Author Topic: My son at Aspen Ranch (Read 93835 times)

Anonymous · « **Reply #465 on:** November 11, 2009, 01:11:28 PM »

What boilerplate bullshit.

ITT Aspen troll (what, you think they have just one?) tries to coax Aspen parents against doing the right thing and pulling their kids.

If by some horrible bit of miscegnation you have been allowed to breed, the best I can hope for is that he slams a knife into the side of your neck and pushes outwards, cutting your throat out backwards Al-Qaeda style.

Whooter · « **Reply #466 on:** November 11, 2009, 01:50:57 PM »

Quote from: "Guest"

What boilerplate bullshit.

ITT Aspen troll (what, you think they have just one?) tries to coax Aspen parents against doing the right thing and pulling their kids.

If by some horrible bit of miscegnation you have been allowed to breed, the best I can hope for is that he slams a knife into the side of your neck and pushes outwards, cutting your throat out backwards Al-Qaeda style.

Perfect timing, an ^^ Example of a kid^^ who was able to manipulate his parents and was pulled out too early and now has no goals in life and wanders aimlessly blaming (and letting loose huge amounts of anger towards) his parents and programs for his failed life, on forums like fornits.

Anonymous · « **Reply #467 on:** November 12, 2009, 01:34:41 PM »

No, we don't want to hear it, Nigel. Shut the fuck up.

NIGEL · « **Reply #468 on:** November 12, 2009, 02:44:49 PM »

Quote from: "Guest"

No, we don't want to hear it, Nigel. Shut the fuck up.

Hey "Guest", there is a simple solution to that-----don't read it. If you "don't want to hear it" then please explain why you would continue to read.

I started this topic so that I could get advice. I am still posting on here for the same reasons. I am here for my own selfish needs, not to entertain anyone. I am very thankful for this forum as it has made me aware of what has gone on in the past and what is currently going on at some schools (MBA). Because of advice I have been given and things I have read I have asked questions of the Aspen Ranch and am doing my best to make sure that my son isn't abused in any way.

So "Guest"---here is a warning (just so you know), I will continue to post here as long as I feel it is helping me. I thought I should let you know just in case you "don't want to hear it."

Anonymous · « **Reply #469 on:** November 12, 2009, 03:33:42 PM »

Absolute nonsense. Giving a child to an organization rooted in abuse is not a means of ensuring that they are not abused. Not sending a young person to Aspen would be a much more effective means of making sure that they are not abused. Your statement is devoid of logic.

NIGEL · « **Reply #470 on:** November 12, 2009, 03:50:32 PM »

Quote from: "Guest"

Absolute nonsense. Giving a child to an organization rooted in abuse is not a means of ensuring that they are not abused. Not sending a young person to Aspen would be a much more effective means of making sure that they are not abused. Your statement is devoid of logic.

I agree 100% with your first sentance. There is always a possibility of abuse, and given the fact that there has been abuse in the past in some TBS's run by The Aspen Group, the possibility of abuse exists. I am doing my part at The Aspen Ranch to make sure that doesn't happen. I am visiting as often as possible. I am asking questions of my son and his therapists. I am meeting his teachers and talking to other kids at The Ranch. Does any of this ensure he is not abused, absolutely not, but I think I am doing the best I can to make sure he is in a safe environment getting the help he needs.

As for your second sentence, as I have stated before, I believe that if I hadn't sent my son to The Aspen Ranch, he would either be living on the streets or dead by now. I couldn't stand by and not do anything. My wife and I tried everything we could think of and nothing was reaching him. At least now he is alive and seems to be doing much better. I am hoping and praying that he continues to improve and that he will be home with us in the near future. He is an extremely bright young man with a world of potential and we did what we felt was needed.

Whooter · « **Reply #471 on:** November 12, 2009, 04:02:46 PM »

Quote from: "Guest"

Absolute nonsense. Giving a child to an organization rooted in abuse is not a means of ensuring that they are not abused. Not sending a young person to Aspen would be a much more effective means of making sure that they are not abused. Your statement is devoid of logic.

Hospitals should be avoided also because of the high incidence of death that occurs there. More people die in hospitals than anywhere else. Just pure logic, but people keep sending their loved ones there anyway, go figure.

Anonymous · « **Reply #472 on:** November 12, 2009, 04:12:58 PM »

What you do or don't believe is God damned meaningless.

FYI: Your son can use what you post here against you in a court of law.

NIGEL · « **Reply #473 on:** November 12, 2009, 04:22:45 PM »

Quote from: "Guest"

What you do or don't believe is God damned meaningless.

FYI: Your son can use what you post here against you in a court of law.

I know you are not asking for, nor do you want my pity-----but I really feel sorry for you (I mean this with all sincerity).

Anonymous · « **Reply #474 on:** November 12, 2009, 05:13:52 PM »

Nice try, wannabe-Sophist. Everybody dies, regardless of whether or not they enter a hospital. Avoiding hospitals will not result in avoiding death. Not everybody is abused, but many people are abused in Aspen. One doing everything to ensure that one's child is not abused would logically avoid placing their child in a situation where abuse is known to occur as a result of placement in that situation. Placing a child in a situation where abuse is known to occur as a result of being in that situation increases the likelihood of the child being abused. You're still lazy, and you haven't gotten any smarter.

Whooter · « **Reply #475 on:** November 12, 2009, 05:35:41 PM »

Quote from: "Guest"

Nice try, wannabe-Sophist. Everybody dies, regardless of whether or not they enter a hospital. Avoiding hospitals will not result in avoiding death. Not everybody is abused, but many people are abused in Aspen. One doing everything to ensure that one's child is not abused would logically avoid placing their child in a situation where abuse is known to occur as a result of placement in that situation. Placing a child in a situation where abuse is known to occur as a result of being in that situation increases the likelihood of the child being abused. You're still lazy, and you haven't gotten any smarter.

Name some places where abuse doesnt occur then. Teachers have been known to rape students in public school so that is out... church isnt a safe place... letting the kid hang with the local drug dealer isnt safe either...Hmmmm... So what we do know is that these programs have been highly successful in helping at-risk teens get back on track..... there are alot of kids in these places which raises the risk of abuse so that is a concern....... but doing nothing for a child who is suffering and may end up dead just isnt an option for most parents.... hmmm where do we go?

This laziness thing you have seems to be a big issue with you. Has motivation been a recurring problem for you?

Anonymous · « **Reply #476 on:** November 12, 2009, 06:47:03 PM »

More lazy nonsense. Kids can be abused anywhere. The nature of Aspen programs is such that the likelihood of a young person being abused is increased by attending Aspen as opposed to not attending Aspen. This increase is greater than than the increase in the likelihood of a young person being abused by attending church, or public school as opposed to not attending church or public school. Abuse is a hallmark of Aspen, it is not a hallmark of public school nor of church. No one suggested that parents ensure that their offspring are hanging around the local drug dealer. It's impossible to tell what is meant by your statement regarding getting back on track. We most certainly do not know that these programs have been highly successful in getting teens back on track, since we don't know what "back on track" refers to in this instance. The response to the suffering of a child by parents would be determined based on what it is from which the child is suffering.

Motivation to point out your laziness has not posed any problem for me.

Troll Control · « **Reply #477 on:** November 12, 2009, 07:06:20 PM »

It wouldn't surprise me in the least if Aspen had a guy like this lurking around the facilites.

You know what the CEDU supporters were saying all along during this time? "CEDU is completely safe! These allegations are nonsense!" But, alas, there was a serial child rapist and murderer working there with those kids every day. Some were never found after "disappearing" from CEDU. The guy is currently on death row.

When I hear Aspen's talking heads make public statements, I hear the same things as before. Boy, were they wrong. I would never allow my kid to go to any one of these places simply for the fact that they employ people like this. Minimum wagers with no background checks abound at Aspen. BEWARE, Nigel, this goes on at this type of facility. The secrecy and lack of oversight are a magnet for child rapists. Aspen has been known to have had more than its share in their employ before and I bet now, too.

Whooter · « **Reply #478 on:** November 12, 2009, 07:22:38 PM »

The guy you mentioned is in Jail so he wont be bothering anyone, and CEDU is closed. So there are no more worries.

Whooter · « **Reply #479 on:** November 12, 2009, 08:01:46 PM »

Now I am worried, Jeffery Dahmer worked in a chocolate factory. My sister is working in a chocolate factory in Hershey Pennsylvania. Do you think she is safe there? Or should I try to get her out? Do all chocolate factories have people like this working there?

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