My son at Aspen Ranch

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It wouldn't surprise me in the least if Aspen had a guy like this lurking around the facilites.

You know what the CEDU supporters were saying all along during this time?  "CEDU is completely safe!  These allegations are nonsense!"  But, alas, there was a serial child rapist and murderer working there with those kids every day.  Some were never found after "disappearing" from CEDU.  The guy is currently on death row.

When I hear Aspen's talking heads make public statements, I hear the same things as before.  Boy, were they wrong.  I would never allow my kid to go to any one of these places simply for the fact that they employ people like this.  Minimum wagers with no background checks abound at Aspen.  BEWARE, Nigel, this goes on at this type of facility.  The secrecy and lack of oversight are a magnet for child rapists.  Aspen has been known to have had more than its share in their employ before and I bet now, too.

Great post.  Aspen likes to sweep abuse under the rug.  They have kids raped, beaten, sexually humiliated, you name it.  Aspen does it all.  They are a full service abuse shop for children.  They have had many criminals working in their facilities because they don't do background checks.  Anybody's kid could be being supervised by a sodomizer at Aspen.  You just have no way to tell.

[Whooter]

Now I am worried, Jeffery Dahmer worked in a chocolate factory.  My sister is working in a chocolate factory in Hershey Pennsylvania.  Do you think she is safe there?  Or should I try to get her out?  Do all chocolate factories have people like this working there?

If it were my sister I would pull her out right away, I wouldnt take any chances.  You never know who is working at those chocolate factories, especially at night with little oversight.  Jefferey Dahmer went undetected for decades.  She could earn money any place, why did your parents get her a job at a chocolate factory knowing the history?  Why not get her a job locally where she can be with family?

[Whooter]

I agree, pull her out of there today.  I looked on the internet and there have been 2 recent deaths in chocolate factories.  The owners are calling them both accidents, ppssh.  But we all know better dont we.  If it is determined that their deaths were not accidental these places will be heavily levied with government oversight so there is a strong motivation to have the local police label these as accidents otherwise there will be massive layoffs and probably reduce the police force as a result.
Also this company, Cocoa Services inc. hired some of the same management team from the chocolate factory that Jefferey Dahmer worked at, so we know abuse and death will follow them.  I don’t know how they ever got a license.

Its all just one big cover-up.  I think  Vincents mother should sue them.




•An employee at a New Jersey chocolate processing plant died Wednesday after falling into a vat of hot chocolate, according to a spokesman for the Camden County Prosecutor's office.
Vincent Smith II, 29, was dumping raw chocolate into the vat for melting when he fell in from a nine-foot high platform. He suffered a fatal blow to the head from the vat's agitator, a paddle-like mechanism used for stirring the chocolate.
According to the Camden County prosecutor's office, three other people were on the platform at the time. One was able to shut the machinery off quickly, but it was too late to save Smith.
The facility, owned by Cocoa Services Inc., is managed and operated by by Lyons and Sons.
The rectangular vat, which was 8 feet deep, 14 feet long and 6 feet wide, was churning a batch of chocolate for Hershey's when the accident occurred, the prosecutor's office said.

Another one:
Authorities say the death of a worker at the South Bend Chocolate Company factory appears to have been an accident.

[Anonymous]

Aspen's inherent flaws are the cause of the abuses that occur there.  There is nothing indicated in any of the above claptrap to indicate that there is something in the nature of chocolate factories that make them dangerous.  Only a lazy, stupid, or lazy and stupid person would make the above comparison in an effort to make the criticisms of Aspen appear misguided.

[Whooter]

I would never work in a chocolate factory after reading that.  Gives me the Willies.  I dont believe in coinsidences.

[Anonymous]

I am asking questions of my son and his therapists.  I am meeting his teachers and talking to other kids at The Ranch.

This entity is most assuredly TheWho’s alternative cyber personality or Aspen shill #2.

Whatever it is, I’d like to address its claim that Aspen Ranch prisoners see “therapists.”

After its investigation into Mount Bachelor Academy, the Oregon Department of Human Services concluded…

 No staff members were qualified to treat drug or alcohol abuse, eating disorders or other mental health issues..”

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/O/ ... TE=DEFAULT


MBA was Aspen Education Group’s flagship torture chamber and presented the most clinical facade of all its “programs.”

Parents who paid it to imprison their offspring in the name of helping their mental health issues certainly believed it employed people qualified to treat mental health issues. AEG certainly stated they did.

Aspen Education Group officials lied to the MBA parents about its staff qualifications, before that they lied about staff qualifications at CEDU. They can just as easily lie about Aspen Ranch’s qualifications, and if they stick to their pattern of criminal, cultic behavior, they will. And if history is any indication, parents of prisoners would be fooled again.

Consciousness readers would be advised to not put faith in the assertions in NIGEL’S suspicious, anonymous internet posts, or in Aspen Education Group about the quality, or accreditation of its staff.  

AEG’s founders and primary staff are members of the CEDU cult. They continue the CEDU protocol of abduction, imprisonment, brainwash, torture and fraud that so profited Mel Wasserman, and before him Charles E. Dederich.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synanon
http://www.heal-online.org/cedu.htm
http://liamscheff.com/daily/cedu-documentary/

[psy]

Nigel.  DId you talk about the parent seminar you went to yet or did I miss that?

[Whooter]

I am asking questions of my son and his therapists.  I am meeting his teachers and talking to other kids at The Ranch.

This entity is most assuredly TheWho’s alternative cyber personality or Aspen shill #2.

Whatever it is, I’d like to address its claim that Aspen Ranch prisoners see “therapists.”

After its investigation into Mount Bachelor Academy, the Oregon Department of Human Services concluded…

If you truly believed in what you say, guest, you would stand against Nigels argument with words and would not try to merely discredit him, call him thewho or sockpuppett in order to try to get people to believe you or get your point across.  If you notice, Nigel doesn’t try to discredit everyone who disagrees with him because he knows what he speaks of is true.  He doesn’t need to put others down in order to convince himself of his own words like you have.

[NIGEL]

Nigel.  DId you talk about the parent seminar you went to yet or did I miss that?

Yes, I already posted on the workshops----but it was my wife who attended, not me.  I reported on everything she told me.  Briefly: she liked the workshops, enjoyed meeting my son's therapist, and also enjoyed the time away from campus she got to spend with my son.  Her main concern (and mine) right now is: when do we bring him home.

On a side note, my son has elected to go on a weekend "snow camping" retreat this weekend (he leaves today and gets back on Sunday morning).  I have a scheduled phone call with him on Sunday afternoon, so I will let you know how that goes.

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Ha, Ha, Ha.  Now TheWho claims to know NIGEL's psychology, thought processes and judgment?  ONLY a sock-puppeteer would know any of that, Whooter.  Your game is so lame it's not even funny.  It is funny though to watch you try to convince people that you are just an outside observer to NIGEL's situation.  Nobody believes it, buddy.  EPIC FAIL.

[psy]

Ha, Ha, Ha.  Now TheWho claims to know NIGEL's psychology, thought processes and judgment?  ONLY a sock-puppeteer would know any of that, Whooter.

Or he doesn't and he's talking out his ass.  Look.  Nigel is not Whooter.  Give it a rest.  Sometimes parents do actually come on here.

[NIGEL]

Just got done talking to my son and his therapist.  My son took a two day "quest".  They hiked all day Saturday and Sunday, camping out on Saturday night.  The Saturday hike was in the snow and they camped out that night.  My son said it was hard, but that he had a lot of time to think and that he was happy he went (he went by his choice).  
The phone call went well.  We talked about things he learned on his "quest" and what he is trying to accomplish.  He is trying to reach the next level (greenhorn), and he talked about what he needed to do to reach this level.  I will say that the more I talk to my son's therapist, the more I am impressed by her (my son seems to really listen to her advice and he respects her).
I am heading out over Thanksgiving to visit him and we are both looking forward to the visit.  
I am in the process of talking to a lot of different people trying to figure out when the best time to bring my son home is.  I will let you know what I am thinking and ask for advice as we go forward.

[Anonymous]

Here's some advice, fuckhead.  Don't put your kid in a Synanon-inspired penal program.  Oh, too late.

[Anonymous]

We talked a family out of placing a child in Aspen Ranch recently.  After the parents learned what is real and what is sales pitch, they were horrified and are helping us.  Always good to have another enlightened attorney amongst the righteous.

The mom said "Their website (Aspen Ranch) makes it look like they have it together.  How can they get away with this?"  Good question.

By the way Aspenites, that makes two families we've talked out of Aspen programs.  Don't you hate me?  Assholes.

[Anonymous]

Wow. A whole two families? At this rate you might put them out of business.............................in 5,000 years!

 :rofl:

Don't forget righteous warrior,
“A proud man is always looking down on things and people; and, of course, as long as you're looking down, you can't see something that's above you.” CS Lewis

That thing above you,
it's the thousands of successful programs operating at this very moment.