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« Reply #60 on: September 10, 2003, 11:55:00 AM »
"World Wide Association of speciality schools and programs"  is being sued for allegations of physical and mental torture. Wwasp even hires staff to sexualy abuse the girls also.

There faudulent buisness of wwasp is gonna be impacted like no other buisness in the inustry of teens. These people have no where to go, and they also dont see the future of wwasps.

YOU CANT BEAT KIDS YOUR WHOLE LIFE WWASPS!!!
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« Reply #61 on: September 10, 2003, 01:42:00 PM »
WHAT LAWSUIT?

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« Reply #62 on: September 10, 2003, 03:37:00 PM »
the lawsuit that is being put together so massive that its not gonna be filed without making sure wwasp is responsible.

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« Reply #63 on: September 12, 2003, 01:20:00 PM »
http://www.wwasprebuttal.com/get_the_facts.html

The latest New York Times Article is craftily written to promote lies and deceptions.

 

For example:

 

The New York Times implies that four WWASPS Affiliated Programs have been
shut down due to cruelty. This is simply not true.

 

The New York Times also stated that Spring Creek Lodge sends about 40 % of
it?s revenue to WWASPS. Actually WWASPS only receives less than 3 percent of
SCL revenue to fund Parent Seminars and other needed Services for the
School.

 

The New York Times also stated that Majestic ranch had a Staff charged with abuse yet failed to mention after further review all charges have been dropped.
 

Robert Lichfield stated that Mr. Weiner bold faced misrepresented me. For
example: I never said that ? only Satan stood in the way of the programs
goals?. I have in the past said that I believe God has helped these programs
to become effective options for struggling teens and that any program that
reunites families, gets teens away from negative influences, and encourages
students to seek a higher source will meet strong resistance from the darkest of forces.

 

I also pointed out that all programs that work with struggling Teens have
occasional complaints and students who didn?t like being there. These
Programs are no different but what sets WWASPS Programs apart from other
options is the high number of Pleased and Supportive Parents. It?s like the
media goes out of their way to find the few dissenters while ignoring the
vast supporters.

 

Mr. Weiner also stated that I became a Director of Residential Programs at a
Utah Institution for teenagers that was subsequently closed by the State for
cruelty to children.

This is totally false. I have no idea where he got this idea. The good thing
is I had a witness on the phone to everything that was said
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« Reply #64 on: September 12, 2003, 02:03:00 PM »
Well Well Well. is that mr RObert litchfield speaking?

SO NICE TO HEAR FROM THE PEOPLE THAT ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ABUSIVE CRIMES WWASPS COMIITS EVERY DAY ON OUR AMERICAN CHILDREN.

IF ANYONE WANTS TO SEE THE FACES OF CHILD ABUSERS OF WWASP THEN CLICK HERE..

http://denver.rockymountainnews.com/des ... rate.shtml
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« Reply #65 on: September 12, 2003, 02:12:00 PM »
AND YES, ROBERT LITCHFIELD'S FIRST PROGRAM IN ST/ GEORGE UTAH WAS SHUT DOWN BY POLICE BECAUSE THEY FOUND OUT HE WAS BEATING THE KIDS.

4 WWASPS FACILITY'S WERE SHUT DOWN FOR ABUSE

Teen Help activities touched off investigations by law enforcement or regulatory agencies in several states -- including Utah, South Carolina and Ohio -- and three foreign countries -- Mexico, the Czech Republic and Western Samoa. Facilities in Utah, Mexico and the Czech Republic were closed.
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« Reply #66 on: September 12, 2003, 02:18:00 PM »
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On 2003-09-12 11:03:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Well Well Well. is that mr RObert litchfield speaking?



SO NICE TO HEAR FROM THE PEOPLE THAT ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ABUSIVE CRIMES WWASPS COMIITS EVERY DAY ON OUR AMERICAN CHILDREN.



IF ANYONE WANTS TO SEE THE FACES OF CHILD ABUSERS OF WWASP THEN CLICK HERE..



http://denver.rockymountainnews.com/des ... rate.shtml"


Isn't this article from 1999?
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« Reply #67 on: September 12, 2003, 02:51:00 PM »
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On 2003-09-12 11:12:00, Anonymous wrote:

"AND YES, ROBERT LITCHFIELD'S FIRST PROGRAM IN ST/ GEORGE UTAH WAS SHUT DOWN BY POLICE BECAUSE THEY FOUND OUT HE WAS BEATING THE KIDS.



4 WWASPS FACILITY'S WERE SHUT DOWN FOR ABUSE



Teen Help activities touched off investigations by law enforcement or regulatory agencies in several states -- including Utah, South Carolina and Ohio -- and three foreign countries -- Mexico, the Czech Republic and Western Samoa. Facilities in Utah, Mexico and the Czech Republic were closed.

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Is this an assumption or is it true - Any links to provide this as fact or simply allegation?
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« Reply #68 on: September 12, 2003, 05:17:00 PM »
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« Reply #69 on: September 12, 2003, 06:48:00 PM »
think Mr lichfields first experience working with trouble kids was at Provo Canyon- for his inlaws - with Karr Farnsworth....

most of these programs closed as the regulators were closing in...then it's easy to say...nothing is proven.
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« Reply #70 on: September 12, 2003, 07:10:00 PM »
of course the programs do not send 40% of the revenues to WWASP - because it doesn't come to them in the first place...parents send their monies to it  R&B (Robert and Brent) billing registered to Jennifer Christianson, Korby and Mandy Facer (Brent's kids) with the state of Utah....then they send part to the progams...and then I would guess the amount would be closer to 25-30% of the monies...

R&B must think it doesn't require much cash when you pay locals a dollar or two and hour to serve up their program.  :eek:
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« Reply #71 on: September 12, 2003, 07:42:00 PM »
That's interesting to say the least.  An article from 1999 saying the same things, basically, as the NY Times article.  So people are STILL upset about the same stuff? so with regular inspections, parents on campus every day, the several hundred of graduates since that was written 4 years ago...and there's really only a handful of parent and child "victims?"  It just doesn't wash.  

I read the info on the the Teen Help fees.  Don't ALL educational consulting firms charge a few thousand dollars to refer to the programs they contract with and aren't those programs usually double the tuition of wwasp with the same allegations of abuse from their troubled teens?  I guess I'm looking at it differently than what I read from most on this board.

And, what's the Big Whoop about the seminars?  If someone is opposed to letting go of crap that they been hanging onto for most of their lives...then don't go!  Don't admit your kid to a behavior change program!  It's that simple!

The only "stupid" parents are the ones that think their kid is just going away for a while to cool off and learn their lesson. What the hell do you think programs are for anyway?

So if NOTHING has changed in 4 years, it must work pretty good.  Maybe things have changed and you're still stuck in the year 1999?  :wink:
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« Reply #72 on: September 12, 2003, 07:57:00 PM »
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and there's really only a handful of parent and child "victims?"...


Who are so outraged over the crimes committed against them, who are on good enough terms to work together against the perpetrators, who still have enough money to pursue legal action and who are willing to go through the mountain of bullshit that organizations like WWASP, Scientology and the Semblers routinely heap on their critics.

When I was in these folks' shoes a couple of decades ago, I didn't realize that all these years later these same lunatics would be escalating their abuse and expanding their operations and I really didn't want to take part in anyone's war. I just wanted to get some space, breath, get on my feet and go on with my life.

Had I known that the brainwashed masses were using my silence as a marketting tool to sucker in the next generation, I would certainly have more seriously considered making some noise back then.

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« Reply #73 on: September 12, 2003, 11:03:00 PM »
There used to be a phrase reffering to the lack of outcry - the Silent Majority.
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« Reply #74 on: September 13, 2003, 04:09:00 AM »
The U.S. Congress also has taken interest in the Utah-based WorldWide Association of Specialty Programs (WWASP), the behavior-modification umbrella organization to which Dundee belonged.

House Representative George Miller of California, the ranking Democrat on the House Education Committee, last month asked the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) to review WWASP's tax-exempt status and investigate whether the organization has received any special tax treatment in the past.

One of Rep. Miller's congressional aides said this week that the congressman also is preparing to ask U.S. Attorney General John Ashcroft to open a federal criminal investigation into alleged child mistreatment at WWASP programs  -
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