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Offline Whooter

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Re: Dead, insane, or in jail
« Reply #105 on: September 25, 2010, 10:30:24 PM »
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Who: You do a great job evading responsibility for your deception.

Oh, boo hoo! A person with no empathy thinks I am a shitty person. Shoot me.

PS. Of course I've got a bias - but you have lied about me. That is a direct experience. I haven't followed all of your crap with DJ. Yours' came at me.  To my knowledge, he has not impersonated you the way you have with RB. I will defend innocent people like Morgan, but I'm not going to jump in and defend you and your ball of confusion, Sweet Cheeks.

I am not looking for your support nor want it (anyone who knows me knows this much). I just wanted to expose the type of person you are, Samara, because you deceive people.  People who stay silent and allow harmful events to occur is one thing (its shitty and its wrong).  But those who accept actions from one group and then pretend to show concern by calling out someone they dont like on the exact same issues shows that you are insincere to the core and cannot be trusted.

I was successful in exposing this I believe.



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Re: Dead, insane, or in jail
« Reply #106 on: September 25, 2010, 10:59:08 PM »
man, you are delusional. ummm... a guy who impersonates and lies about people exposes someone who doesn't? Interetsing tactic. let me know how that works out for ya.
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Re: Dead, insane, or in jail
« Reply #107 on: September 26, 2010, 08:35:51 AM »
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3 weeks... Bruce. Your nose is growing.

Then prove it Johnny. If you're so certain then prove it. For once back up your claim. Until then you're just this:



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no, Robert, not if you were exaggerating. I just caught you exaggerating in the previous post.

Regarding what Johnny? What did you catch me exaggerating about? So far I've seen you babbel on about quite a bit, but you don't seem to be able to back anything up. Until you do you're just:



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If you were not exaggerating about the kidnapping then you would have provided posts to Americas most Wanted or other notable news reports. Kidnapping under-aged children is a capital offense and all these thousands of kidnappings of children being placed in Gulags would have made the news.


Johnny let's not waste bandwith or time. You as a industy insider are very familiar with the use of escorts to deliver kids from their homes to programs. A child forcibly removed from their home without their consent, often literally grabbed out of bed in the middle of the night and taken without any notice or warning to another location sounds like kidnapping. I know you have trouble with how to use a dictionary, but you might want to look it up. A gulag is a system of prisons and forced labor camps, usually used to silence dissidents where prisoners were fed starvation diets and abused. Sounds pretty familiar. Again, grab a dictionary Johnny, ask for help if you need it.

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The readers know that you exaggerate your stories, Bruce, you have just proved it to us. I suggest that you stay on topic and not start up with all your HIPPA statements and trying to blackmail me into staying quiet about your short stay at HLA.

While you're looking up those other terms in the dictionary I recommend you look up what blackmail actually means. It's become apparent you dont really understand the concept. Again, I understand you hate accountability, but I'm not letting you move forward until you come clean. You can wiggle wiggle but you can't get free. Stings doesn't it Johnny? No one with any common sense or half a brain believes your nonsense. You're only convincing your fellow kool aid drinkers. No one who matters or contributes anything.

Oh, I've decided I'm going to email your sister Catharine next. You've got about 22 hours left to either back up your claim, or acknowlege you made it up. While you're deciding stay on topic or take it your garbage depot. Everything you say really belongs there, but it's best to compartamentalize your nonsense. Get to it.

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Re: Dead, insane, or in jail
« Reply #108 on: September 26, 2010, 08:47:00 AM »
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Unfortunately RobertBruce came up empty on providing evidence that kids were kidnapped (as he claimed happened).  So we have no choice but to assume he was making things up and exaggerating again.

Sine we now know he was exaggerating with his kidnapping stories we need to question all his other stories that he has told here.



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Re: Dead, insane, or in jail
« Reply #109 on: September 26, 2010, 09:47:15 AM »
No John, the kidnapping claim was proven. You just didn't like that fact so you tried to drop the matter entirely. The rest of us agreed that kidnapping is involved with this industry.

As to all of my other claims. I'm a much more honest person than you are, but if you want to bring up specific claims, I'll be glad to address them.
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Re: Dead, insane, or in jail
« Reply #110 on: September 26, 2010, 09:52:52 AM »
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No John, the kidnapping claim was proven.

Link to the thousands of kidnappings?

Reputable News agency or FBI report would do.

Then you can work on locating all these kiddie prisons that you speak of.  If these are exaggerations then just be honest.



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Re: Dead, insane, or in jail
« Reply #111 on: September 26, 2010, 10:02:15 AM »
No problem Johnny, just as soon as you back up your multiple claims regarding me. Get to it, I'm not letting you move forward until you do. Stings doesn't it? You can wiggle wiggle but you can't get free.
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Re: Dead, insane, or in jail
« Reply #112 on: September 26, 2010, 10:35:12 AM »
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No John, the kidnapping claim was proven.

Link to the thousands of kidnappings?

Reputable News agency or FBI report would do.

Then you can work on locating all these kiddie prisons that you speak of.  If these are exaggerations then just be honest.



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No problem..

We will be here waiting.  Oh, no are you going to email someones mother!!  lol



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Re: Dead, insane, or in jail
« Reply #113 on: September 26, 2010, 10:36:39 AM »
We're just waiting on you John. Let us know what you come up with.
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Re: Dead, insane, or in jail
« Reply #114 on: September 26, 2010, 11:37:52 AM »
Bobby, it will be okay.  You got caught exaggerating again.  Just be honest and I will not call you on it.  Maybe if you email and harass someones' family about their dead siblings you will feel better.  That seems to work for you.





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Re: Dead, insane, or in jail
« Reply #115 on: September 26, 2010, 11:59:04 AM »
John, we're talking about you right now. Don't try and deflect the issues.

We're waiting on you to back up your claims regarding me. Go ahead, the floor is yours.
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Re: Dead, insane, or in jail
« Reply #116 on: September 26, 2010, 12:18:51 PM »
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John, we're talking about you right now. Don't try and deflect the issues.

We're waiting on you to back up your claims regarding me. Go ahead, the floor is yours.

This thread is getting derailed lets take it Here:



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Re: Dead, insane, or in jail
« Reply #117 on: September 26, 2010, 12:23:15 PM »
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I think the descriptive of having been in danger of being "dead, insane or in jail" sans the program ... also dovetails rather nicely with the preferred self-image of the fully kool-aid perfused TC apologist. It sometimes seems like the baaaad part of these people's lives gets exaggerated ... to better emphasize the contrast with their lives once they "saw the light."
Exactly, each side is trying to get their point across by exaggerating.....  "Dead, Insane or in Jail"... vs.   "Gulag, Prison, Kidnapping".  It is meant to get people thinking about whether they should place their child or not.  You need to consider the down side and not just the up side.

Although, I don't personally think Dead or in Jail is exaggerating in most cases.
Mmm. I think the point I was trying to make is that some people want to see themselves in having been in such a sorry state. That is, it has nothing to do with someone else placing their kid in a program or not. It has entirely to do with taking on such a melodramatic ethos in order to rationalize one's decisions and to bring greater importance to one's life.

The profound lows, the exhilarating highs, the obligatory illumination that provides the pat answers... Kind of like a psychological or spiritual variation of the classic rags to riches tale.

I s'pose it's human nature to exaggerate the extremes, but... while not wishing to undermine the direness of the straits some folk really were in, I think some folk do take it to a perverse degree of self-delusion or even narcissism.


Well done, one problem, this explanation works for you and your kin but has nothing to do with the reality a lot of kids face.
Now whether a program, parent or child is manipulating is not the point here (IMO), keeping children from death, insanity or juvenile detention centers is.

This was the last post before it started to get derailed.  Lets pick it up here:



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Re: Dead, insane, or in jail
« Reply #118 on: September 26, 2010, 12:30:08 PM »
Yes John, please stop constantly trying to derail threads with your trolling. We can discuss your unsubstianiated claims and lies you've told elsewhere. In the meantime this thread is dedicated to discussing why pro child abuse people such as yourself constantly attempt to use the same tired fear tactic again and again in an effort to coerce parents and kids into remaining in ineffective abuse programs.

So what are your thoughts?
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Re: Dead, insane, or in jail
« Reply #119 on: September 26, 2010, 05:20:40 PM »
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Mmm. I think the point I was trying to make is that some people want to see themselves in having been in such a sorry state. That is, it has nothing to do with someone else placing their kid in a program or not. It has entirely to do with taking on such a melodramatic ethos in order to rationalize one's decisions and to bring greater importance to one's life.

The profound lows, the exhilarating highs, the obligatory illumination that provides the pat answers... Kind of like a psychological or spiritual variation of the classic rags to riches tale.

I s'pose it's human nature to exaggerate the extremes, but... while not wishing to undermine the direness of the straits some folk really were in, I think some folk do take it to a perverse degree of self-delusion or even narcissism.

An interesting discussion.  I agree that there is exaggeration on both sides in some cases.  (Dead insane and in Jail may be exaggerated by some programs to help the placement along).  Like you mentioned the "melodramatic ethos" serve to rationalize ones decision.  This would have to equally apply to those survivors who choose to tell dramatic stories of kidnappings and being held prisoner in gulags.  We know these are fantasies but they are told for a reason.  Maybe because these descriptive words relieve them of any responsibility for their part in being placed into the program.  I mean how can we blame a kid who was kidnapped and placed in a Gulag.  None of that could have been his/her fault right (if they were kidnapped)?  If a survivor tells this story they are viewed as a victim and can play the part.  where as if they say they went to Juvy or a RTC people would ask "What did you do to get your ass placed in there?"  By saying they were kidnapped they deflect all responsibility for the placement and avoid having to explain how they screwed up.



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