Dead, insane, or in jail (general discussion)

[RobertBruce]

Although, I don't personally think Dead or in Jail is exaggerating in most cases.

That's because you support kiddie prisons, gulags, and kidnapping. You disprove your own point by showing that programmies are not exaggerating when they tell kids who shake off the brainwashing and walk out that they will soon be 'dead, insane, or in jail '. It was a common catch phrase among the staff when I was locked up at HLA. Anytime any kid got out he was assured of his fate. The funny thing is that I stay in touch with many of my former inmates, and the ones who escaped the program before completion are better adjusted now than the ones who completed it.

No one is exaggerating John, on either side. Thank you for proving that point.

[Maximilian]

Although, I don't personally think Dead or in Jail is exaggerating in most cases.

That's because you support kiddie prisons, gulags, and kidnapping. You disprove your own point by showing that programmies are not exaggerating when they tell kids who shake off the brainwashing and walk out that they will soon be 'dead, insane, or in jail '. It was a common catch phrase among the staff when I was locked up at HLA. Anytime any kid got out he was assured of his fate. The funny thing is that I stay in touch with many of my former inmates, and the ones who escaped the program before completion are better adjusted now than the ones who completed it.

No one is exaggerating John, on either side. Thank you for proving that point.

The underlined words are examples of terms used only on fornits in the context of adolescent treatment programs. So when people here accuse people like me of using "program speak", or even this poster referring to program catch phrases, don't forget that fornits has developed it's own language, and catch phrases. These are used, of course, in an attempt to make programs seem much worse than they are, but that is obvious. From this point on I am going to refer to this phenomenon as "fornits speak".

[RobertBruce]

Again, no one is exaggerating anything on the anti child abuse side. No one needs to make these programs sound worse than they are, they're bad enough all on their own.

[Froderik]

Again, no one is exaggerating anything on the anti child abuse side. No one needs to make these programs sound worse than they are, they're bad enough all on their own.

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[Whooter]

Although, I don't personally think Dead or in Jail is exaggerating in most cases.

That's because you support kiddie prisons, gulags, and kidnapping. You disprove your own point by showing that programmies are not exaggerating when they tell kids who shake off the brainwashing and walk out that they will soon be 'dead, insane, or in jail '. It was a common catch phrase among the staff when I was locked up at HLA. Anytime any kid got out he was assured of his fate. The funny thing is that I stay in touch with many of my former inmates, and the ones who escaped the program before completion are better adjusted now than the ones who completed it.

No one is exaggerating John, on either side. Thank you for proving that point.

This proves my point that there are gross exaggerations in many of the stories.  10s of thousands of kids attend these programs every year and I have never seen a report (outside of fornits) where the FBI needed to get involved to solve any or all these cases for kidnapping.  Try to locate a Gulag within the US or Kiddie prison.

You exaggerate your stories Bruce the same way you exaggerate the time you spent in one.  Most of the readers know that we need to take it with a grain of salt.



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[RobertBruce]

This proves my point that there are gross exaggerations in many of the stories. 10s of thousands of kids attend these programs every year and I have never seen a report (outside of fornits) where the FBI needed to get involved to solve any or all these cases for kidnapping. Try to locate a Gulag within the US or Kiddie prison.

You exaggerate your stories Bruce the same way you exaggerate the time you spent in one. Most of the readers know that we need to take it with a grain of salt.

Yet you still can't seem to back that claim up John. You can't because you got your information about someone else entirely through a violation of HIPPA laws when an HLA staff member talked to you openly about a former inmate. You won't admit that because you're a coward and hate accountability.

I was in HLA for about a year John, I can prove it, and you have nothing that can refute that fact.

The more you lie about this the more people I'll continue to expose you to. I know you really are who we say you are, I know you know who I can and will contact, I know you know who I have and have not yet contacted. Choose wisely Johnny.

Remember you have no credibility on here John, no one with any degree of common sense or at least half a brain takes anything you say seriously. Especially when you're too scared to ever back up your claims.

Now, you've already been warned about staying on topic and not attempting to derail threads. This is your last warning, the next time I'm going to Psy and will ask for your removal.

That being said I'll answer your question with a question. If we're all exaggerating about how abusive these places are, why are so many of these places being shut down? Why are so many of them being forced to settle or pay judgements to kids claiming abuse? Why are so many kids dying in these places? You get back to me on that and others Johnny.

[Froderik]

This proves my point that there are gross exaggerations in many of the stories.

Nope, sorry, that doesn't prove shit..

[Whooter]

I was in HLA for about a year John, I can prove it, and you have nothing that can refute that fact.

3 weeks...  Bruce.  Your nose is growing.

That being said I'll answer your question with a question. If we're all exaggerating about how abusive these places are.

no, Robert, not if you were exaggerating.  I just caught you exaggerating in the previous post.  If you were not exaggerating about the kidnapping then you would have provided posts to Americas most Wanted or other notable news reports.  Kidnapping under-aged children is a capital offense and all these thousands of kidnappings of children being placed in Gulags would have made the news.

The readers know that you exaggerate your stories, Bruce, you have just proved it to us.  I suggest that you stay on topic and not start up with all your HIPPA statements and trying to blackmail me into staying quiet about your short stay at HLA.

I would suggest you take that over to the "OFFA" forum.  Thanks in advance.



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[RobertBruce]

3 weeks... Bruce. Your nose is growing.

Then prove it Johnny. If you're so certain then prove it. For once back up your claim. Until then you're just this:

no, Robert, not if you were exaggerating. I just caught you exaggerating in the previous post.

Regarding what Johnny? What did you catch me exaggerating about? So far I've seen you babbel on about quite a bit, but you don't seem to be able to back anything up. Until you do you're just:

If you were not exaggerating about the kidnapping then you would have provided posts to Americas most Wanted or other notable news reports. Kidnapping under-aged children is a capital offense and all these thousands of kidnappings of children being placed in Gulags would have made the news.

Johnny let's not waste bandwith or time. You as a industy insider are very familiar with the use of escorts to deliver kids from their homes to programs. A child forcibly removed from their home without their consent, often literally grabbed out of bed in the middle of the night and taken without any notice or warning to another location sounds like kidnapping. I know you have trouble with how to use a dictionary, but you might want to look it up. A gulag is a system of prisons and forced labor camps, usually used to silence dissidents where prisoners were fed starvation diets and abused. Sounds pretty familiar. Again, grab a dictionary Johnny, ask for help if you need it.

The readers know that you exaggerate your stories, Bruce, you have just proved it to us. I suggest that you stay on topic and not start up with all your HIPPA statements and trying to blackmail me into staying quiet about your short stay at HLA.

While you're looking up those other terms in the dictionary I recommend you look up what blackmail actually means. It's become apparent you dont really understand the concept. Again, I understand you hate accountability, but I'm not letting you move forward until you come clean. You can wiggle wiggle but you can't get free. Stings doesn't it Johnny? No one with any common sense or half a brain believes your nonsense. You're only convincing your fellow kool aid drinkers. No one who matters or contributes anything.

Oh, I've decided I'm going to email your sister Catharine next. You've got about 22 hours left to either back up your claim, or acknowlege you made it up. While you're deciding stay on topic or take it your garbage depot. Everything you say really belongs there, but it's best to compartamentalize your nonsense. Get to it.

[Whooter]

So bottom line is that you cannot back up your kidnapping charge.  All the readers know that it isnt true,  we all watch the news.  Just another exaggeration to add to the RB list.  If you can come up with just one investigation which is pending (and supply the link) then I will discuss it.  Otherwise we will treat it like all your other claims:





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[RobertBruce]

Well let me ask you Johnny, when you had Max and Mike (before he killed himself due to your actions) shipped off to their programs, did you use an escort service?

While you're answering that we're all still waiting for you to actually back up your claims or stop lying. Until you do you're just this:

[Whooter]

Well let me ask you Johnny, when you had Max and Mike (before he killed himself due to your actions) shipped off to their programs, did you use an escort service?

So you are trying to derail the thread again by changing the subject to this Reuben guy.  Take this down to the "offa" thread.

We were talking about  "dead, insane or in Jail" and you claimed that kids are kidnapped and taken to Gulags.  We havent seen any evidence of this and were curious if this was just another one of your exaggerations or if you had some links to support your claims.



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[RobertBruce]

Not at all Johnny, I'm waiting on you to answer the simple question put to you. When you shipped your sons off to their gulags, did you use escorts? Not the kind you pick up in Atlantic City but the ones that work in your industry.  Simple yes or no John.

In the meantime no one is expecting you to back up your claim regarding my incarceration at HLA. Everyone knows you can't and it just gets added to the list of the multiple lies you've told on here. Too bad for you I'm forcing you to be accountable for it. We aren't moving forward until you own up. It's for your own good.

Wiggle wiggle but you can't get free. Stings doesn't it John?

[Whooter]

Not at all Johnny, I'm waiting on you to answer the simple question put to you. When you shipped your sons off to their gulags, did you use escorts? Not the kind you pick up in Atlantic City but the ones that work in your industry.  Simple yes or no John.

In the meantime no one is expecting you to back up your claim regarding my incarceration at HLA. Everyone knows you can't and it just gets added to the list of the multiple lies you've told on here. Too bad for you I'm forcing you to be accountable for it. We aren't moving forward until you own up. It's for your own good.

Wiggle wiggle but you can't get free. Stings doesn't it John?

Look, Bruce, take this to the "offa" thread.  I never had any sons who went to programs nor have a sister named Cathrine.  You are delusional and should contact "controlling troll" (you guys think alike).  You are free to threaten and email anyone you like.  But I think you have a sickness of some type contacting these people who lost a son and brother to suicide and the recent death of their wife and mother.  You lack a soul, Bruce, but do what you have to do if it keeps your adrenaline going, I guess.  Maybe contact PODKs and Niles they solve their internal personal issues the same way you do.  Maybe you can create a porn site together and humiliate the whole family!!  But either way you cant blackmail me into lying and siding with you.

Just start being honest with the posters here and join in the conversation you may find that you enjoy it without threatening people all the time.



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[Samara]

Whooter, I can't keep track of the who says what and all the attendant aliases and conspiracy theories. I have no idea if you are John, Dick or Harry or even John's hairy dick, but the problem is when you talk about honesty after admitting you have faked not just names (which I don't give a shit about unless you impersonate someone here), but perspectives and personas. Maybe you should worry a little less about other people's conpsiracy theories and more about what YOU do to perpetuate them.