Dead, insane, or in jail (general discussion)

[Maximilian]

The posters here should thank Whooter for taking the time to even talk to them. Here is a reasonable adult, taking questions and responding to what amounts to spoiled and angry children. Have anybody here ever babysat or raised kids, at that age when they keep asking questions rapid fire, one after the other? Why is the sky blue?! Where does the sun go? Why do you do this? Why do you do that? This is what it's like for Whooter on fornits, and yet he puts up with it day after day, and brings nothing but maturity and common sense to a forum severely lacking both.

Whooter has to deal with a group of bitter, angry adults who still have daddy and mommy issues, and question Whooter as if he's a surrogate parent representative of every parents who ever sent a kid to a program. Not only that, but people also attribute programs themselves to him, because he's known as a rich investor that owns lots of programs. It's almost as if everything people hate, is conveniently wrapped up into one tidy package for people to unload their hate, and family issues all at once. It's amazing to me how much people obsess and get angry of Whooter, who holds very reasonable views on this industry, actually. There are people out there who work day and night helping parents send kids to programs, you know, real edcons, not the imaginary ones who post on fornits. Yet people ignore the people who work to send kids to programs in reality, and focus in on their delusional creation here, and spend literally years trolling Whooter for apparently no reason at all, other than they are angry and don't have any other outlet for it.

That's why people should thank Whooter for putting up with all their immature bullshit, because without him, there'd be a bunch of 'survivors' arguing amongst themselves. Instead Whooter provides a useful foundation for the creation of a straw man which they routinely and ceremonial burn, representative of all their long held hatred for their own family, and secretly themselves. Without Whooter, all you'd have left is your hate and nobody to unload it on. Well, you could always write your parents a letter, but where's the fun in that.

[Whooter]

Whooter, I can't keep track of the who says what and all the attendant aliases and conspiracy theories. I have no idea if you are John, Dick or Harry or even John's hairy dick, but the problem is when you talk about honesty after admitting you have faked not just names (which I don't give a shit about unless you impersonate someone here), but perspectives and personas. Maybe you should worry a little less about other people's conpsiracy theories and more about what YOU do to perpetuate them.

Look Samara, there were many people who logged in under many aliases  (ask around I am not the only one).  For the most part (personally) I did this to ward off the trolls and attacks on me since I was in the minority thinking on this board.  With the new rules we need to move away from attacking each other and trying to figure out each others identity and exposing them.  The trolling should end.  I dont really care who you are in real life or how many identities you logged in under.

But anyway,  I think this discussion is better suited for the "open free for all thread" (offa) this is getting off topic.  I would be glad to discuss this with you further on another thread if your like.



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[RobertBruce]

Look, Bruce, take this to the "offa" thread. I never had any sons who went to programs nor have a sister named Cathrine. You are delusional and should contact "controlling troll" (you guys think alike). You are free to threaten and email anyone you like. But I think you have a sickness of some type contacting these people who lost a son and brother to suicide and the recent death of their wife and mother. You lack a soul, Bruce, but do what you have to do if it keeps your adrenaline going, I guess. Maybe contact PODKs and Niles they solve their internal personal issues the same way you do. Maybe you can create a porn site together and humiliate the whole family!! But either way you cant blackmail me into lying and siding with you.

That's so strange John, because I remember a time when you told me that I had to take your side in an argument or you would "release some very damaging and embarrassing information" that you claimed an HLA staffer had given you. You didnt seem to understand that I found your threats meaningless, and knew you had nothing. You actually enjoyed believing you were holding something over me.

It's odd that your quote above seems to describe that exact same situation. What would make a person like yourself lie about an abuse survivor? What make you attempt to blackmail an abuse survivor into taking your side in an online argument? What kind of sick individual must you be to try and threaten and attempt to blackmail someone who was abused as a child? Who simply because you lost countless arguments with me and were embarrassed time and time again feel the need to try lie and claim I'm gay? Who after losing argument after argument has to accuse the people who embarrassed him of being child molestors? The abuse of this industry you sent your own children to is highlighted again and again, so knowing you can't dismiss the claims, you lie about the amount of time I spent locked up in HLA. And after all that you're still naive enough to think you're convincing someone of something. You need some serious help John. Maybe you can look into opening up a behavior modification program for over the hill child abuse supporters like yourself, Max, and Karen.


The part is that I've said many times that given the fact that you are an industry insider you really could offer a unique perspective to the conversation. You however are more interested in playing games and burying the truth about the abuses in these places. Maybe you could try some honesty John, stop all the lying and see how that works out for you.

In the meantime I'm interested to know whether you utilized escorts when you locked your kids up in their programs. Simple question John, remmber you don't have to lie about it.

[RobertBruce]

The posters here should thank Whooter for taking the time to even talk to them. Here is a reasonable adult, taking questions and responding to what amounts to spoiled and angry children. Have anybody here ever babysat or raised kids, at that age when they keep asking questions rapid fire, one after the other? Why is the sky blue?! Where does the sun go? Why do you do this? Why do you do that? This is what it's like for Whooter on fornits, and yet he puts up with it day after day, and brings nothing but maturity and common sense to a forum severely lacking both.

Whooter has to deal with a group of bitter, angry adults who still have daddy and mommy issues, and question Whooter as if he's a surrogate parent representative of every parents who ever sent a kid to a program. Not only that, but people also attribute programs themselves to him, because he's known as a rich investor that owns lots of programs. It's almost as if everything people hate, is conveniently wrapped up into one tidy package for people to unload their hate, and family issues all at once. It's amazing to me how much people obsess and get angry of Whooter, who holds very reasonable views on this industry, actually. There are people out there who work day and night helping parents send kids to programs, you know, real edcons, not the imaginary ones who post on fornits. Yet people ignore the people who work to send kids to programs in reality, and focus in on their delusional creation here, and spend literally years trolling Whooter for apparently no reason at all, other than they are angry and don't have any other outlet for it.

That's why people should thank Whooter for putting up with all their immature bullshit, because without him, there'd be a bunch of 'survivors' arguing amongst themselves. Instead Whooter provides a useful foundation for the creation of a straw man which they routinely and ceremonial burn, representative of all their long held hatred for their own family, and secretly themselves. Without Whooter, all you'd have left is your hate and nobody to unload it on. Well, you could always write your parents a letter, but where's the fun in that.

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[RobertBruce]

Look Samara, there were many people who logged in under many aliases (ask around I am not the only one). For the most part (personally) I did this to ward off the trolls and attacks on me since I was in the minority thinking on this board. With the new rules we need to move away from attacking each other and trying to figure out each others identity and exposing them. The trolling should end. I dont really care who you are in real life or how many identities you logged in under.

But anyway, I think this discussion is better suited for the "open free for all thread" (offa) this is getting off topic. I would be glad to discuss this with you further on another thread if your like.

Wait wait wait......are you actually trying to claim that you impersonated other posters and trolled yourself in an effort to avoid trolls?

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Come on now John, you're not even trying.

[Samara]

Whooter, way to flip the script. Agreed, it's one thing to have a different name but another entirely to adopt contradictory personas AND pretend to be a poster that already exists. And to be clear, I think it is bullshit when anyone does that. But come on - you were the biggest talent in this regard. And possibly the only one who did it without your tongue in cheek, which is malevolent.

Anyway, I gotta go because I must prepare my altar to you as per Maxi's instructions. Damn, if I only had your picture for my shrine. This way, I won't end up deadinsaneorinjail.  

(Maxi -  you must be cracking your ass off at your suggestion. You know you did it strictly to goad.)

[Whooter]

Whooter, way to flip the script. Agreed, it's one thing to have a different name but another entirely to adopt contradictory personas AND pretend to be a poster that already exists. And to be clear, I think it is bullshit when anyone does that. But come on - you were the biggest talent in this regard. And possibly the only one who did it without your tongue in cheek, which is malevolent.

Ah, you are so easily fooled, Samara.  Many people did this much more than I.  As far as I can remember I posted only "one" post as another poster whe exists here in retaliation of them adopting my name (TheWho) and adding a period after it.  I didnt post endlessly as other posters or other aliases in a long term attempt to deceive people.  I would adopt a name make a post or two (to even the scales) and then stop.  I didnt keep a juggling game alive with several aliases going at once.  Although I did guest post for while there and answer my own posts to keep the rhetoric going.  But I had plenty of company in those threads and flame wars.

There were endless threads by poster(s) trying to convince the readers that I was this guy Reuben and they used various sockpuppets in their attempts, but this doesnt seem to concern you as much?  interesting.  Is this because they take an anti-program stance?

Anyway, I gotta go because I must prepare my altar to you as per Maxi's instructions. Damn, if I only had your picture for my shrine. This way, I won't end up deadinsaneorinjail.  

(Maxi -  you must be cracking your ass off at your suggestion. You know you did it strictly to goad.)

That went over my head.



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[Samara]

No, Whoo, actually, I don't think it is okay for anyone to do that, and all that fooling around took my interest out of here for a loooooong time. I actually did say something to a few, just not on open forum.  And, it's not about anti program. I keep explaining it, but you ain't listening, Lucy! It is because I think you have zero empathy for people who I KNOW bear lifelong scars as a result of their program. But actually, in a thread that you authorized dozens of names came up for you, including names veryclose to existing posters, and some of your aliases were agreeing or disagreeing with you own damn self.

Naive? Guilty. But I don't get it and I don't think this is the place for it. That is my opinion.

The altar carp wasn't really directed at you, but Maxi, who thinks we should kiss your ass. Indubitably, she was insincere. Which is why I said her "Respect the Who" post was designed to goad. And yeah, I took the bait!

[Whooter]

No, Whoo, actually, I don't think it is okay for anyone to do that, and all that fooling around took my interest out of here for a loooooong time. I actually did say something to a few, just not on open forum.  And, it's not about anti program. I keep explaining it, but you ain't listening, Lucy! It is because I think you have zero empathy for people who I KNOW bear lifelong scars as a result of their program. But actually, in a thread that you authorized dozens of names came up for you, including names veryclose to existing posters, and some of your aliases were agreeing or disagreeing with you own damn self.

Sorry, Samara,  I dont recall (except 1) taking on another persons identity who was real or posting here (that I recall).  Can you name the person?  Again, there were many other people trolling besides my self.  You single me out because I happen to be moderate to pro-program.  When I see you getting pissed at anti-program people for the same thing then I will see your argument as sincere.  But so far you are just bitter and blind and only want to see what makes you feel good (not the truth).  I have sat here and read many posts slamming program parents and I know what they go through and you have zero empathy for people you cant relate to.

I have called you on this before, Samara.  You are so transparent and consistent.  Many people are doing the same thing yet you single me out and let the others slide because you agree with their position.  Let me tell you again... many people took on aliases and responded to their own posts.  I started doing this in response to the others.  I didnt invent multiply aliases lol.  You are using me to dump your anger on, Samara.  Open your eyes.

Here is just one example of many posters on fornits, Samara.....Dysfunction Junction swore up and down that he never logged in as anyone other than himself and never guest posted.  When we had his posted tied together we found dozens of aliases that he posted under and 3,500 guest posts.  The John Reuben Threads alone were up to 90% posted by DJ under various aliases.  Talking to himself and posting various disgusting sexual degrading posts and posting as parents, survivors and trying to take over my name.  But this seems to be okay with you.

How many other posters on fornits had multiple log ins do you think?

Naive? Guilty. But I don't get it and I don't think this is the place for it. That is my opinion.

I agree, but I hope you see that your attacks should be spread out and not just focused on me if you are to be considered sincere.

The altar carp wasn't really directed at you, but Maxi, who thinks we should kiss your ass. Indubitably, she was insincere. Which is why I said her "Respect the Who" post was designed to goad. And yeah, I took the bait!

Hmmm.



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[Samara]

In your War of Credibility with DJ, I believe your posts far outnumbered his? It was in OFFA.  And all your IDs listed because you gave Psy permission. And, I have stated my issues against unethical postings by people who share -gasp- some of my views. I have done it privately and publically. But you can't ask me to defend you when you partake. It's like defending a corrupt politician against another corrupt politician.

As far as me being transparent? And Predictable, too? Oh, for the love of God! Terrible!  Jesus, that's pretty much what people do in order to remain credible, but wtf, maybe I'm off track here.

You pretty much know where I stand. I hate people who don't give a shit about trauma imposed on others.

Programs are a whole other ball of wax. I understand how scary it is for parents who actually give a hoot to watch their child spiral.  I have also seen traumatized people suffering PTSD up close and personal and it is heartbreaking. I know what happened to me and my family and how we were manipulated and pitted against each other. It was very scary.

[Whooter]

In your War of Credibility with DJ, I believe your posts far outnumbered his? It was in OFFA.  And all your IDs listed because you gave Psy permission. And, I have stated my issues against unethical postings by people who share -gasp- some of my views. I have done it privately and publically. But you can't ask me to defend you when you partake. It's like defending a corrupt politician against another corrupt politician.

Look, I dont care about credibility, Samara, (I say what I say) I was talking about your obvious bias.  2 people can do the same thing but you turn a blind eye to the one who supports your views.  Psy listed DJ and my posts (not just mine) and actually they were the same, you can ask psy.  The aliases I found for DJ came from just 4 threads (DJ spent weeks going through my entire past).  You only see what you want to, Samara, and it is so obvious its funny.  Its also funny that you dont see it yourself.  Like yourself no one will point this out to you because you support their point of view the same as you would never have this same conversation with DJ lol... see what I mean?
People know you live by the double standard, Samara, but you are safe that you will never be called out on it (accept for maybe myself).

It makes you a shitty person in my opinion and very insincere.

As far as me being transparent? And Predictable, too? Oh, for the love of God! Terrible!  Jesus, that's pretty much what people do in order to remain credible, but wtf, maybe I'm off track here.

You pretty much know where I stand. I hate people who don't give a shit about trauma imposed on others.

Programs are a whole other ball of wax. I understand how scary it is for parents who actually give a hoot to watch their child spiral.  I have also seen traumatized people suffering PTSD up close and personal and it is heartbreaking. I know what happened to me and my family and how we were manipulated and pitted against each other. It was very scary.

I on the other hand have seen kids who were turned around by these places and wonder what would become of them if they didnt have the help of a program.  I have seen what parents go through and read of parents who didnt have the benefit of a program lose their child to drugs and depression, suicide.  Many , like yourself, dont care to see this side of the TTI and pretend it doesnt exist.
I have seen the kids who didnt do well just like yourself.  But I have also seen the kids who did well, big difference.



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[RobertBruce]

Ah, you are so easily fooled, Samara. Many people did this much more than I. As far as I can remember I posted only "one" post as another poster whe exists here in retaliation of them adopting my name (TheWho) and adding a period after it. I didnt post endlessly as other posters or other aliases in a long term attempt to deceive people. I would adopt a name make a post or two (to even the scales) and then stop. I didnt keep a juggling game alive with several aliases going at once. Although I did guest post for while there and answer my own posts to keep the rhetoric going. But I had plenty of company in those threads and flame wars.

Which people John? What was your 'one' alias? I know for a fact that you had at least two set up to impersonate me, in addition to your flooding and spamming the board in an attempt to attribute your own post to me (If you'll recall that was the first time you were banned). You're claiming you only created this alias as a means of retaliation against me for impersonating you with another username. The truth of the matter is though that I've never posted under a different screen name. I had nothing to do with any of the impersonations, because as I've said many times, I don't play the same games you play. The boards are chock full of instances with you admonishing other posters (occasionally yourself) for proving you wrong, or as you claim trolling you, and time and time again accusing them of being me. Most of the times though I wasn't even involved in the conversation. I warned you about your arrogance. You were foolish enough to believe there was only one person on the board who called you on your nonsense, and dared to held you accountable.

More than that though, you aren't addressing Samara's point. She's calling you on the fact that you not only impersonated other posters ( I am by no means the only one, this information is already out there, you might as well be honest about it) but you posted under various guises. You have claimed to be multiple ages, genders, you've claimed to be a staffer, a student, a prospective parent, and an abuse victim.

All of this only further adds creedence to the fact that you are only here to play games and bury pertinant information. Your arrogance once again does you a diservice, in that you believe you have some degree of credibility. Anyone who comes on here sees you exactly for what you are right away. A program stoolie whose intent is nothing more than to waste time and avoid the truth.

[Samara]

Who: You do a great job evading responsibility for your deception.

Oh, boo hoo! A person with no empathy thinks I am a shitty person. Shoot me.

PS. Of course I've got a bias - but you have lied about me. That is a direct experience. I haven't followed all of your crap with DJ. Yours' came at me.  To my knowledge, he has not impersonated you the way you have with RB. I will defend innocent people like Morgan, but I'm not going to jump in and defend you and your ball of confusion, Sweet Cheeks.

[RobertBruce]

parents who didnt have the benefit of a program lose their child to drugs and depression, suicide

You mean parents like yourself? Your own kid died under this program you swear by. How many other kids have to be abused or die before you wake up. Stop drinking the kool aid John. Wake up.

[Samara]

And Whooter, for you to say I didn't do well? I am a good provider, a loving and available mother, a good friend, a good girlfriend. I don't drink enough and I'm not on drugs (I know a lot of you think I'm missing out! ).  Hell, I'm not even under psychiatric care. I work hard in addition to pursuing post graduate  and volunteer work.  But, you're right, I guess, according to you, I didn't do well.

Why is it that? Because I don't have the financial resources to send my kid to a program? Or because I have the moral fortitude not to?