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[spots]

It is interesting to read an unfavorable response from a person admiring WWASPS.  Somehow, in the 5 pages of what I consider to be "WOW...read this stuff!!!!" information, this person has twice made references to the inconsistencies and therefore-proveable inaccuracies in the New York Times article because he mid-identified (or wrongly located) a certain Rose Mary Hinsch, purportedly a school teacher in Phoenix.  Perhaps Ms. Hinsch lives in Seattle or Minneapolis.  Certainly one could juxtapose this error and therefore conclude that the whole witnessed/documented/verified article with quotes from extremely involved parents, government officials, and even WWASPS functionaries is to be discarded.

Joe Normal only needs to remember the behavior modification school in ...somewhere...maybe, Montana or Utah or somewhere...that was just like the ones in Mexico, Costa Rica and Jamaica that he's been reading about this summer.  Joe Normal asks, "By the way, didn't Pete Whats-His-Name down in Accounting talk about sending his kid to one of those places?  Wonder if he knows what's really happening?

[Anonymous]

"But the seminars persuaded Michele Ziperovich to pull her son Alex out. "It was 300 adults screaming and beating on chairs, three days of no sleep, and after that, you'll buy into whatever they say," Ms. Ziperovich said. "They berate you, they scream at you, exhaust you. It's basically mind control."

 :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:


So Ms. Lawyer went to all three days/nights of the seminar, never slept and was yelled at and berated?  I looked on the Resource realizations site and they do have time to sleep, at least 8 hours?  It looks like your run of the mill personal growth seminar to me.  

Yep, sue-happy, I agree.

[Anonymous]

Run of the mill personal growth seminars use sleep deprivation etc... and have been linked with lasting psychological damage.

[Anonymous]

You may be accustomed to "working" from 8:00Am to midnight (and thus getting 8 hours sleep time) but most people will will experience it as fatiguing, particularly under the stress inducing conditions of the seminar.

Moreover,  please consider that the parent seminar -- while obviously intended to be a form of brainwashing -- is also intended to be a milder, water-down form of brainwashing.

Obviously,  if the parent seminars were conducted under the conditions which prevail in the WWASP institutions (eg., if they forced the parents to sleep in a common dorm with the lights on, and twisted their arms behind their back for side talking, or if they weren't in their seats by the time the music stops, they'd be forced to listen to motivational tapes, etc.),  they might get wind of the true nature of what their kids were going thru.  That would defeat the real purpose of the seminar -- which is to subject the parents to a 3 day informercial.

[anon]

[ This Message was edited by: KarenZ on 2003-10-18 13:18 ]

[Antigen]

For the record, they did this at Straight, but not at The Seed. The Seed only required parents attend open meetings and host newcomers in their homes when their kids were oldcomers. When the shit hit the fan in around `76 or so, The Seed went more-or-less underground and did not hang onto their Federal funding.

Straight came up with two open meetings per week w/ open meeting review which could last till 2 or 3AM easy and longer first phase (hence more months spent w/o proper sleep or any free time outside of meeting program obligations) None of us were sleeping more than 2 - 3 hours per night, including our parents.

Then there was the Parent Weekend, which they still do at SAFE, KHK, PFC and likely some others. Same song and dance. And you're right, they tell the parents that this is just what their kids are going through. But there are two major differences; 1) of COURSE they don't throw the parents on the floor and sit on them if they won't comply. and 2) at any given moment, the parents can decide to take their kids and step away from the lunatics. The kids have no such choice, no matter what, broken bones, serious illness, rape... doesn't matter. The parents are held captive mentally and emotionally for as long as they buy into it. The kids are held physically captive till they break down mentally and emotionally.

The mind is not a vessel to be filled but a fire to be kindled.
-- Plutarch

[Anonymous]

On 2003-09-09 06:26:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Run of the mill personal growth seminars use sleep deprivation etc... and have been linked with lasting psychological damage.  "

Just a thought to ponder:  Why did Oprah have a series on almost identical seminars facilitated by Dr. Phil a couple of years ago?  Only a handful of people thought he was being too rough, etc., the majority got a lot out of it?

Call it mass media brainwashing if you want to.  I don't buy the brainwashing in the negative sense.

[Antigen]

If daytime talkshow hosts serve as your moral and social benchmark, you've got some real problems. Are you one of those people who sometimes has difficulty distinguishing between soap opera characters and real, live people?

I highly recomend you switch to late night talkshow hosts like Jon Stewart and Bill Maher. At least they're somewhat intelligent and have some sense of reality.

 :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:

you Momma is a big fat's ________
--Leroy Brown

[Anonymous]

On 2003-09-09 13:09:00, Antigen wrote:

"If daytime talkshow hosts serve as your moral and social benchmark, you've got some real problems. Are you one of those people who sometimes has difficulty distinguishing between soap opera characters and real, live people?

No Antigen - you're assuming.  I had been off work, out of surgery and read books most of the time, but did watch Oprah and enjoyed that series.  It basically mirrored what I've read on the resource realizations site and what program parents say about it.  It was just a question, No...television is not a chosen medium for my moral and social benchmark.  Hey, maybe if I had watched in on Jerry springer you would have valid point!

[Antigen]

Then the fact that Oprah endorses these seminars does not constitute proof of legitimacy, right?

So then.... why bring it up?

BTW, Oprah also did a series of promotional fluff pieces on Buffalo Soldiers. Of course, that was before director Charles Long II was indicted for second degree murder in the death of Anthony Haynes.

No one complained about the brutal treatment of kids as young a 9 at the time, either. As far as I know, Oprah has never issued any kind of apology or retraction of her endorsement of that death camp.

When I started as a federal narcotics agent, the budget that we were working with, it was less than $5 million a year, and there was only 125 agents for the entire world to work the narcotic trade that we were fighting in those days.  Times have changed.  The gluttony has grown.
--Nick Navarro, former Broward, FL Sherrif

[MelissaR]

Oprah honestly endorses TASKS? Did I hear that incorrectly?

[Antigen]

Actually, I was thinking of Buffalo Soldiers

http://clubs.calvin.edu/chimes/2002.02.22/wor4.html

But I don't know the specific program Oprah endorsed. I think it might have been Buffalo Soldiers. After all, Collin Powell has done a few paid endorsement appearances for that one. That's almost as good a credential as Nancy Reagan bringing Princess Di to Straight, isn't it?

I only read about it, never watched the shows. To tell you the truth, Oprah, Maurey and, to some extent, even Phil caused in me the same allergic reaction as DARE, Dr. Phil and other things that have that Program smell. I honestly got nausious trying to watch the stuff looking for clues.

Man! I guess I'm not the only one who feels this way, either.

http://talkshows.about.com/library/weekly/aa051200a.htm

It continues to amaze me to talk to law students -- college
graduates all and smarter than the average bear -- who will
seriously tell me about how dangerous mj is and how it
destroys the lives of those who use it and who, in the
very next sentence, will tell me how they and their
friends -- now CPAs, engineers, med students -- used
pot regularly through high school and college.  And
they don't see the contradiction between these statements.

We're not just talking ignorance here -- we are talking
deep down, serious, religious indoctrination.


--Buford C. Terrell, Professor of Law, South Texas College of Law

_________________
Ginger Warbis ~ Antigen
American drug war P.O.W.
   10/80 - 10/82
Straight South (Sarasota, FL)
Anonymity Anonymous

[Anonymous]

oprah doesnt endorse TASKS, infact oprah is considering revealing the truth of abuse that WWASPS is committing.

Its all coming your way, the media is getting ready for a HUGE strike on wwasps.

They can feel it, and we see it.

 :wave:

[Anonymous]

Anon,

I find it intersting that YOU insinuate the two lawyers and their families mentioned in the NY Times article are "sue happy." How would you know that?

Also interesting, you do not mention Litchfield's lack of ACCOUNTABILITY to the fact four of his facilities have been closed due to allegations of abuse, negligence.Do you not see a Pattern of mistreatment of children within their facilities?

One of the lawyer's child "lost 35 lbs from eating banans and beans.'

 My child told me similar stories.Food was withheld as punishment.

The girls are so "drugged they are like dead animals." My child expereinced that too.

The Doctor wasnt a Dr at all.

Who ever you are Anon from Utah, you're missing the true message. Kids are being ABUSED.

Lichfield and Friends are accountable for the end results of their business.

"Sue-happy."  You have'nt seen anything YET!

[Anonymous]

what is interesting to me is that if the bridge incident is so easy then why have all you parents not heard of it before? I read that you're all asking your kids now. I've been told that they tell kids when blindfolded tht they are getting pushed off a cliff not a short fall to the water. and you would think that the kids would tell their parents because it may have been their only excursion off-site so it would seem to be memorable unless they were told not to.