Fighting our own congress.... George Miller sell out...

[BuzzKill]

Look forward to learning what kind of response you get Joyce.

Meanwhile, I have had the impression that this hearing is a preliminary thing. More will follow.  I have the impression that for now - it has been decided to focus on the glaring example of why federal involvement and intervention is needed. I believe this is why there is a focus on the Thayer Learning Center - no better example exists of why the states can not be trusted to protect the American citizens who find themselves in these private (faith based?) facilities.

I expect there is, at this point, a limit to how many they can have testify. I do believe this is expected to grow - and that in time many more - students included - will have a chance to speak out.

That's my impression. I think it is much to early for everyone to be so upset. Why see this glass as half empty? We have got the attention of people in DC who can help - finely - So, maybe we shouldn't shoot our gift horse in the head just yet.

[Pitbull Mom]

I sent the GAO investigator who interviewed me a very similar email, along with copies of my recent correspondence from the Utah Attorney General's office regarding why I am being prevented from attending the licensing hearing for Youth Care about their licensing suspension for negligence in my son's death.

I've also started faxing every member of the committe not only my son's story of neglect, but also information about special interest groups, NATSAP, and my outrage that there is not a wider group of witnesses.

http://http://www.frac.org/pdf/110thHouse_EdLabor.pdf

[Pitbull Mom]

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[psy]

Hey Joyce.  I appreciate the emial but could you redact ****'s name please

[Pitbull Mom]

Look forward to learning what kind of response you get Joyce.

Meanwhile, I have had the impression that this hearing is a preliminary thing. More will follow.  I have the impression that for now - it has been decided to focus on the glaring example of why federal involvement and intervention is needed. I believe this is why there is a focus on the Thayer Learning Center - no better example exists of why the states can not be trusted to protect the American citizens who find themselves in these private (faith based?) facilities.

I expect there is, at this point, a limit to how many they can have testify. I do believe this is expected to grow - and that in time many more - students included - will have a chance to speak out.

That's my impression. I think it is much to early for everyone to be so upset. Why see this glass as half empty? We have got the attention of people in DC who can help - finely - So, maybe we shouldn't shoot our gift horse in the head just yet.

Well said BuzzKill- I'm sure the GAO investigation and the hearing will be a process, the hearing coming up this week is not the "end all/be all" event. The idea is to educate the members of Congress who no doubt have formed opionions from the same marketing parents are exposed to, so ANY witnesses who testify that can get their attention have accomplished what everyone wants, which is to expose abuse. Instead of getting in a fury about who gets to testify and who doesn't, just agree to get the committe as much pertinent information as possible. Making a big stink about who testifies and who doesn't is more likely to derail the main issue than anything else. Use this opportunity well.

[psy]

Look forward to learning what kind of response you get Joyce.

Meanwhile, I have had the impression that this hearing is a preliminary thing. More will follow.  I have the impression that for now - it has been decided to focus on the glaring example of why federal involvement and intervention is needed. I believe this is why there is a focus on the Thayer Learning Center - no better example exists of why the states can not be trusted to protect the American citizens who find themselves in these private (faith based?) facilities.

I expect there is, at this point, a limit to how many they can have testify. I do believe this is expected to grow - and that in time many more - students included - will have a chance to speak out.

That's my impression. I think it is much to early for everyone to be so upset. Why see this glass as half empty? We have got the attention of people in DC who can help - finely - So, maybe we shouldn't shoot our gift horse in the head just yet.

Well said BuzzKill- I'm sure the GAO investigation and the hearing will be a process, the hearing coming up this week is not the "end all/be all" event. The idea is to educate the members of Congress who no doubt have formed opionions from the same marketing parents are exposed to, so ANY witnesses who testify that can get their attention have accomplished what everyone wants, which is to expose abuse. Instead of getting in a fury about who gets to testify and who doesn't, just agree to get the committe as much pertinent information as possible. Making a big stink about who testifies and who doesn't is more likely to derail the main issue than anything else. Use this opportunity well.

 It could go either way, depending on how such a "stink" is done, how shocking it was, and whether the cameras were getting it (and motivated to use it.. contact the right wing press).  I don't doubt that the industry will be there as well to make it's own stink.  Don't doubt for a second they wouldn't do it.  Prepare for that at the very least or be prepared to demand they be thrown the fuck out (I know I will).  They don't belong in the same room as the parents or survivors they tormented.

[Che Gookin]

I'm betting any survivors that are allowed to testify will be under the umbrella of Cafarty.

[Pitbull Mom]

Full Committee and Subcommittee Schedule

Wednesday, October 10, 2007

Full Committee

Hearing on "Cases of Child Neglect and Abuse at Private Residential Treatment Facilities," scheduled at 10:30 a.m. in room 2175 Rayburn H.O.B.

Witnesses:

Greg Kutz
Managing Director
Forensic Audits and Special Investigations
Government Accountability Office

Cynthia Harvey
Mother of Child Victim

Bob Bacon
Father of Child Victim

Paul Lewis
Father of Child Victim

Allison Pinto
Research Psychologist &
Assistant Research Professor
Louis de la Parte Florida Medical Health Institute
University of South Florida

Jan Moss
Executive Director
National Association of
Therapeutic Schools and Programs

[Anonymous]

Yup, not a single survivor.  What a disgrace.  Like they couldn't take an extra 30 minutes for 6 of them to testify?  These are 5 minutes testimonials from what I understand.

The good news is the parents testimony will be extremely powerful!  Do not underestimate the ripple effect of their heartwretching stories.  They will stretch beyond this hearing given the extensive media coverage expected at the hearing.

Not surprised to see A START included, that was pretty much a given.

As for NAPSAP - all I can say is good luck.  These stories from the parents will do great damage to the industry no matter how they (NAPSAP) tries to spin it.

[Anonymous]

GIt's the "wilderness experience" at its most extreme--rehabilitation of wayward teenagers delivered with the in-your-face discipline of a boot camp. But in the past five years at least four young people have died, the victims of alleged beatings, starvation, and emotional abuse, and the so-called therapy is looking more like murder.
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The long-distance connection was good, but as Sally Bacon stood in her Phoenix kitchen, she couldn't make sense of what she was hearing. A month before, she'd sent her 16-year-old son, Aaron, to a Utah wilderness school called North Star Expeditions. Now a disembodied voice from North Star was telling her, "Aaron is down. We can't get a pulse."

"What does that mean, you can't get a pulse?"

"Aaron's been airlifted to the hospital in Page, Arizona," came the reply. "Call your husband. He's been given the hospital phone number." Sally frantically dialed Bob Bacon at his office. Sounding numb, he repeated what he knew: Aaron had collapsed in the desert. It was a freak accident. There was nothing anyone could do. Their son was dead.

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To read entire article click here:
http://teenadvocatesusa.homestead.com/foreveryoung.html

Special Message to Parents:

Please remember that no program is a good program if your child's attitude and behavior is subject to being controlled and/or changed in an environment ruled by FEAR.

If you believe or even suspect your child is at risk of abusive care and treatment (including being deprived of an education) please take the appropriate and necessary steps to protect and enforce your child's safety and well-being.

Thank You,

Barbe Stamps
TAUSA
http://www.teenadvocatesusa.homestead.c ... Ahome.html

GAO WITNESS:  Bob Bacon

[Anonymous]

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Erica Harvey died of hyperthermia (heat-stroke) with dehydration. I'm her mom: this is fact. The girl you knew at Cascade (H.T.)also went to Catherine Freer (before Erica) and may have gotten her information from someone at Catherine Freer. It's not correct. Erica, at 5'5" and 130 lbs. was a strong, healthy young woman who died from preventable causes.

The 2 year anniversary of Erica's death is May 27.  
 

GAO Witness: Cynthia Harvey

[Deborah]

Credible speakers. I'm glad they're all on the list.... but they're all wilderness programs.

The full impact of the abuse Aaron Bacon endured is laid out in this court document
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=240633#240633

CFW was able to keep the details of Harvey's death out of the media.

Ryan Lewis
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?p=206709#206709
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?p=4233#4233
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=198456#198456

[TheWho]

Full Committee and Subcommittee Schedule

Wednesday, October 10, 2007

Full Committee

Hearing on "Cases of Child Neglect and Abuse at Private Residential Treatment Facilities," scheduled at 10:30 a.m. in room 2175 Rayburn H.O.B.

Witnesses:

Greg Kutz
Managing Director
Forensic Audits and Special Investigations
Government Accountability Office

Cynthia Harvey
Mother of Child Victim

Bob Bacon
Father of Child Victim

Paul Lewis
Father of Child Victim

Allison Pinto
Research Psychologist &
Assistant Research Professor
Louis de la Parte Florida Medical Health Institute
University of South Florida

Jan Moss
Executive Director
National Association of
Therapeutic Schools and Programs

Thanks, Pitbull, for posting this information.......looks like a good balance of representation for the first go around... I will be interested in how they Document/write up the information/Testimony  presented.

[Che Gookin]

And not one single survivor.........


jesus.. what a joke.

Ah well it is free air time hopefully someone gets some use out of it.