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Re: My son at Aspen Ranch
« Reply #495 on: November 18, 2009, 12:56:11 PM »
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Just got done talking to my son and his therapist.  My son took a two day "quest".  They hiked all day Saturday and Sunday, camping out on Saturday night.  The Saturday hike was in the snow and they camped out that night.  My son said it was hard, but that he had a lot of time to think and that he was happy he went (he went by his choice).  
The phone call went well.  We talked about things he learned on his "quest" and what he is trying to accomplish.  He is trying to reach the next level (greenhorn), and he talked about what he needed to do to reach this level.  I will say that the more I talk to my son's therapist, the more I am impressed by her (my son seems to really listen to her advice and he respects her).
I am heading out over Thanksgiving to visit him and we are both looking forward to the visit.  
I am in the process of talking to a lot of different people trying to figure out when the best time to bring my son home is.  I will let you know what I am thinking and ask for advice as we go forward.
Thanks for the update Nigel.  I am glad your son is connecting well with the therapist.  This can make all the difference in the world as far as success or failure in the program.
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Re: My son at Aspen Ranch
« Reply #496 on: November 18, 2009, 12:56:53 PM »
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Wow. A whole two families? At this rate you might put them out of business.............................in 5,000 years!

 :rofl:

Don't forget righteous warrior,
“A proud man is always looking down on things and people; and, of course, as long as you're looking down, you can't see something that's above you.” CS Lewis

That thing above you,
it's the thousands of successful programs operating at this very moment.


Uh-huh.  AEG can't afford to lose any placements these days.  Check out their disclosures.

That was two families talked out of AEG, we've stopped more.  The technique of reaching families before they make a regrettable placement needs to be shared so we can expedite shutting these holes down - we can't wait 5k years with AEG killing kids at the rate they currently are.

Contact local therapists/social workers and tell them about your experience with programs.  Ask to speak with families who are considering placements to give them the info the program websites wouldn't dare to.  These people don't make money of of placements and are often stunned by what they learn about the places they put blind faith in.   If you can get between some pig of a programee/edcon and the desperate parent, you can prevent tragedies.  It does work, kids.

Thousands of successful programs?  You say that with pride.  What does that say about our society?

So many of you idiot bastards, so little intelligence.
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Re: My son at Aspen Ranch
« Reply #497 on: November 18, 2009, 01:31:36 PM »
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Wow. A whole two families? At this rate you might put them out of business.............................in 5,000 years!

 :rofl:

Don't forget righteous warrior,
“A proud man is always looking down on things and people; and, of course, as long as you're looking down, you can't see something that's above you.” CS Lewis

That thing above you,
it's the thousands of successful programs operating at this very moment.


Uh-huh.  AEG can't afford to lose any placements these days.  Check out their disclosures.

That was two families talked out of AEG, we've stopped more.  The technique of reaching families before they make a regrettable placement needs to be shared so we can expedite shutting these holes down - we can't wait 5k years with AEG killing kids at the rate they currently are.

Contact local therapists/social workers and tell them about your experience with programs.  Ask to speak with families who are considering placements to give them the info the program websites wouldn't dare to.  These people don't make money of of placements and are often stunned by what they learn about the places they put blind faith in.   If you can get between some pig of a programee/edcon and the desperate parent, you can prevent tragedies.  It does work, kids.

Thousands of successful programs?  You say that with pride.  What does that say about our society?

So many of you idiot bastards, so little intelligence.
Actually you have created a nice screening process for Aspen.  If you are able to talk the parents out of it then they were never fully committed to helping their kids to begin with and those are the types of parents Aspen doesn’t want.  Those types typically pull their kids out early and disrupt the program for the other kids.

Families are prescreened before acceptance and you are just providing this piece for free.
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Re: My son at Aspen Ranch
« Reply #498 on: November 18, 2009, 01:56:12 PM »
A good place to start is looking through magazines that cater to the middle and upper classes...look in the classifieds in the back and you will find ads for these places.  Sunset magazine is a big carrier of ads (they advertised CEDU for years).  
the ads are usually "specialty schools"  I think other mags that cater to the rich also carry those ads.  You might want to send the mags documents showing how abusive these places are.  I wonder, when the lawsuits go down if these magazines can be named as well.  I know times are hard and they want all the ad money they can get but they may rethink things if enough people educate them.
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The technique of reaching families before they make a regrettable placement needs to be shared so we can expedite shutting these holes down - we can't wait 5k years with AEG killing kids at the rate they currently are

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Re: My son at Aspen Ranch
« Reply #499 on: November 18, 2009, 02:04:49 PM »
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Actually you have created a nice screening process for Aspen.  If you are able to talk the parents out of it then they were never fully committed to helping their kids to begin with and those are the types of parents Aspen doesn’t want.  Those types typically pull their kids out early and disrupt the program for the other kids.

Families are prescreened before acceptance and you are just providing this piece for free.
It sounds like you are gloating, but I have no idea why.   I would not have posted the info about local mental health professionals if it didn't help prevent tragic placements.  If we had spoken with Sergey Blashchishen's family he might still be alive and not a victim of your beloved system of programs.

As far as the prescreening goes:  that went out the window with AEG three years ago, don't lie.  You know full well when the decision was made to take anyone who can pay the tuition.  Seriously.  I cannot imagine telling the shareholders CRC is tanking and they are turning away "undesirables".  

Still.  This has made your black blood boil for some reason, seething and spitting out half-baked defenses and blustery bullshit.  

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Don't forget righteous warrior,
“A proud man is always looking down on things and people; and, of course, as long as you're looking down, you can't see something that's above you.” CS Lewis

That thing above you,
it's the thousands of successful programs operating at this very moment.

Wow.  Kind of like the starry firmament, huh?  Why is there a big blackhole where Mt. Bachelor used to be?
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Re: My son at Aspen Ranch
« Reply #500 on: November 18, 2009, 02:11:59 PM »
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It sounds like you are gloating, but I have no idea why.   I would not have posted the info about local mental health professionals if it didn't help prevent tragic placements.  If we had spoken with Sergey Blashchishen's family he might still be alive and not a victim of your beloved system of programs.

As far as the prescreening goes:  that went out the window with AEG three years ago, don't lie.  You know full well when the decision was made to take anyone who can pay the tuition.  Seriously.  I cannot imagine telling the shareholders CRC is tanking and they are turning away "undesirables".

Not gloating at all, I understand it is tough to read into these posts sometimes, the disruption to the program is worse than not having a student start at all.  The parents pull the child and then they want their money back... there are sometimes lawsuits.. its not good, very expensive.  The prescreening saves the programs from this expense and the programs are able to adjust their staff to meet the number of beds that are filled so profits are not disrupted too much.
I am not trying to disuade you from talking parents out sending thier kids.  Aspen only wants families and parents who can be committed to the entire process.  It is critical in this economy.

keep up the work.
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Re: My son at Aspen Ranch
« Reply #501 on: November 18, 2009, 02:25:50 PM »
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Not gloating at all, I understand it is tough to read into these posts sometimes, the disruption to the program is worse than not having a student start at all.  The parents pull the child and then they want their money back... there are sometimes lawsuits.. its not good, very expensive.  The prescreening saves the programs from this expense and the programs are able to adjust their staff to meet the number of beds that are filled so profits are not disrupted too much.
I am not trying to disuade you from talking parents out sending thier kids.  Aspen only wants families and parents who can be committed to the entire process.  It is critical in this economy.

keep up the work.


There is no pre screening process, anyone who can pick up a phone and pretend to inquire about an Aspen program can get right up to signing the dotted line in the phone call.

Thanks for your support though.  Glad you won't be working against us.
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Re: My son at Aspen Ranch
« Reply #502 on: November 18, 2009, 03:19:06 PM »
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Not gloating at all, I understand it is tough to read into these posts sometimes, the disruption to the program is worse than not having a student start at all.  The parents pull the child and then they want their money back... there are sometimes lawsuits.. its not good, very expensive.  The prescreening saves the programs from this expense and the programs are able to adjust their staff to meet the number of beds that are filled so profits are not disrupted too much.
I am not trying to disuade you from talking parents out sending thier kids.  Aspen only wants families and parents who can be committed to the entire process.  It is critical in this economy.

keep up the work.


There is no pre screening process, anyone who can pick up a phone and pretend to inquire about an Aspen program can get right up to signing the dotted line in the phone call.

Thanks for your support though.  Glad you won't be working against us.

You can certainly try that method but you would never get your son/daughter accepted.  Each program may not be suitable for every child and there is a process that you need to go thru to get in.  I know you mentioned that you talked a few parents out of sending their child.  Try talking to a few who had their child attend a program and they will fill you in on the acceptance process.

Dont take it the wrong way there are both sides to every issue and the main thing is that you are committed to what you are doing.  If you can stop a few kids from going to a program then you feel good about yourself like I could see from your post and when a person who refers kids to programs gets a phone call that the child is doing well, going to college and moving down the right path then they feel good about what they do too and each success reinforces what each of you do.

To each other you may feel we are working against each other but we are both raising awareness and getting the kids the help they need.  We just don’t agree on the path that they should take.  If you can talk a parent out of sending their child then the child probably wasnt meant to go in the first place and hopefully will get the help he/she needs elsewhere.  Most of it is upside.
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Re: My son at Aspen Ranch
« Reply #503 on: November 26, 2009, 07:15:15 PM »
Dear Referring Professional Community,

We understand that there has been a flood of opinions and assumptions about Mount Bachelor Academy made in various forums lately, and we would like to clear up some of these rumors as well as update you on the status of our legal efforts.

First, we would like to reiterate that our initial focus has been and will continue to be on our students and families. The action by the Oregon DHS defies explanation, as we believe it was both entirely undeserved and unnecessarily urgent, thereby creating an enormous burden of distress and disruption to our students and families. After each student was carefully transitioned to alternative care or home, we began working to resolve academic issues. Upon notice of our suspension, we had nine students who were to graduate in December. At our attorney's insistence, the state agreed to modify the emergency license suspension so that MBA will be able to allow all students who had planned to graduate by the end of this year to complete their course work and receive diplomas on schedule.

Second, many of you have questioned why we have not mounted a more aggressive defense in the press, which has up to this point, produced numerous inaccurate and misleading reports. Given the complexity of the issues and the difficulty of discussing therapeutic approaches with public audiences amidst sensational headlines, we as a company decided not to pursue an extended defense in the press. Instead, we are focusing our efforts on the best legal options to defend the reputation of Mount Bachelor Academy and its outstanding, caring staff. Let me reassure you that we stand 100% behind the exceptional work accomplished at Mount Bachelor Academy and the talented professionals who worked tirelessly to help our students exceed even their own expectations. We did provide statements detailing our commitment to the school and its staff, yet the media often chose to ignore or incorporate mere portions of these statements.

It is with great regret that I share the reality that Mount Bachelor Academy will not reopen any time soon. Given the abrupt order to suspend operations and remove students within 48 hours, DHS effectively shut the school down. Rather than allowing us to make further adjustments to the program to address their concerns, as we had been doing for seven months, they determined that an emergency evacuation was needed.

Unfortunately and inexplicably, we have yet to be provided a copy of the full, unredacted report detailing the DHS allegations and findings. Although this full report will be central to our appeal of the allegations, we have already begun to "put the wheels in motion," so to speak.

Our attorneys are active on several fronts simultaneously. Before most of the students had left the campus, our attorneys had already appealed the emergency licensure suspension and the order requiring us to make further changes to the curriculum. The attorneys are pressing hard to get the complete and unredacted copy of the investigation report. They also are preparing to appeal the findings of the Office of Investigations and Training which substantiated the allegations of child abuse and neglect. We intend to challenge those findings vigorously, both on behalf of MBA and on behalf of its Executive Director personally.

Finally, our attorneys are exploring the possibility that the state may be financially liable to parents for the impact of the cruel and unnecessary manner in which the school's license was suspended. We have received reports by numerous parents of their intent to pursue their own legal action against the state for the unnecessary impact on their child and family.

We appreciate the outpouring of support we have received and continue to receive on behalf of the school and its employees. We hope that this communication helps to clarify the situation for you. We will do our best to continue to update you as more information becomes available and to the extent possible as we proceed with legal action.

Sincerely,

Phil Herschman
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Re: My son at Aspen Ranch
« Reply #504 on: November 28, 2009, 10:40:21 AM »
Just got back from visiting my son over Thanksgiving at The Aspen Ranch.  We had Thanksgiving dinner at The Ranch.  The food was actually pretty good.  On Friday, I took him out for lunch and then a drive into Capitol Reef National Park.  All in all, a good trip.  My son really wants to come home and thinks he is ready.  I asked him what he thought he needed to do to come home and he replied that he needed to work hard at everything (academics and therapy) and stay out of trouble.  He knows that it is up to him and he said that he is going to show me he can do it.  The hardest part about the whole trip (for both of us) was leaving, but right now he appears to be making a lot of progress.  I go out again over Christmas (hopefully for a ski trip---if he makes the next level).
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Re: My son at Aspen Ranch
« Reply #505 on: November 28, 2009, 11:23:08 AM »
Quote from: "NIGEL"
Just got back from visiting my son over Thanksgiving at The Aspen Ranch.  We had Thanksgiving dinner at The Ranch.  The food was actually pretty good.  On Friday, I took him out for lunch and then a drive into Capitol Reef National Park.  All in all, a good trip.  My son really wants to come home and thinks he is ready.  I asked him what he thought he needed to do to come home and he replied that he needed to work hard at everything (academics and therapy) and stay out of trouble.  He knows that it is up to him and he said that he is going to show me he can do it.  The hardest part about the whole trip (for both of us) was leaving, but right now he appears to be making a lot of progress.  I go out again over Christmas (hopefully for a ski trip---if he makes the next level).

Great news Nigel, it seems your son is making good progress.  The ski trip will be a good incentive to work through to the next level.  I believe if you talked to most of the kids there you would get the same response that they are ready to come home.  But what they dont realize themselves is they are getting a tremendous amount of support within the safety of the program and this could fall apart very quickly when they come out and all of a sudden they dont have this support system around them 24/7.  It takes time to grow enough strength and instil the behavior changes to the point where they can take care of themselves in the outside world without losing all that they have gained.  It took years to slowly develop unhealthy habits so it will take time to reverse them to the point where they seek out a healthy life style on their own.
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Re: My son at Aspen Ranch
« Reply #506 on: November 28, 2009, 11:26:33 AM »
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I go out again over Christmas (hopefully for a ski trip---if he makes the next level).
I get the image of a circus animal in my mind, jumping through hoops for a reward. :eek:


What you are witnessing is behavior modification.  I am not sure if you have children or not, Eliscu2, but if you do you would recognize the reward system or “Token Economy” (as most parents know of it).  It is very damaging to threaten children to attain any goal, i.e. “toilet training at gun point”.  Nigels son needs to be prepared for the outside world where people work and then get rewarded with a paycheck at the end of the week.  The same with school you get an “A” if you work hard and do well (You dont get an “A” on the first day of school it is saved as a reward).  And yes, the reality is that you need to jump through hoops to get the brass ring in life and you need to conform to certain standards set up by our current society if you want to live a happy life.  This is what Nigel wants for his son.  It is what we all want for our children.

I am not saying you need to earn a lot of money to be happy but most people need to have a sense of belonging to society (or a social group) in order to feel fulfilled and be happy.  This is difficult to attain this if you are being self destructive and alienating those who care for you.
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Re: My son at Aspen Ranch
« Reply #507 on: November 28, 2009, 11:49:04 AM »
The problem with level systems, or point systems, is that they are artificial devices that don't translate well to the real world.

But the real problem with level systems is that they're often used to deny youth healthy therapeutic coping mechanisms.  Needing to reach a certain level before you can play your instrument, or make phone calls home to parents, or making visits home dependent on the behavior in the program.  Control does not equate to therapy.

A program that has every incentive to make it last for 18 months (private funding) is going to be very different than a program that has an incentive to make it last three-six months (public funding).  Those programs that are being forced to cut lengths of stay are finding that when they operate differently, their outcomes are better than when they made kids stay longer.
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Re: My son at Aspen Ranch
« Reply #508 on: November 28, 2009, 12:16:29 PM »
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The problem with level systems, or point systems, is that they are artificial devices that don't translate well to the real world.
Kids, even more so than adults, need a way to measure their progress towards a specific agreed upon goal and a level system is a great system that meets these needs and has a lot of flexibility to be adapted for each student.

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But the real problem with level systems is that they're often used to deny youth healthy therapeutic coping mechanisms. Needing to reach a certain level before you can play your instrument, or make phone calls home to parents, or making visits home dependent on the behavior in the program. Control does not equate to therapy.
Well, I sort of see your point that they can be misused.  But if the child sees that he can get to point “B” by a certain behaviour and get rewarded by being able to have more access to his/her instrument... larger dessert..longer call home..... more free time etc. then this is positive use of the level system.  The whole idea is to put the control back into the hands of the child, not take it away.

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A program that has every incentive to make it last for 18 months (private funding) is going to be very different than a program that has an incentive to make it last three-six months (public funding). Those programs that are being forced to cut lengths of stay are finding that when they operate differently, their outcomes are better than when they made kids stay longer.
Not sure I agree here either.  Hazelden has found great success in their 6 to 12 month programs.  The 30 day programs which is the upper limit of most health plan coverage is just not very effective.  The longer a person can stay in treatment the better.  Now with (kids) programs there is an incentive to try to reunite the family as quickly as possible because of the age of the child and the need for family unity.  So if success can be attained in less than 18 months then the child should be send home. But the conflict comes with the business aspect and the pressure to keep the child beyond the time needed so as to collect more money from the parents, so this conflict needs to be highlighted and resolved somehow.  So I agree with you there that it is a problem.
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Re: My son at Aspen Ranch
« Reply #509 on: November 28, 2009, 04:17:45 PM »
::puke::

This thread is some sick fucking shit.

Good God I'm glad Nigel isn't real.
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