Heritage RTC

[Deborah]

In another thread Mamala asked:

Anyone have any experience or info on this place? Is making a kid sit and write all day with out being able to lay down or have a pillow abusive?

Of course it is. But, it depends on who you ask. Some very strong Mormon ties.

[Jerry] Spanos/Heritage donated to Romney's campaign
http://fundrace.huffingtonpost.com/neig ... rch=Search

Brother Glen Overton co-founder of HS
http://www.byu.edu/hr/employees/opac/luncheons-2005
http://www.byu.edu/hr/files/Glen_Overton.pdf

Elder Overton audio on "Perfecting the Prodigal"
Wanna get into the head of a Mormon program owner?
Gotta hear this!!  
http://byubroadcasting.org/familyexpo/d ... dYear=2001
The kids at HS who accepted Jesus Christ, those who understood and accepted "attonement", did best.
Are parents aware of the religious/mormon aspect of the program.

June 1990
Glen Overton of Heritage School in Provo, Utah, announced a joint venture with Wilderness Academy to provide clinical wilderness survival. Wilderness Academy is changing its name to Aspen Achievement Center and Nancy Groll has moved over from Heritage School in Provo to handle admissions.
http://www.strugglingteens.com/archives ... een01.html

April 1999
Continuing Property Tax Exemptions
5. Heritage Schools, Parcel No. 17:057:0077
Richard Evans, Jerry Spanos, and Glen Zagg are here to represent Heritage Schools. Commissioner Gardner asked if they are doing things according to the same mission that they always have, school services, rehabilitation, and group therapy. He stated that they are primarily an educational facility that provides mental health and other support services. Commissioner Gardner asked if the students are hired in an internship or as an apprenticeship and leave campus? He, stated that these kids are under the age of 18, the vocational education is strictly part of their education program. We hope that this will help them when they go back to their home community and try to find work employment to help them build some skills. We don't have any connections in the community where there are apprenticeship or placements. Commissioner Gardner said that was one of the major questions that he had. He then asked if they do any kind of off-site wilderness experience with the students. He said no. Everything is done on campus.
Aspen no longer provides wilderness?
With those questions answered Commissioner Gardner made the motion with regard to Item No. 5, Heritage School, Parcel No. 17:0057:0077, that we grant continuing property exempt status. Commissioner Herbert seconded the motion and with no additional comments or discussion it carried with the following vote:

Aye:
Jerry D. Grover
David J. Gardner
Gary R. Herbert

Nay: None

[Deborah]

Apparently, the direct link to Overton's talk isn't working.
Go here
http://mentalhealthlibrary.info/library ... dsbyux.htm
Select "Perfecting the Prodigal"
On the next page, Select "Continue"
On the next page, Scroll down and Select "2001" in the View Year drop down box
You'll find "Perfecting the Prodigal" about 2/3 down the page. Select the medium you want to use to listen.
If you want to skip the opening song, go to 26.30 ish.

Again, to paraphrase.... the kids who did best at Heritage were those who accepted Jesus Christ, who understood and accepted attonement.

[mamala]

just cannot get it to work on this computer. ARGH!

i did notice the name brinley. the new osteopath they have at heritage is named derry brinley. he just got off probation (and less than a year later he is at heritage) for bizarre and sick behavior with a former patient. he was still married! of course he had confessed to the church. this is what they bring in there, just because he's a mormon, rather than a medical doctor or someone with a clean record. a sicko himself.

[Deborah]

The options are Windows Media or Real Audio. Do you have either?
It will be rebroadcast on BYU Television
15 Oct @ 4p
23 Oct @ 4a

[CCM girl 1989]

Mamala,

I listened to most of the talk for 2001, as well as the 2005 talk that Glen Overton gave. Thank you Deborah for providing all of us with those links. When I listen to him, there isn't anything that screams out, this man is a wolf in sheeps clothing. This man is a cult leader!!!! Nothing could be further from the truth.

I do not attend church except for on Christmas, and Easter. I am not very religious whatsoever. But, I respect those who are. We had church available to us at Heritage. It was not forced on us. In fact, I would say out of the 100 girls that were there at the time I was, maybe 15 of us would attend on Sunday? I attended 4 or 5 times.

The state of Utah is primarily Mormon, and that's no big surprise. They have their beliefs, and there are many people around the world that have their own set of different religious beliefs. What's the big deal?

Some people draw strength from religion, get guidance from religion, and a lot of people find comfort in religion. Why do you think the majority of people around this world identify themselves as belonging to a certain religion? It's really pretty normal. I don't think the Mormon church, and the fact our school was run, and is still primarily run by Mormons posed any real threat to us students! I'm going to say that they are a very family orientated church, and you can't fault them for that. If anything, it maybe helped set a good example for us, and our parents.

I didn't find it to be scary at all! A little weird at first since I came from California, which is a melting pot of religious beliefs. Utah like I said is primarily Mormon. I would say maybe 5% of the girls got baptized while there. Or maybe even less. It wasn't a huge number.

I really don't see what the big deal is here folks? Can someone please explain to me why this is such a huge issue with some of you here?

[Anonymous]

Why were you there for 3 1/2 years?

[Deborah]

I would say maybe 5% of the girls got baptized while there. Or maybe even less. It wasn't a huge number.

So, based on Overton's comment... about 5% improve? Those who get 'saved'?

I really don't see what the big deal is here folks? Can someone please explain to me why this is such a huge issue with some of you here?

It's called truth in advertising... transparency about what is actually happening in the program vs what's advertised. I'd venture to guess that the average parent who might select Heritage for their child is under the assumption that they are paying for structure and therapy, as advertised.  How many know the program is owned by a mormon? I also guess that none, or very few (other mormons), are told that their child will be brainwashed with Mormon values and encouraged/coerced(?) to accept JC and attone. I can also imagine some would be very angry to find out they were deceived.
If they are running a religious program, that should be disclosed in their propoganda.

[CCM girl 1989]

Why were you there for 3 1/2 years?

Well, let's see.....in the 7th grade, I got kicked out of 2 Junior High Schools. One for truancy, fighting, smoking, and getting kicked out of several of my classes for mouthing off. The second school was for fighting. Not just one instance, several.

When I got to Heritage I was a total mess. I needed to be there for at least 2 of those years. I would say I grew quite a bit during that time. The next 1 1/2 years I was still growing, and I was put on transition with 2 different familes where I was allowed to go to Orem High School. I messed up both times, and got sent back.

I honestly think my parents didn't want me back home. I think life was easier, and less problematic without me. You cannot make parents take you home, and with my past history of violence there wasn't a lot of boarding schools that would've taken me. If any?

So, I was sent to Cross Creek Manor for the next 9 months, I was told basically from my therapist that he felt my parents were never going to be taking me home, and that more then likely I was going to be there until I was 18.

So, I took my future into my own hands, and ran away. I stayed a year on my own in St. George, Utah. Then my Aunt and Uncle found me, and brought me into their family in Northern California.

Hope that helps?

[hanzomon4]

just cannot get it to work on this computer. ARGH!

i did notice the name brinley. the new osteopath they have at heritage is named derry brinley. he just got off probation (and less than a year later he is at heritage) for bizarre and sick behavior with a former patient. he was still married! of course he had confessed to the church. this is what they bring in there, just because he's a mormon, rather than a medical doctor or someone with a clean record. a sicko himself.

Something similar happened with the boy scouts in an articleI read. After worker/staff scout violently raped a boy the Mormons protected him from prosecution. Apparently many victims were also pressured into forgiving their attackers instead of going to the police. Huge red flag

EDIT: I found the article, they protected the scoutmaster from prosecution, he was later excommunicated for some unknown reason. The article also tells about the trouble others have faced in reporting sex abuse in the Mormon Church.

[Anonymous]

he was later excommunicated for some unknown reason.

He didn't share.

[CCM girl 1989]

I would say maybe 5% of the girls got baptized while there. Or maybe even less. It wasn't a huge number.

So, based on Overton's comment... about 5% improve? Those who get 'saved'?

I really don't see what the big deal is here folks? Can someone please explain to me why this is such a huge issue with some of you here?

It's called truth in advertising... transparency about what is actually happening in the program vs what's advertised. I'd venture to guess that the average parent who might select Heritage for their child is under the assumption that they are paying for structure and therapy, as advertised.  How many know the program is owned by a mormon? I also guess that none, or very few (other mormons), are told that their child will be brainwashed with Mormon values and encouraged/coerced(?) to accept JC and attone. I can also imagine some would be very angry to find out they were deceived.
If they are running a religious program, that should be disclosed in their propoganda.

I use different words I suppose. I don't use the word SAVED! I will say though that I was helped by Heritage.

Truth in advertising? What are they misleading the parents about? I am not clear about that, please explain?!!

The fact they are Mormon? Does that really matter? Treatment is treatment, nobody forced the religion down our throats! Most intelligent adults know that Utah is a State populated, and run mostly by Mormons. That is no big secret! Nobody is brainwashed into becoming a Mormon while there. Don't you think if the parents were concerned, or cared if the school was owned, and operated by Mormons, they could've simply asked?

When you speak of transparency Deborah, should we make all Mormon people in this world disclose the fact they are Mormon? Should we tattoo it across their foreheads?!!! Before they even start up a conversation with anyone in this world they should be made to say I just want to let you know before we engage in any type of conversation that I am a member of the LDS church. Are you kidding me?!!!!!!

The Heritage School is not a program that brainwashes kids into becoming Mormon. It was merely something that was offered to us on Sundays.

Please continue to go out there, and find programs that are abusive, and leave ones alone that are not.

[Anonymous]

CCM Girl, what would happen to you psychologically if mamala decided to pull her daughter out?

[Deborah]

Please continue to go out there, and find programs that are abusive, and leave ones alone that are not.

Don't attempt to tell me what to do. I'll post what I find on this, and any other program. People can draw their own conclusions.

Do you see anywhere on Heritage's website any disclosure regarding the kids who do best ARE THOSE WHO ACCEPT JC AND ATTONE?  

And, yes, if kids in a program are being subjected to any religion or covert religious beliefs/values this indicates a lack of TRANSPARENCY. Deception at the least, unless there is a disclaimer in their promotional materials.
Perhaps parents would rather NOT spend tens of thousands on the chance their kids will attone. They might want the traditional therapy that is advertised and NO religious influence.

Pennsylvania has a lot of Amish too, but would middle america send their kids to an Amish RTC?  Honestly, I don't think the thought ever crosses their minds to ask about religious affiliation/values/influence. They expect an RTC to be science/therapy based, unless otherwise is dislosed.

Given your comments- that you only went to church 4 or 5 times, didn't attone, didn't improve and were sent to another program... might that indicate that Overton's comment is somewhat accurate?

[Botched Programming]

Out of curiosity..... Are you a mormon???

[Anonymous]

I would say maybe 5% of the girls got baptized while there. Or maybe even less. It wasn't a huge number.

So, based on Overton's comment... about 5% improve? Those who get 'saved'?

I really don't see what the big deal is here folks? Can someone please explain to me why this is such a huge issue with some of you here?

It's called truth in advertising... transparency about what is actually happening in the program vs what's advertised. I'd venture to guess that the average parent who might select Heritage for their child is under the assumption that they are paying for structure and therapy, as advertised.  How many know the program is owned by a mormon? I also guess that none, or very few (other mormons), are told that their child will be brainwashed with Mormon values and encouraged/coerced(?) to accept JC and attone. I can also imagine some would be very angry to find out they were deceived.
If they are running a religious program, that should be disclosed in their propoganda.

I use different words I suppose. I don't use the word SAVED! I will say though that I was helped by Heritage.

What she's pointing out is the coincidence of 5% of the kids 'improving' and 5% of the kids being 'saved'.  A little heavy on the religion, no?

Truth in advertising? What are they misleading the parents about? I am not clear about that, please explain?!!

They don't advertise that they are heavily religious.  they don't disclose that the child's 'improvement' most likely depends on how much religion they accept.

The fact they are Mormon? Does that really matter? Treatment is treatment, nobody forced the religion down our throats!

Its much more subtle than that and you know it.

Most intelligent adults know that Utah is a State populated, and run mostly by Mormons. That is no big secret! Nobody is brainwashed into becoming a Mormon while there. Don't you think if the parents were concerned, or cared if the school was owned, and operated by Mormons, they could've simply asked?

Sure, but why wouldn't that be disclosed by the program in the first place?

When you speak of transparency Deborah, should we make all Mormon people in this world disclose the fact they are Mormon?

When its in this context?  Absolutely!!!  Shame on you for not demanding it.

The Heritage School is not a program that brainwashes kids into becoming Mormon. It was merely something that was offered to us on Sundays.

Please continue to go out there, and find programs that are abusive, and leave ones alone that are not.

That's what we're doing.