Should Sue related threads get moved to PURE/sue/caca forum?

[Anne Bonney]

Nobody is asking you to limit your straight Inc experience and testimony to the Straight Inc. forum, so why ask someone effected by Sue Scheff for whatever reason to do the same? Why not get rid of the TTI forum altogether and make 1000 small forums for each individuals program? As well as the fact that PURE "bullshit" in the very title suggests that it isn't important. If Straight Inc was called Survivor Bullshit, would you want to post in there?

I don't think it's "bad", I think it's hypocritical in a supposed free speech forum. Those who don't like the person who posts a lot on Sue Scheff claim noble causes and organizational issues as to why they want these posts gone when in fact they just want their own posts to be  more visible because they think what they have to say is more important. Instead of bumping threads they think are important they complain to the admin and attempt to change the rules. That's not 'bad' but it suggests a shift in fornits policy if the admins enact changes based on certain people's opinions and ignore others.

Then we're just not understanding each other.  I don't want every single mention of Sue or PURE in the PURE forum because they do all relate.    But when the entire thread is about PURE or Sue, I don't have a problem moving it there.  You do.  OK, now Psy has at least two opinions on the matter.  I wasn't advocating burying, altering, deleting posts or anything like it.  Psy asked for opinions and I gave mine.

You seem to keep inferring some sinister motive behind the wish to separate the issues.  It just ain't there.  I could give a shit.  Sue will get what's due to her by her own actions.  Who is just a program shill.

Your opinion might carry some more weight if you signed in, btw.
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[Anonymous]

This is the definition of Group think. When the group thinks they know better than the individual, and "corrects" their actions for them based on their "noble" reasons. A sad day for fornits, indeed.

Bullshit, it's not the same thing at all.

It's exactly the same thing.

[Anonymous]

You seem to keep inferring some sinister motive behind the wish to separate the issues.  It just ain't there.  I could give a shit.  Sue will get what's due to her by her own actions.  Who is just a program shill.

If this forum's policy is based on ideology, which it is, then these things matter. The programs that abuse so many kids do not have sinister motives either, they think they are helping kids out.

Your opinion might carry some more weight if you signed in, btw.
 :wink:

Why is that?

[3xsaSeedling]

I can still leave a "ghost copy" on the tti forum, which will redirect people to that thread on the PURE / CACA forum.  Ginger has done this with a number of my Benchmark threads.

that sounds like it'll answer both issues, no?

[Mummie]

Frankly guys, the Who isn't the discussion here, alright, that's over.  

Back to the discussion at hand, you should just move the threads to the appropriate forums .  Why ask anyone?   Just do it.  In fact, Ginger, I think you control the site, right?  If you see new posts pop up in the wrong forums, just move them.  I've seen this done on other BBS sites.  The title remains, but a notation is made that is has been moved to yada yada yada forum.  It's that simple.  And if you have to, make a new disclaimer that posts may be moved to approriate forums as the board deems necessary.  I don't see what the big deal is.  You're never going to make everyone happy, so just make the call.

[Anne Bonney]

Frankly guys, the Who isn't the discussion here, alright, that's over.  

Back to the discussion at hand, you should just move the threads to the appropriate forums .  Why ask anyone?   Just do it.  In fact, Ginger, I think you control the site, right?  If you see new posts pop up in the wrong forums, just move them.  I've seen this done on other BBS sites.  The title remains, but a notation is made that is has been moved to yada yada yada forum.  It's that simple.  And if you have to, make a new disclaimer that posts may be moved to approriate forums as the board deems necessary.  I don't see what the big deal is.

Neither do I.

[Anne Bonney]

If this forum's policy is based on ideology, which it is, then these things matter. The programs that abuse so many kids do not have sinister motives either, they think they are helping kids out.

I disagree.

Your opinion might carry some more weight if you signed in, btw.
 :wink:

Why is that?

Well, I was half joking but you'll figure it out.

[Anne Bonney]

This is the definition of Group think. When the group thinks they know better than the individual, and "corrects" their actions for them based on their "noble" reasons. A sad day for fornits, indeed.

Bullshit, it's not the same thing at all.

It's exactly the same thing.

I don't see everyone agreeing on the subject at hand, do you?  Or saying that Psy is right, he's god, whatever he says goes.  Do you?

[Anonymous]

Frankly guys, the Who isn't the discussion here, alright, that's over.  

Back to the discussion at hand, you should just move the threads to the appropriate forums .  Why ask anyone?   Just do it.  In fact, Ginger, I think you control the site, right?  If you see new posts pop up in the wrong forums, just move them.  I've seen this done on other BBS sites.  The title remains, but a notation is made that is has been moved to yada yada yada forum.  It's that simple.  And if you have to, make a new disclaimer that posts may be moved to approriate forums as the boards deems necessary.  I don't see what the big deal is.

Because fornits has always made ideological claims of being a bastion of freedom of speech, most forum do not make such statements. You don't see the big deal because you haven't seen survivors been bashed and harrassed repeatedly by pro-program people and then the admins to say, sorry I will not ban/change/edit/move these absolutely disgustingly offensive posts, sorry, and then they quote Voltaire and their free speech ideology and all that. I am simply holding them to their own statements. I would of loved this forum to be moderated from day one. Make it a survivor forum. Make it a parent forum. Do whatever. Make the intentions clear. But when the intention is to "clean up the mess", what a subjective statement to make. They are trying to have it both ways, by claiming it's an unmoderated forum, while at the same time moderating. Moderating, by definition, is what they are discussing doing. They are going to moderate what they view to be excessive Scheff posts.

I don't care either way, I am not personally involved in the Scheff matter. But don't claim to be righteous when you are not. This forum will be just like anti-wwasp, cafety and any other moderated forum. The reasons seem well enough, and seem like they will help but as the policy shifts remember this thread, because once they partake in this slippery slope, it ultimately implodes,. Just like last time.

[Anonymous]

This is the definition of Group think. When the group thinks they know better than the individual, and "corrects" their actions for them based on their "noble" reasons. A sad day for fornits, indeed.

Bullshit, it's not the same thing at all.

It's exactly the same thing.

At least with the "sign ins' it seems to be!

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[Anne Bonney]

Because fornits has always made ideological claims of being a bastion of freedom of speech, most forum do not make such statements.

No, what we've said is that this is about as close to unmoderated and free as you can get.  It's not perfect, but it's a damn sight better than anything else I've seen.

You don't see the big deal because you haven't seen survivors been bashed and harrassed repeatedly by pro-program people and then the admins to say, sorry I will not ban/change/edit/move these absolutely disgustingly offensive posts, sorry, and then they quote Voltaire and their free speech ideology and all that.

I've been harassed, threatened and slammed over the years.  We all have.  So what?

I am simply holding them to their own statements. I would of loved this forum to be moderated from day one. Make it a survivor forum. Make it a parent forum. Do whatever. Make the intentions clear. But when the intention is to "clean up the mess", what a subjective statement to make. They are trying to have it both ways, by claiming it's an unmoderated forum, while at the same time moderating. Moderating, by definition, is what they are discussing doing. They are going to moderate what they view to be excessive Scheff posts.

No, they are wanting to put them where it's easier to follow.

I don't care either way,

You sure do or you wouldn't continue this.

I am not personally involved in the Scheff matter. But don't claim to be righteous when you are not.

That's YOUR term, not ours.

This forum will be just like anti-wwasp, cafety and any other moderated forum. The reasons seem well enough, and seem like they will help but as the policy shifts remember this thread, because once they partake in this slippery slope, it ultimately implodes,. Just like last time.

We'll see.

[Anne Bonney]

At least with the "sign ins' it seems to be!

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[Anne Bonney]

Y'all have at it.  I gotta get some work done and get the hell outta here.

 :wave:  :silly:

[3xsaSeedling]

At least with the "sign ins' it seems to be!

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go vote

[Che Gookin]

I was made an admin a while back to specifically relocate the Sue Scheff crud to the appropriate venue. The plan didn't work then and it won't work now. I prefer a voluntary compliance (for the lack of a better phrase) at this point. It would be nice to have the Sue Scheff threads in the PURE boolshit forum. On the other hand I'm not going to hold my breath that everyone is going to be willing post and start threads about el rancido crotcho grande in the PUre Boolshit forum.

For better or for worst, as I agree whole heartedly with Racheal that Sue is soaking up far to much effort, we all post on an interest driven site. Sue is the subject of interest at this time therefore threads about her will be started and responded to.

Such is the nature of the beast. Unless Ginger is willing to change the policy here on fornits the threads should stay put.

My vote is no.