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Offline hanzomon4

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« Reply #30 on: October 08, 2007, 03:43:35 PM »
For some people it truly hurts them, in regards to AA. Do you say the same for WWASPS? If that's going to cause an argument don't worry about it.
Oh and by the way SSRIs put me through the same kind of withdrawal, never got the bliss though.
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« Reply #31 on: October 08, 2007, 03:47:07 PM »
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Just because a member of a certain religion is involved with something, does not mean that it is church sanctioned.

Did someone say that?

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I am a survivor of a Religious Cult Home, and I am against forced religion in any form, but my inlaws are mormon, and I take offense to the whole idea that this place is being ran by the church itself.


Did someone say that?

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The mormons are the most profamily group of people you could ever get to know.  They are salt of the earth, shirt off their back, good, decent, and kind human beings.


I'm not talking about your inlaws, I don't know them. They may be decent people.
Actually, in general, Utah/Mormons are not the most pro-family group you could ever know. They have the highest child abuse stats in the nation. They have so many people (mostly unhappy females) on Prozac that they are referred to as the Prozac Capital. The whole ADD shit came out of Utah, so they like to drug their kiddies too. And shall we not forget, giving their teen girls to older family members- poligamy.
You'll find links to that information/stats/data here:
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?p=17746#17746

My personal opinion, they're right up there with Roloff. For many, it appears that their program is part of their religious mission to 'help' others.

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instead of beating the drum that religion might in some way be involved in these homes, talk to the survivors and find out if they felt pressured to become involved with a religion.
 

Who's beating the drum? The owner stated it. The question- did he disclose it to parents?
What would be really helpful to the flow of discussion is if people would read what was actually written. I provided links to a lecture by the owner of Heritage and his comment that those who did well in his program were those who accepted JC and attonement. THAT is the topic of discussion in this thread, btw. Did you listen to it?
My comment that if religion is part of the program, it should be disclosed is valid.  Agree or disagree? That's the only comment relevant to this discussion.

Here's a directive... stop beating the drum that I'm a religious bigot. FYI, I'm not attached to any organized religion, even the non-religions. Haven't found one that make a bit of sense.
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« Reply #32 on: October 08, 2007, 04:14:57 PM »
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For some people it truly hurts them, in regards to AA. Do you say the same for WWASPS? If that's going to cause an argument don't worry about it.
Oh and by the way SSRIs put me through the same kind of withdrawal, never got the bliss though.


I don't claim to know AA/NA practices. I know that it has helped many people out there though get off drugs, and alcohol. How does AA/NA hurt people? Don't most people make the choice to attend these meetings? I know sometimes people are ordered by the court to go to meetings, but that's not the majority of the people I think who attend, is it? Am I wrong? If so please tell me.

Also Hanzomon, I am not sure why you bring up WWASPS? What does that have to do with AA?

And BTW, almost everything said on this board causes some kind of argument, don't worry about that. Just playing, more or less we are just stating our own opinions!

But, I am not sure of your question?
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« Reply #33 on: October 08, 2007, 04:18:44 PM »
Ooh, I can't wait for Anne to respond to that last post. Wheres that orange-papers link when you need it?
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« Reply #34 on: October 08, 2007, 04:23:29 PM »
Here's a directive... stop beating the drum that I'm a religious bigot. FYI, I'm not attached to any organized religion, even the non-religions. Haven't found one that make a bit of sense.[/b]




Deb, it seems to me like you're upset that you have not found a religion that makes any sense to you? I'm sorry, maybe that's part of your problem here?

I'm not sure why you are attacking others for their beliefs though? What's up with that? Nobody is pushing anything on anyone at this school.
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« Reply #35 on: October 08, 2007, 04:25:23 PM »
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Ooh, I can't wait for Anne to respond to that last post. Wheres that orange-papers link when you need it?



Hey, if someone has that kind of time on their hands, god bless them. Please knock yourself out.
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« Reply #36 on: October 08, 2007, 04:27:10 PM »
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If you don't agree with their ways, that's fine. But, for some people it truly helps them. Why wouldn't you want people to get better, get healthy, and start making good decisions?


I brought up WWASPS in response to this. Would your statement apply to WWASPS?

Also Deb is not attacking anyone's religious beliefs.
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« Reply #37 on: October 08, 2007, 04:33:04 PM »
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Quote from: ""CCM girl 1989""

If you don't agree with their ways, that's fine. But, for some people it truly helps them. Why wouldn't you want people to get better, get healthy, and start making good decisions?

I brought up WWASPS in response to this. Would your statement apply to WWASPS?

Also Deb is not attacking anyone's religious beliefs.


No, it wouldn't apply to WWASPS.

And for the record, I personally feel like she is attacking the Mormon religion!
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« Reply #38 on: October 08, 2007, 04:59:26 PM »
I have another question, but sense it's not on topic I'll just pm you instead
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« Reply #39 on: October 08, 2007, 05:02:46 PM »
Feel free, although I am off to an appointment. I might not be able to answer right away.
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« Reply #40 on: October 08, 2007, 05:02:51 PM »
CCM Girl. Like you and probably most people on the board i dont have an issue if a school is religious. i also agree with you that mormonism is not in itself an abusive faith any more than Islam is inherently the faith of terrorists or Catholicism the faith of paedophiles.
However many of these "therapeutic" schools profess to be neutral when they are in fact mormon. This is deceptive. A parent wanting to send their kid to the local christian school is not told that it is secular or Jewish. If a school is not going to be honest about this then it does not seem wise for a parent to trust that it is honest about its other practices.
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« Reply #41 on: October 08, 2007, 05:11:15 PM »
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CCM Girl. Like you and probably most people on the board i dont have an issue if a school is religious. i also agree with you that mormonism is not in itself an abusive faith any more than Islam is inherently the faith of terrorists or Catholicism the faith of paedophiles.
However many of these "therapeutic" schools profess to be neutral when they are in fact mormon. This is deceptive. A parent wanting to send their kid to the local christian school is not told that it is secular or Jewish. If a school is not going to be honest about this then it does not seem wise for a parent to trust that it is honest about its other practices.


Most parents are not sending their kids to Heritage in hopes they will become a member of the LDS church. They are sending their kids there that have emotional problems in hopes that they will get the help they need. The program has a structure that has very little to do with the Mormon religion. I simply said that attending church was an option made to us there. The program did not revolve around it. There were Jewish girls there, and you didn't see the missionaries rolling  up on their bikes trying to change them!

BTW, nobody was ever treated differently because of whatever religious views they had.
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« Reply #42 on: October 08, 2007, 08:58:02 PM »
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CCM Girl, what would happen to you psychologically if mamala decided to pull her daughter out?


The question is, what was the psychological impact of her parents rejection? Can you imagine not being wanted by your parents? Being raised by an institution.

Kid bonds with the program? The program becomes the parent?
Perhaps that explains the defensiveness.

Kids who are abused by their parents might bad-mouth them but they don't want anyone else to. Cause if you bad-mouth the parent, the kid perceives it as bad-mouthing him. They can talk shit about their parents, but you can't.

CCM, why do you, in hindsight, think the program didn't work for you? I mean, 3 1/2 years of 24/7 structure and therapy, is a long time to make no progress.
How often did you see a licensed therapist?
Did you gain any insight into why you were so violently angry?
Why you wanted to beat the shit out of others?
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« Reply #43 on: October 08, 2007, 09:10:01 PM »
What prompted your aunt and uncle to come to your rescue after you ran?
Why not before?

Were you ever allowed to grieve your parents rejection in the program? Or were you led to believe that their rejection was an effort to help, right down to forcing the exit plan?
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« Reply #44 on: October 08, 2007, 09:25:17 PM »
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What prompted your aunt and uncle to come to your rescue after you ran?
Why not before?

Were you ever allowed to grieve your parents rejection in the program? Or were you led to believe that their rejection was an effort to help, right down to forcing the exit plan?


My Aunt, and Uncle wanted to take me when I was 9. My parents did not let that happen. They tried again after my placement, and when I had come home for my brothers funeral at the age of 13, they still wouldn't let them take me.

I have no idea what you mean by "did I believe their rejection was an effort to help, right down the exit plan?"

No, they had nothing to do with my "exit plan", that had to do with my therapist, and the owner of the school.
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