Should Sue related threads get moved to PURE/sue/caca forum?

[Anonymous]

Who decides what is the meat of the issue?

The stickied threads aren't very long.  It's not like they get much attention.  It's mostly to put source docs on, I think.  I don't look at them much unless new information is posted.

Who decides what is important enough to remain in the TTI forum, and what will be relegated to the internet equivalent of a  "free speech zone", a out of the way dark corner people can protest to their heart's content but nobody will see it.

The KIDSofJersey example is a poor one.  I believe that was moved altogether.  To Yahoo or something.  There were hardly any participants which is why it was always at the bottom.  It wasn't come conspiracy against KIDS.

If the forum isn't perfect free speech then why let theWho back in? That was done on purely idealogical grounds so why would you expect people not to hold this forum to the standard from that point on?

Apples and oranges.

This is about people trying to implement control and mold fornits into what they want it to be, it happened before. TSW went sticky and organizational crazy when he was admin, it happens every time someone is given the power and the reorganize according to their own beliefs on priority. That ain't free speech.The who said his posts were altered, now exactly free speech is it? See how ridiculous it is when subscriping to a strict ideology? It's so easy for us to poke holes through it.

I agree about how things got after TSW got his mod status.  That was corrected.  The Who lied about his posts being altered.   Deb added the icon only, she did not alter what he wrote.

This is stupid.  There is already a forum for PURE/Sue.  There is already one for EdCons.  What more do we need?  I don't mind moving threads from TTI to a PURE/CAICA/SUE forum.  That's where they belong so they dont' continue to distract from the rest of the TTI.

Just my .02.  Do whatever ya please.

[Anonymous]

Anyone else find it EXTREMELY IRONIC that the opening page to FORNITS.COM focuses on Scheff and a thread like this takes place? :rofl:

Opening page has what, about a full page all abou Sue? A statement from Ginger directed at Sue? A link to five websites about Sue?

Like a fat kid with a cookie in his hand asking for more food.

[Anonymous]

Drama, drama everywhere and nary the chance to think!
8/24/07 UPDATE!

[addendum to ^^^: We've been back up for awhile. How slack of me to leave out the all important links to
WWF.Fornits.com & DCHFans.org

I'll write an update on the bum's rush from NetFirms as soon as I can, I promise! Also I'll have the product and keyword ads in place very soon. Also.... oh, dear lord, who am I kidding! What I mean to say is that I shall try my very best to get all of these things done as soon as possible. Meanwhile, lame as this is, if anyone would care to we very much appreciate it.

8/14/07 UPDATE!

    Well, here we go again! NetFirms booted us off and won't even tell us who complained or the nature of the complaint, citing privacy concerns of the complainer. How very, very Orwellian! We'll have more info later after our hard workin crew settle the tech issues.

    Meanwhile, we here at fornits would like to thank Susan Scheff for giving us the impetus to seek out a hosting provider with whom we share a great deal of common ground with regard to philisophy and ethics.

    And here are some links that might be of interest to Fornits readers.

        * SueScheffTruth.com
        * Lawsuit Hits Romney Money Man
        * Ripoff Report.com
        * NowPublic.com
        * Hugg
        * CoRank.com

    8/05/07 UPDATE!
    Due to pervasive corruption in US tort law, the Fornits have been forced to seek refuge on a server in a free country.

    Here's the story as it came to me. Kelly, Fornits' tech admin, recieved This forwarded email from our hosting provider, essentially demanding that she edit some posts that Sue Scheff complained about. The letter was 90% bullshit and we're working on a point by point rebuttal of it. But with the state of things in the Corporate States of America, a company like Godaddy just can't afford the legal fees to mount a defense every time some idiot con woman threatens a slapp suit. And so we were offline for a short time and had to scramble a bit to get fornits.com back online. The forum is up and running, but We have a lot of work to do to get the rest of the site back in order.

    It is my sincere belief that Sue Scheff is not the least bit frightened by the content that she cites in her complaint. She knows as well as any of us that these guys are just making fun of her and not actually any real threat to her personal safety at all. Rather, the other content and communication that takes place every day on Fornits.com is an ongoing threat to her livelihood. The trouble is that she can't do anything legally to address that very real problem of hers because all people are doing is telling the truth about what she does. She can't make money off of people in her chosen vocation if they can easily find out the truth. But you can't sue someone for telling the truth, hence the falacious, possibly slanderous complaints, threats and law suits (and there are MANY!).

    This was a close call! We are fortunate to have been rescued by some talented and dedicated volunteers; some of the finest people in all of Cyberia.

    I want to thank :

        * Kelly Matthews, WebDiva extraordinaire, for her tireless effort to rescue the Fornits since the last server disaster and stunning wit and panache to boot.
        * Psybourge, who's not only devastatingly cute and charming, but also technically skilled and more adept at diplomacy and organization than anyone I know. (Psst! My daughter's still ssingle!)
        * Rachel for answering the call to find and thoroughly research our new server.
        * Others who shall be nameless for their generous financial and moral support.

    I'm verklempt... Discuss
    Or go right to the main forum page. Please let us know how you like the new server.

    Gratefully,
    Ginger
    Drug War POW `80 - `82

    P.S.: I think Sue Scheff is a diabolical sociopath, but that's just my opinion.

Who is focusing too much attention on Scheff? Is it the ONE poster who decides to post instead of just browsing the TTI forum, or was it a group effort that now has second thoughts about taking on a cause they don't really care about personally?

[Rachael]

Anyone else find it EXTREMELY IRONIC that the opening page to FORNITS.COM focuses on Scheff and a thread like this takes place? :rofl:

Opening page has what, about a full page all abou Sue? A statement from Ginger directed at Sue? A link to five websites about Sue?

Like a fat kid with a cookie in his hand asking for more food.

Not quite getting your point. Sue Scheff was responsible for bringing down this site no less than twice in the last couple of weeks creating a huge amount work for everyone involved.... And you are  complaining that the front page attempts to explain that?

[Anonymous]

Exactly which is why so many people were pissed at her, and many people that normally do not focused attention on Scheff, and obviously created an increase in the amount of threads related to her. So why the backlash? Instead of making threads that attempt to ontrol other poeple's words, why not write some of your own threads people? We need MORE speech not more controlled or less speech.

[3xsaSeedling]

Who decides what is the meat of the issue?

Just my .02.  Do whatever ya please.

Only thing now is we seem to agree w/theWho, @ least about housekeeping :roll:

[hanzomon4]

Exactly which is why so many people were pissed at her, and many people that normally do not focused attention on Scheff, and obviously created an increase in the amount of threads related to her. So why the backlash? Instead of making threads that attempt to ontrol other poeple's words, why not write some of your own threads people? We need MORE speech not more controlled or less speech.

Dude we just want the posts moved to the Pure Bullshit forum, no one is editing content. This isn't a backlash, speakout!! You can do that in the Pure forum just as well as you can in the TTI forum. Moving a few of these redundant post won't obstruct the discussion.

But regardless, I just ignore the stuff I don't want to read....

[Anonymous]

So you wouldn't mind if they move all your threads and posts to Joe's Apartment, since in my opinion you having never been in  program your posts are more relevant in that forum.
Everyone agreed the Who should be banned. He wasn't. Why? Because of free-speech policy. All I am arguing for is consistent policy. If you don't censor or alter Who's posts, why alter/change/move other people's?

(I know some of you don' see moving posts to dark forums as limiting free speech, just as the lawyer and policy makers feel free speech zones in front of republican conventions does not limit the protesters right to speak)

If fornits is going to subscribe to some sort of ideological policy and not be based on the whims of moderators (I could care less just be honest about it) at least be consistent.

[Mummie]

Psy

I think it would keep it simple if it were kept in one conveniently handy spot.  Specially for those using the information for research, it would definately make it easier to stay in one forum instead of having to jump back and forth.

[Anne Bonney]

So you wouldn't mind if they move all your threads and posts to Joe's Apartment, since in my opinion you having never been in  program your posts are more relevant in that forum.

That's not what anyone is talking about.

Everyone agreed the Who should be banned. He wasn't. Why? Because of free-speech policy. All I am arguing for is consistent policy. If you don't censor or alter Who's posts, why alter/change/move other people's?

There is a difference between altering posts and moving them for ease of the conversation.  That's all that's being talked about as far as I can see.

(I know some of you don' see moving posts to dark forums as limiting free speech, just as the lawyer and policy makers feel free speech zones in front of republican conventions does not limit the protesters right to speak)

KIDS and Joe's Apartment were set up for specific reasons.  Hanzo's posts wouldn't be appropriate for either one.  We're talking about moving the posts regarding Sue to the Sue forum, not some dark, little used one.  What's the problem with that?

If fornits is going to subscribe to some sort of ideological policy and not be based on the whims of moderators (I could care less just be honest about it) at least be consistent.

I don't see the inconsistency.  Who's posts were not altered in the way he's trying to make everyone believe.

[hanzomon4]

No I wasn't in a program but I keep my threads in the most relevant sections. I don't go around starting threads in TTI to slam posters I disagree with like "TheWho" thread, I post relevant shit. Moving post about Pure to the Pure forum is not like moving post on the JRC, or PV to Joe's Apartment.  

The only dark forums are the ones no one post in, if interest is in Pure the Pure forum goes to the top(if thats where people post threads). It would be at the top everyday considering all the interest as of late. I would suggest a sticky asking people to post info on Izzy, Sue, Pure and such in that forum as a suggestion to keep the info in one place.

It would just be easier to get info on Pure if one didn't have to wade through all that's covered in the TTI forum. But whatever, people will post where ever they feel something belongs.

[3xsaSeedling]

Moving a few of these redundant post won't obstruct the discussion.
But regardless, I just ignore the stuff I don't want to read....
whatever, people will post where ever they feel something belongs.

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So you wouldn't mind if they move all your threads and posts to Joe's Apartment, since in my opinion you having never been in program your posts are more relevant in that forum.
Everyone agreed the Who should be banned. He wasn't. Why? Because of free-speech policy. All I am arguing for is consistent policy. If you don't censor or alter Who's posts, why alter/change/move other people's?

(I know some of you don' see moving posts to dark forums as limiting free speech, just as the lawyer and policy makers feel free speech zones in front of republican conventions does not limit the protesters right to speak)

If fornits is going to subscribe to some sort of ideological policy and not be based on the whims of moderators (I could care less just be honest about it) at least be consistent

all the rattlesnakes should be in the same pit  :exclaim:

[TheWho]

I don't see the inconsistency. Who's posts were not altered in the way he's trying to make everyone believe.

Look, why keep speculating on whether or not my posts were altered.  There is no edit trail. The only two people who know (if or if not) my posts were altered are myself and the one who altered them.  The altering posts occured way before the cat-in-the-hat issue.  I thought adding the cat was a good idea and encouraged it because I couldnt log in at the time, there was no complaint with that.  I used it as a vehicle to show that the posts could be altered without a trail, that is all.

This is not the place for this discussion and as far as I am concerned it is a dead issue.  A corrective action plan is being looked at, I was told, so an edit trail is in place for all edits.  This should satisfy all concerned with it.

[hanzomon4]

OMG, no one edited your post especially not the person you accused. You look like an ass all by yourself. Issue dead now K?

[Anne Bonney]

Look, why keep speculating on whether or not my posts were altered.  There is no edit trail. The only two people who know (if or if not) my posts were altered are myself and the one who altered them.  The altering posts occured way before the cat-in-the-hat issue.  I thought adding the cat was a good idea and encouraged it because I couldnt log in at the time, there was no complaint with that.  I used it as a vehicle to show that the posts could be altered without a trail, that is all.

This is not the place for this discussion and as far as I am concerned it is a dead issue.  A corrective action plan is being looked at, I was told, so an edit trail is in place for all edits.  This should satisfy all concerned with it.

Well duh!!  Of course it's a dead issue with you.  You were caught posing as several different people (students, parents, staff) and you don't like it.

Fuck you.  I don't give a shit what you think.  You can shove it right up your ass.  I don't believe for one single second that anything was done to your posts to alter your words (unless it was an anon troll quoting your anon posts.  In that case, it was satire, like when people post as Miller Newton).