Heritage RTC

[Anonymous]

Aren't parents required to enforce the "Exit Plan?"  Aren't the therapist and program out-of-the-loop once the "Exit Plan" goes into effect?

[Anne Bonney]

So, to make a long story short, no, I am not a part of a 12 step program. But, if that's what helps someone with their problems, why should I dismiss it as just being another "fucked up cult"?

If you don't agree with their ways, that's fine. But, for some people it truly helps them. Why wouldn't you want people to get better, get healthy, and start making good decisions?

How do you know it helps them?  What evidence to you have?  The only study that AA allowed to be done proved that it actually raised the death rate and did squat to help anyone.   This study, btw, was done by one of the BOD members of AA.  So, by AA's own admission their cult does not do any better than spontaneous remission (doing nothing) and is actually more dangerous than doing nothing.

http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-eff ... l#Vaillant

   When I joined the staff at Cambridge Hospital, I learned about the disease of alcoholism for the first time. My prior training had been at a famous teaching hospital that from past despair had posted an unwritten sign over the door that read "alcoholic patients need not apply."   ...   At Cambridge Hospital I learned for the first time how to diagnose alcoholism as an illness and to think of abstinence in terms of "one day at a time."   ...   To me, alcoholism became a fascinating disease. It seemed perfectly clear that by meeting the immediate individual needs of the alcoholic, by using multimodality therapy, by disregarding "motivation," by turning to recovering alcoholics [A.A. members] rather than to Ph.D.'s for lessons in breaking self-detrimental and more or less involuntary habits, and by inexorably moving patients from dependence upon the general hospital into the treatment system of A.A., I was working for the most exciting alcohol program in the world.

    But then came the rub. Fueled by our enthusiasm, I and the director, William Clark, tried to prove our efficacy. Our clinic followed up our first 100 detoxification patients, the Clinic sample described in Chapter 3, every year for the next 8 years.   ...

    Table 8.1 shows our treatment results. After initial discharge, only five patients in the Clinic sample never relapsed to alcoholic drinking, and there is compelling evidence that the results of our treatment were no better than the natural history of the disease. In table 8.1, the outcomes for the Clinic sample patients are contrasted with two-year follow-ups of four treatment programs that analyzed their data in a comparable way and admitted patients similar to ours. The Clinic sample results are also contrasted with three studies of equal duration that purported to offer no formal treatment. Although the treatment populations differ, the studies are roughly comparable; in hopes of averaging out major sampling differences, the studies are pooled. Costello (1975), Emrick (1975), and Hill and Blane (1967) have reviewed many more disparate two-year outcome studies and have noted roughly similar proportions of significantly improved and unimproved alcoholics. Not only had we failed to alter the natural history of alcoholism, but our death rate of three percent a year was appalling.

No one is bashing anything.  We're presenting facts.  Asking questions.  Yes, we have our opinions already, but we're still presenting facts to back them up.  We're putting the truth up.  Coercive programs don't work and very often do more damage because you're fucking around with someone's psyche, their core....against their will.  That's never a good idea, especially with developing teenagers who may or may not have emotional problems to begin with.  You close them off in an isolated, insulated, extremely controlled environment and it doesn't take long to 'wash' them.  Its sick, it scary and its happening with the consent of parents and well intentioned people, thinking they're 'helping'.  Well, in some cases they're 'helping' us to death.

[Anne Bonney]

Nobody is pushing anything on anyone at this school.

I can't believe you can say that with a straight face.  Unbelievable.  Its an isolated Mormon environment where it appears, from what's been posted here, that you 'progress' faster if you embrace religion.  And that doesn't even speak to just being bombarded with it and having no other outside influence.   Its difficult to be in that for so long and not feel the desire to conform.  Its human nature to want to connect with others and in that scenario, where the only people TO connect with are those who are heavily into the religion, its almost unavoidable.   But then, that's the idea IMO.

[CCM girl 1989]

Nobody is pushing anything on anyone at this school.

I can't believe you can say that with a straight face.  Unbelievable.  Its an isolated Mormon environment where it appears, from what's been posted here, that you 'progress' faster if you embrace religion.  And that doesn't even speak to just being bombarded with it and having no other outside influence.   Its difficult to be in that for so long and not feel the desire to conform.  Its human nature to want to connect with others and in that scenario, where the only people TO connect with are those who are heavily into the religion, its almost unavoidable.   But then, that's the idea IMO.

An isolated Mormon environment? What the hell are you talking about? I thought it was a bunch of Islamics who inhabited Utah?!!! Come on, get serious any person with a brain knows that most of the state of Utah is, guess what? MORMON! Fabulous, thanks for the ginko.

Nobody was ever, I mean ever, pressured into becoming Mormon while attending Heritage. It's not like you got baptized, and all of a sudden started jumping levels, and were sent home?!!

I said a small percentage of people even attended church (it was not mandatory)!!!! But, you keep wanting to spin it your way! Sorry, not going to let that happen. During my 3 1/2 year stay there, there was no more then 5 girls who were baptized Mormon. I want to say 3. I can name 2 Melanie, and Evie. I won't give you the last names. I am thinking there was one other who I can't remember her name? The other 2, I am just rounding it off to 5 to be fair, and give you the benefit of the doubt.

But the truth is, we all knew when someone was baptized. We all thought "kiss ass" when that happened. But being older, and I wish to God I knew if these 2 girls were sincere or not. I wish I was in contact with them, but I am not!

Keep in mind this was a program that was focused on theraputic treatment. Not religious studies. Helping families heal, and helping the child with their problems. Giving them the best treatment available. This program was located in Utah which means most of the staff was Mormon. So freakin what? The did not push it on us.

That's it for tonight. Anyone who reads this, any parent out there considering treatment for their child, look Heritage up, and judge for yourself.

[Nihilanthic]

Ok, what kind of therapy?

Did they isolate them from the outside world and their own family?

DID THEY KEEP CHILDREN THERE WHO HAD NO PROBLEMS?