
Show the links and the time frames. Whether I say it is true or not true makes no difference. Was I posting from chicago as "thewho" when this Reuben guy was. If you have convinced yourself then you must be able to produce this time frame via links to posts. Why not ask Psy for a favor... he can check the ip address from the posts I made during the time you said I was in Chicago. If it shows those posts were coming from Chicago then that is fairly solid evidence. If I was posting from Massachusetts then I was there. This would be a good start for you, unless you want to avoid knowing for sure and stay with your fantasy
You also admitted, using the username TheWho to being "arrested several times in Boston." Plus another arrest in Michigan. Lying then, or lying now? I think now.
Show the link.
Reuben was also arrested several times in Boston in the 1970's and again in Michigan for destruction of property in the same time frame. Under the username TheWho you admitted to destroying a college campus in Michigan and being arrested for that. Rueben was arrested for the same thing in the same place. Coincidence? I don't think so.
Show the link that convinced you of this so we can all see it.
As for the ficticious story you created here about your "daughter," well, that doesn't mean much.
So your story doesnt add up and you say it doesnt mean much? Ha,Ha,Ha how do you decifer what is true and what isnt?
You lie about all sorts of things and that's just one more. You don't like to admit that SUWS and ASR failed your son, Mike, and that he's dead now because he never got the help he needed.
If I lie about all sorts of things than you need to show us all the links where you base your conclusions on. Since you say I lie you can pretty much say what ever you want and blame the discrepancies on my lieing.
Why don't you just spell out your extensive arrest record for the readers so they at least can see you're being honest about it. You may gain some credibility if you start by telling the truth. I know you don't own a firearm. No need to explain that. You're disallowed from owning one due to your criminal history. An NCICS check of your name proved this as well.
You claim to have all the information on me, why dont you spell it out lol .... or did you make that up too.
So far you have provided the readers with no evidence at all. Line up the time lines of when this guy Reuben was in chicago and when you think I was. Toss up the links which helped you make this connection or is this just a story line for you?
So I post one of TheWho's posts with a link to the original showing TheWho bragging about his tript to Chicago with a group of other people interested in the TTI and its safety. "Show the link!" he demands, not realizing it would be a link to his very own post:
TheWho claiming to have met in Chicago:
Well, I PM?d several people here on fornits and eventually we formed a ?Statistical group? and decided to meet at the Hyatt in Chicago about a month ago. We spent 3 days hammering out a direction and figured we would tackle the TBS sector first. We felt you were well respected here at fornits and had your hands around the other areas and were doing fine independently. Your name was brought up several times so you were not forgotten or left out.
TheWho claiming to have met in Chicago
TheWho admitting to his arrest record, but leaving out quite a bit of tha nasty stuff:
Hi Anne, seems I am on the hot seat:
Actually I do have a record. The last time I was arrested was in college. I was arrested several times in Boston (for various protests and acts of civil disobedience) and once in Ann Arbor Michigan (when a protest got out of hand). I was underage, skipped school and scored a plane ticket from my sisters boyfriend when my parents were in Europe and went to the campus of Univ of Michigan in Ann arbor, myself and several people were arrested for digging these huge craters on the Diag which were meant to simulate bomb holes left by the US in Vietnam, by far my best arrest (like 40 or 50 of us were arrested). Thought I was going to be sent away when my folks cut their trip short to come home to get me, anyway, that one is probably sealed because I was underaged. I will never forget they separated me from the others for some reason and I ended up in a cell with 5 other people. This one hue black guy who was obviously drunk out of his mind kept falling asleep and then falling off his bench...he would then wake up and look right at me and say something like : if you push me again white boy I will "F" you up so much even your mother will not love you..... I was so scared that after a couple of times I waited for him to fall asleep and then I took my shoes off and wedged them underneath him so he wouldnt roll off the bench again.
TheWho admitting to his arrest record for "multiple arrests"
Lying THEN, or lying NOW? Does it really matter? It's proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that TheWho has been caught lying again, right here in this thread. Lying about his extensive arrest record and lying about his trip to Chicago with Lon Woodbury and Martha Kolbe, along with others.
It is so easy to catch you lying because you lie so much you can't remember your lies. And because you sold your username, you can't edit what you wrote. How very sad to prove you are a liar once again. I already proved you just lied about your extensive arrest record and meeting in Chicago. Two things you claimed I could never prove. But there it is, in cold print, written by YOU.
Busted lying in his own words yet again, both about his criminal history and his trip to Chicago which he was fully denying just moments before.
Now he also admits to his criminal record, after having his hand forced, and also to his trip to Chicago he was vehemently denying before:
TheWho claiming to have met in Chicago:
Well, I PM?d several people here on fornits and eventually we formed a ?Statistical group? and decided to meet at the Hyatt in Chicago about a month ago. We spent 3 days hammering out a direction and figured we would tackle the TBS sector first. We felt you were well respected here at fornits and had your hands around the other areas and were doing fine independently. Your name was brought up several times so you were not forgotten or left out.
TheWho claiming to have met in Chicago
So the above post was written February 8, 2007 and indicates that a meeting was held a month prior putting it at around January 8, 2007. Does this match up with the time frame you have of Reuben meeting with Woodbury and the rest of these people? I admit this would be interesting if it were the same time.
TheWho admitting to his arrest record, but leaving out quite a bit of tha nasty stuff:
Hi Anne, seems I am on the hot seat:
Actually I do have a record. The last time I was arrested was in college. I was arrested several times in Boston (for various protests and acts of civil disobedience) and once in Ann Arbor Michigan (when a protest got out of hand). I was underage, skipped school and scored a plane ticket from my sisters boyfriend when my parents were in Europe and went to the campus of Univ of Michigan in Ann arbor, myself and several people were arrested for digging these huge craters on the Diag which were meant to simulate bomb holes left by the US in Vietnam, by far my best arrest (like 40 or 50 of us were arrested). Thought I was going to be sent away when my folks cut their trip short to come home to get me, anyway, that one is probably sealed because I was underaged. I will never forget they separated me from the others for some reason and I ended up in a cell with 5 other people. This one hue black guy who was obviously drunk out of his mind kept falling asleep and then falling off his bench...he would then wake up and look right at me and say something like : if you push me again white boy I will "F" you up so much even your mother will not love you..... I was so scared that after a couple of times I waited for him to fall asleep and then I took my shoes off and wedged them underneath him so he wouldnt roll off the bench again.
TheWho admitting to his arrest record for "multiple arrests"
Lying THEN, or lying NOW? Does it really matter? It's proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that TheWho has been caught lying again, right here in this thread. Lying about his extensive arrest record and lying about his trip to Chicago with Lon Woodbury and Martha Kolbe, along with others.
It is so easy to catch you lying because you lie so much you can't remember your lies. And because you sold your username, you can't edit what you wrote. How very sad to prove you are a liar once again. I already proved you just lied about your extensive arrest record and meeting in Chicago. Two things you claimed I could never prove. But there it is, in cold print, [bu]written by YOU.[/u]
What I see is consitency. The posts show that the last time I was arrested was in college. Where is the lie?
Where's the lie? You have been denying you have a criminal record all day! But you were caught again, lying as usual.
And he says that the post was from January, 2007 and the meeting was a month before, so there must be evidence to support Lon and leslie being there, right? RIGHT?? Well, yes. They both attended and IECA "Professional Development Series" set of lectures in...wait for it... November and December, 2006, exactly a month before Whooter's post admitting to meeting in Chicago "a month ago." Pinched lying again.
Now he's confronted with a PM he sent me (I was using the login "Concerned Parent" and he was using "TheWho"):
you both took a trip to Chicago to meet with Lon Woodbury, Martha Kolbe and a host of other industry bogeymen just before STICC was launched.
STICC was launched in April of 2004 and thewhos post that you provided shows he was in chicago for the meeting in January of 2007.
If you had evidence of any kind to show that Woodbury, Martha Kolbe and Reuben were in Chicago in January 2007, when thewho was there, then I think we would all believe you. What was the evidence or post that convinced you that this meeting took place? I find it curious that you posted that but never provided the link.
Oh, but I did provide the link showing you were in Chicago in 2007 and that you lied and said you never went there. Busted for that lie. You were denying that just a few minutes ago, but now you changed your tune. I also have a little PM exchange between you and me (using the login "Concerned Parent"). I wrote you a PM asking for info on ASR and you wrote me back to contact you privately at your email address:
Re: Is ASR a good program?
Sent: Fri Jun 06, 2007 1:07 pm
From: TheWho
To: Concerned Parent
Personally I think ASR is a good program. It worked for our family. My kid was there
when Dave Marcus wrote his book based on the kids in the program and they got back on
track and matured. I have been to the campus many times and think if it's a good fit
for your son that you shouldn't worry about it. Don't trust what you read on this site
because the members here are all anti-program and have an agenda to discredit all
programs. If you want to contact me outside fornits I can help you get in contact with
someone who can help you make the right decision. You can email me at
onekidatatime@yahoo.com to explore a placement option with your network. I did not pursue the exchange thereafter. I just saved it for times like this.
I think the readers can see that you are squirming and trying to get out of your lies, but the problem is that they are all archived as written by you. I just reposted them with links to prove you were lying. See, Whooter, you've weaved such a tangled web of lies here that you have forgotten when and to whom you've told all these lies, so you get caught lying again and again denying what was clearly and provably posted by you before. Very sloppy on your part. Ready to get honest yet?
So it has been proven that TheWho was lying through his teeth about his trip to Chicago and his criminal record. It has also been proven that there was an IECA conference at the same time and Woodbury and Golberg were at that conference. Also proven is that TheWho solicited parents using the email address onekidatatime@yahoo.com. Why is that important? It's the address for John Reuben and listed on the whois for the STICC website. Check it out: John Reuben IS TheWho. Proven beyond a shadow of a doubt.
