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Should Sue related threads get moved to PURE/sue/caca forum?

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« Reply #30 on: August 29, 2007, 12:29:11 PM »
Right.  That issue is dead. We are experimenting with moving the forum from phpBB to this one which will allow easy mods (without hacking the source).  That essentially means that it will be easier for us to upgrade to new versions of the forum without having to manually re-apply any customizations to the source.

The only thing I don't like about that software is the license. It's not GPL which means SimpleMachines may just decide one day to start charging for the software.  Another alternative is just to deal with phpBB2 until version 3 comes out (with easy mods).
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« Reply #31 on: August 29, 2007, 12:30:51 PM »
Quote from: ""Anne Bonney""
Quote from: ""TheWho""
Look, why keep speculating on whether or not my posts were altered.  There is no edit trail. The only two people who know (if or if not) my posts were altered are myself and the one who altered them.  The altering posts occured way before the cat-in-the-hat issue.  I thought adding the cat was a good idea and encouraged it because I couldnt log in at the time, there was no complaint with that.  I used it as a vehicle to show that the posts could be altered without a trail, that is all.

This is not the place for this discussion and as far as I am concerned it is a dead issue.  A corrective action plan is being looked at, I was told, so an edit trail is in place for all edits.  This should satisfy all concerned with it.

Well duh!!  Of course it's a dead issue with you.  You were caught posing as several different people (students, parents, staff) and you don't like it.

Fuck you.  I don't give a shit what you think.  You can shove it right up your ass.  I don't believe for one single second that anything was done to your posts to alter your words (unless it was an anon troll quoting your anon posts.  In that case, it was satire, like when people post as Miller Newton).


No.  The Who is right (partially, at least).  Regardless of who I believe on this issue, like he said, there is no edit trail currently and that issue is being looked into. (see my last post)
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« Reply #32 on: August 29, 2007, 12:31:29 PM »
Didn't Psy start these Scheff postings in Troubled Teen? Maybe more readers here?
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« Reply #33 on: August 29, 2007, 12:33:27 PM »
Quote from: ""psy""
No.  The Who is right (partially, at least).  Regardless of who I believe on this issue, like he said, there is no edit trail currently and that issue is being looked into. (see my last post)


He may be 'right' in that there is no edit trail, but I don't believe for a second that the Mods were altering what he said or rewriting his words or burying his posts.

He's a fucking liar, proven over and over again.
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« Reply #34 on: August 29, 2007, 12:36:28 PM »
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Didn't Psy start these Scheff postings in Troubled Teen? Maybe more readers here?


Yes, but I was asked (by Ginger, i think) to post them in the PURE / CACA forum in the future.  It seems that the majority of posters seem to agree that is a good idea.  The PURE / CACA forum is getting a lot of traffic as of recently.  Personally, I don't have a problem, however I'm waiting for a more definite response to this poll before I ask Ginger about this (after all, it's her decision ultimately).

Another reason why I would like the posts in the PURE / CACA forum is because we will soon be adding RSS support to this forum, and if all relavant sue-sue information is in there, I can add an RSS feed onto sueschefftruth.com showing all recent postings on the Fornits.com pure-caca forum. (similar to what Carey's blog is now doing with sueschefftruth.com).

If important suesue information isn't in that forum, it won't show up in the feed, and Google will have a harder problem finding it.
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« Reply #35 on: August 29, 2007, 12:37:23 PM »
Quote from: ""Anne Bonney""
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No.  The Who is right (partially, at least).  Regardless of who I believe on this issue, like he said, there is no edit trail currently and that issue is being looked into. (see my last post)

He may be 'right' in that there is no edit trail, but I don't believe for a second that the Mods were altering what he said or rewriting his words or burying his posts.

He's a fucking liar, proven over and over again.

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« Reply #36 on: August 29, 2007, 12:39:32 PM »
How do people feel about moving suesue threads to the pure/caca forum AFTER they drop off page 1 of the TTI forum (which means, essentially, they won't exist).

I can still leave a "ghost copy" on the tti forum, which will redirect people to that thread on the PURE / CACA forum.  Ginger has done this with a number of my Benchmark threads.
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« Reply #37 on: August 29, 2007, 12:41:40 PM »
A majority (if not all) posters also thought it was a good idea to ban theWho, why was this not done?

What are the reasons for the moving of someone's posts so far? All I have read for the reason is convenience, clutter, and 'because I think so' arguments.

As far as theWho is concerned I hate that guy but I did see with my own eyes his posts altered in TSW's forum, so that is a moot issue, his posts were altered. Now please ban him since mob rules, it would seem.
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« Reply #38 on: August 29, 2007, 12:45:01 PM »
Quote from: ""Guest""
A majority (if not all) posters also thought it was a good idea to ban theWho, why was this not done?

What are the reasons for the moving of someone's posts so far? All I have read for the reason is convenience, clutter, and 'because I think so' arguments.

To make the conversations easier to follow.  To keep PURE and SUE stuff in the PURE and SUE forum.  Why is that so bad?

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As far as theWho is concerned I hate that guy but I did see with my own eyes his posts altered in TSW's forum, so that is a moot issue, his posts were altered. Now please ban him since mob rules, it would seem.


If that really happened it's obviously wrong.  TSW did get his mod privileges yanked so maybe it was due to that, which would mean that the problem was recognized and fixed.  I do not believe, even for a minute that Deb was editing or altering his posts.  TSW, maybe ya got me there but if that's so, it's not a problem now.
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« Reply #39 on: August 29, 2007, 01:09:22 PM »
Quote from: ""Anne Bonney""
 The Who:
He's a fucking liar, proven over and over again.


Just cause he's here doesn't mean y'all have to acknowledge him.

What's wrong w/having a PURE/Sue forum for PURE/SUE stuff?  
:idea: You could call it 'PURE Bullshit'?

And finally:  No.  I would not mind having my posts together - under my screenname.  Make it alot easier to find, eh?!
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« Reply #40 on: August 29, 2007, 01:15:02 PM »
This is the definition of Group think. When the group thinks they know better than the individual, and "corrects" their actions for them based on their "noble" reasons. A sad day for fornits, indeed.
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« Reply #41 on: August 29, 2007, 01:19:31 PM »
Quote from: ""Anne Bonney""

To make the conversations easier to follow.  To keep PURE and SUE stuff in the PURE and SUE forum.  Why is that so bad?


Nobody is asking you to limit your straight Inc experience and testimony to the Straight Inc. forum, so why ask someone effected by Sue Scheff for whatever reason to do the same? Why not get rid of the TTI forum altogether and make 1000 small forums for each individuals program? As well as the fact that PURE "bullshit" in the very title suggests that it isn't important. If Straight Inc was called Survivor Bullshit, would you want to post in there?

I don't think it's "bad", I think it's hypocritical in a supposed free speech forum. Those who don't like the person who posts a lot on Sue Scheff claim noble causes and organizational issues as to why they want these posts gone when in fact they just want their own posts to be  more visible because they think what they have to say is more important. Instead of bumping threads they think are important they complain to the admin and attempt to change the rules. That's not 'bad' but it suggests a shift in fornits policy if the admins enact changes based on certain people's opinions and ignore others.
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« Reply #42 on: August 29, 2007, 01:21:46 PM »
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This is the definition of Group think. When the group thinks they know better than the individual, and "corrects" their actions for them based on their "noble" reasons. A sad day for fornits, indeed.


Are you suggesting my programming is showing?! (sarcasm)
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« Reply #43 on: August 29, 2007, 01:22:10 PM »
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This is the definition of Group think. When the group thinks they know better than the individual, and "corrects" their actions for them based on their "noble" reasons. A sad day for fornits, indeed.


Bullshit, it's not the same thing at all.
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« Reply #44 on: August 29, 2007, 01:23:02 PM »
Perhaps I'm wrong- don't know who's complaining or how this issue came about.  It's not an issue of free speech or censorship, imo. I don't consider the issue to be if Sue threads are posted in TTI, sometimes it's appropriate to have them in both places.

There have been days though, where almost the whole first page is related to Sue/Pure/Izzy. One would think it was the S/P/I forum. Many of those threads could've been combined. Just as the examples I gave earlier in this thread. So someone wants to read about her daughter working for a program. They can't go to one thread and read all the relevant information, because it will be scattered out in multiple threads.
I used to link related threads. There's too much these days. I can't keep up.

Everyone could look before they post. If there's already a thread on a specific topic, add your post to it rather than start a new one.
For instance, if a year ago someone was arrested and charged for abuse, why not post updates in that same thread? It does make for easier reading and searching.

Programs/Topics get their own forum when they generate enough interest to warrant it. If more posts are made for that program in the TTI, what's the purpose of having its own forum? I don't expect people to come to TTI to find info on HLA. It's going to overlap, its the nature of the beast, but another option is to post the relevant info in the appropriate forum then link to it in other forums. The redundancy isn't necessary.
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