Split from Court Ruling Thread

[TheWho]

FALL OUT.........
Shed some light on why you speak of yourself in third person. Are you truly kinda out of touch, or just a manipulator?

Not sure what you mean by "Fall out".  I rarely speak of myself in the third person unless I am reading a quote during a presentation, in which I am quoting myself (if that makes any sense).  I typically use "I" and may have referred to "TheWho" thread as a specific place to post, but I don’t think this qualifies as Illeism.

I think grammar is becoming a lost art form but why single me out?  I read post after post, here on fornits, by people who have horrendous grammar but don’t feel compelled to point it out to them.

[Anonymous]

No, you wouldn't know about Fall Out. Just like you don't know about a lot of things you claim to have knowledge of regarding HLA.

[TheWho]

No, you wouldn't know about Fall Out. Just like you don't know about a lot of things you claim to have knowledge of regarding HLA.

I dont recall claiming to know about HLA.  I have never been there nor know anyone who attended.  How does "Fall out" relate to HLA?

[RobertBruce]

Fall Out involves being locked in a room either alone or with your pg, you are given a piece of paper and made to tell on yourself and others for crimes real and imagined. The counselors are usually looking for a specific piece of information (usually rumored) and will not move on until you tell them what they want to hear. Gosh Cindy maybe you have more in common with HLA then you think?

In any event what I believe Deborah was implying is that its time for you to be honest and accept respondsibility for your actions-namely refering to yourself in the third person or in the plural form.

Maybe she doesnt know asking you to own up to your comments and actions is like pulling teeth, you simply refuse to be held accountable, aparently you believe yourself to be above it.

[Troll Control]

(@ TheWho)  "...its time for you to be honest and accept respondsibility for your actions..."

 :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:

It will never happen.

[Function Junction]

My goodness!  I go out of town and come back to find a thread has been created in my honor!  Thanks guys.  I'm feeling the love.

It doesn't seem as though people have addressed my full post yet.  Let me reiterrate:

1.  CPS never found any evidence of abuse on campus at any time during the 13 years of existence.  CPS can go anywhere, talk to anyone, at any time.  They don't notify facilities ahead of time.  They simply show up, say they have allegations, & don't say the specifics of the allegations.  If HLA is that good at hiding kids from CPS, they need to work for the CIA.  They would have to predict the future, be able to hypnotize the investigators to get information, and immediately change everything on campus from the gulag most people on this site portray HLA to be to the best looking facility I've seen in some of the places I've gone around here.
I really don't see anyone at HLA contacting Miss Chloe for a reading, or any people who could qualify for special ops, so I'm not sure what evidence is there when I'm left to read posts from people like RB or DJ that historically distort the truth.  If RB, DF, Deborah, and the host of "guests" (probably them under a pseudonym) frequently distort the truth, you can't ever tell when they are being truthful.

2.  The petition for class action status is going to be thrown out.  Everyone here knows this.  It's better to accept it now than wait to find yourself rocking in a corner saying "there's no place like Fornits, there's no place like Fornits."  The ruling is public record.  Feel free to get a copy and look at page 15.  Take some smelling salts; you're going to need them.  Once again, this was a procedural not evidenciary hearing.  In other words, the court was simply ruling on what could be pursued in future suits, not whether he agreed with the charges or not.  That would come later when both sides actually need to produce evidence rather than "we think this, we think that, etc."  Page 15 gives you an idea of how he looks at the plaintiff's case.  Go to the courthouse and ask for a copy.  It's public record.

3.  I found out HLA was trying to avoid being licensed.  Thanks to RB or someone else who referenced Quirk and Quirk.  I'm puzzled as to why this is somehow evidence toward trying to subvert something.  The state granted an exemption every year since the opening, it's perfectly natural to challenge this.  I don't think anyone embraces when government shows up on your door.  The fact is, they'll probably be licensed soon which will actually bring in more business.

4.  Work assignments involve splitting wood for elderly individuals who don't have enough money to always pay for heating and cleaning around campus most of the time.  I'm not sure why and how having students do chores and actually allow them to witness the positive gratitude from the individuals receiving wood constitutes abuse.  I grew up in a family where we all had to do chores around the house.  Starvation isn't a part of restrictions, malnutrition isn't a part of restrictions.  Kids on restrictions actually experience short-term consequences and are given freedoms back within the week most of the time.  That's not the way the real world works.  Consequences for disrespect or defiance can get you thrown out of school and possibly in jail.  HLA kids can mess up and learn why rules are necessary for everyone.

5.  I've heard people claim HLA is filled with violent kids.  These are the best acting "violent" kids I've ever seen.  I've checked on the statistics with public and other private schools.  HLA has significantly less reports of intimidation and fights than the average public school.  Fortunately, fights occur everywhere in every setting, but can be stopped earlier at HLA since staff is right there.  The statistic that's higher on HLA's side in comparison is the level of defiance and disrespect.  That's why most were tossed out of their schools at home. It's interesting how these facts are ignored.  But then, it makes sense since RB, DF, & Deborah enjoy being bullies on this site.  I feel really sorry to see how miserable you allow yourselves to be.  I can see how you try to suppress truth not by intelligent arguments, but debasing yourselves to bullying tactics.

6.  I don't think any of you ever attended a graduation and heard stories from students who didn't think they'd get into college, but now were accepted; realizing they would be dead since friends dies in a DUI accident at home; parents tearfully thanking other parents and staff for "saving their family", "saving their child."  If everyone could see graduation and hear the speeches from the graduates, it would immediately silence all of the deceitful sewage that is put out by Robert Bruce, DJ, Deborah, Gargling Milk Death Penalty, and friends.

I'm sure I'll be called all sorts of names, but those are the facts.  I don't have an axe to grind, I'm just tired of the truth being completely distorted from what I saw.  I guess I should be calling myself a "troll" now Deborah?  Really intelligent comment.  It's pretty clear that the more irritable and angry the negative regulars get, the more truth they are having to face.  It's interesting to see how all of you quickly swarm around to defend each other when you're challenged.

I didn't know RB is supposedly being supported by his wife while he's "in a bathrobe."  Just a tip, you may not want that getting around on the World (stress on the world) Wide Web.

Good night ::tongkiss::
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[Troll Control]

wow, you're dumber than first meets the eye.  you created this thread, in your honor.  fortunately the time for honoring yourself will soon draw to a close...

[Anonymous]

Some come-back!!

After hearing that, I'll bet Function will never dare post here again.

 :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :lol:
 :cry2:

[Function Junction]

That's the only way to respond to my post?
Come on, you're proving my point.  Whenever facts are brought up and an alternative view is given, the only thing left to do is call someone names and focus on something that has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

I'll give an answer anyway and hope we can get back to the topic at hand.  
I'm not sure who started this thread, but it wasn't me.  I wouldn't have any problem claiming this.  I think someone split my post off of the thread I originally posted it to.  That's probably why the title is "split from court ruling thread."  I'm guessing the person was Deborah since she's the moderator.

You must be having a bad day.  That's okay.  I still think you're mighty special. :wave:
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[TheWho]

Yeah, It happens to me too.  Deleted posts that she doesnt agree with.

[Troll Control]

That's the only way to respond to my post?
Come on, you're proving my point.  Whenever facts are brought up and an alternative view is given, the only thing left to do is call someone names and focus on something that has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

I'll give an answer anyway and hope we can get back to the topic at hand.  
I'm not sure who started this thread, but it wasn't me.  I wouldn't have any problem claiming this.  I think someone split my post off of the thread I originally posted it to.  That's probably why the title is "split from court ruling thread."  I'm guessing the person was Deborah since she's the moderator.

You must be having a bad day.  That's okay.  I still think you're mighty special. :wave:

Yeah, it's okay.  I still think you're a dick anyway, too.

[RobertBruce]

It doesn't seem as though people have addressed my full post yet. Let me reiterrate:

Nor have you answered most of the questions asked of you. You may want to get on that Sybil.

1. CPS never found any evidence of abuse on campus at any time during the 13 years of existence. CPS can go anywhere, talk to anyone, at any time. They don't notify facilities ahead of time. They simply show up, say they have allegations, & don't say the specifics of the allegations. If HLA is that good at hiding kids from CPS, they need to work for the CIA. They would have to predict the future, be able to hypnotize the investigators to get information, and immediately change everything on campus from the gulag most people on this site portray HLA to be to the best looking facility I've seen in some of the places I've gone around here.
I really don't see anyone at HLA contacting Miss Chloe for a reading, or any people who could qualify for special ops, so I'm not sure what evidence is there when I'm left to read posts from people like Devin or Steve that historically distort the truth. If RB, DF, Deborah, and the host of "guests" (probably them under a pseudonym) frequently distort the truth, you can't ever tell when they are being truthful.

And the lapdogs have been forthright and honest?

Take a look.

http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.ph ... 09&start=0

As to CPS you were asked to provide links to the reports from CPS showing no kids were found to be abused and the results of any investigations. Any word on when youll be able to put those up?

2. The petition for class action status is going to be thrown out. Everyone here knows this. It's better to accept it now than wait to find yourself rocking in a corner saying "there's no place like Fornits, there's no place like Fornits." The ruling is public record. Feel free to get a copy and look at page 15. Take some smelling salts; you're going to need them. Once again, this was a procedural not evidenciary hearing. In other words, the court was simply ruling on what could be pursued in future suits, not whether he agreed with the charges or not. That would come later when both sides actually need to produce evidence rather than "we think this, we think that, etc." Page 15 gives you an idea of how he looks at the plaintiff's case. Go to the courthouse and ask for a copy. It's public record.

Good idea, here's page 15.

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specifically allege the existence of a valid contract with HLA. (Compl. ¶ 99).
Although plaintiffs claim that it is permissible to assert alternative and
inconsistent claims, they have incorporated by reference into their unjust
enrichment count paragraphs that allege the existence of a valid contract with
HLA. Thus, because neither side disputes the existence of a valid contract,
plaintiffs’ claim of unjust enrichment against HLA is improper and must be
denied. Am. Casual Dining, L.P. v. Moe’s Southwest Grill, L.L.C., 426 F. Supp.
2d 1356, 1372 (N.D. Ga. 2006); see also Snapping Shoals Electric Membership
Corp. v. RLI Ins. Corp., No. 1:05-CV-1714-GET, 2006 WL 1877078, * 9 (N.D.
Ga. July 5, 2006) (dismissing unjust enrichment claim where party did not dispute
the existence of the contract and despite the fact that breach of contract and unjust
enrichment were pled in separate counts).
There remains, however, the question of what to do with plaintiffs’ unjust
enrichment claim against the other defendants. Plaintiffs have made this question
more difficult to answer than it should be; their unjust enrichment allegations are
hardly a model of clarity. Faced with paragraphs in this count that “Defendants,”
but not any particular defendant, “have been unjustly enriched,” the court is
forced to sift through all 126 paragraphs of the complaint to determine whether
plaintiffs have set forth any facts to support their unjust enrichment claim against

Funny...I see a great deal of discussion related to "unjust enrichment" (let me know if you arent sure what that means), but not anything that mentions the judge plans to deny the class action status.

You also seem to be under the misguided impression that the denial of the class status means an end to HLA's legal troubles.
Sybil we both know that clearly isnt the case, so why pretend otherwise? Thats of course even assuming that the class action status will be denied, which you clearly dont know for certain given your above mistake.

3. I found out HLA was trying to avoid being licensed. Thanks to RB or someone else who referenced Quirk and Quirk. I'm puzzled as to why this is somehow evidence toward trying to subvert something. The state granted an exemption every year since the opening, it's perfectly natural to challenge this. I don't think anyone embraces when government shows up on your door. The fact is, they'll probably be licensed soon which will actually bring in more business.

And they sure could use it huh? What are those numbers at right now again?  50% below normal? Gosh I bet that really hurts the bottom line. I guess its a good thing we forced them to become licensed then. One thing we should clear up though is your claim that HLA filed for an exemption. They did in fact try to do this, they claimed that their primary purpose was on education, and thus they were elgible for exemption. But they advertised a little differently and eventually the contridictory comments caught up with them. At least with licensure they wont be allowed to do near as much of the fun stuff they used to get away with. Right Sybil?

4. Work assignments involve splitting wood for elderly individuals who don't have enough money to always pay for heating and cleaning around campus most of the time. I'm not sure why and how having students do chores and actually allow them to witness the positive gratitude from the individuals receiving wood constitutes abuse. I grew up in a family where we all had to do chores around the house. Starvation isn't a part of restrictions, malnutrition isn't a part of restrictions. Kids on restrictions actually experience short-term consequences and are given freedoms back within the week most of the time. That's not the way the real world works. Consequences for disrespect or defiance can get you thrown out of school and possibly in jail. HLA kids can mess up and learn why rules are necessary for everyone.

Just chopping wood huh? Well with this new license there wont be anymore of that. I guess those poor people will just have to freeze. Tell me something,

have kids  on restriction ever been made to move large rocks or railroad ties around for no reason?

What did the restriction diet consist of?

What was the longest any kid was ever on restriction?

Describe what the calistentics is like while on restrictions.

Are kids ever kept out in the elements for extended periods of time while on restriction?

Do the kids ever do work that personally benefits the staff at HLA?

Is withholding contact between the student and his/her family theraputic?

5. I've heard people claim HLA is filled with violent kids. These are the best acting "violent" kids I've ever seen. I've checked on the statistics with public and other private schools. HLA has significantly less reports of intimidation and fights than the average public school. Fortunately, fights occur everywhere in every setting, but can be stopped earlier at HLA since staff is right there. The statistic that's higher on HLA's side in comparison is the level of defiance and disrespect. That's why most were tossed out of their schools at home. It's interesting how these facts are ignored. But then, it makes sense since RB, DF, & Deborah enjoy being bullies on this site. I feel really sorry to see how miserable you allow yourselves to be. I can see how you try to suppress truth not by intelligent arguments, but debasing yourselves to bullying tactics.

Right. Any chance you can cite your sources on these claims? Also you mentioned that fights are less likely to occur because staff is readily availible. Didnt the school recently fire all of its night security?

6. I don't think any of you ever attended a graduation and heard stories from students who didn't think they'd get into college, but now were accepted; realizing they would be dead since friends dies in a DUI accident at home; parents tearfully thanking other parents and staff for "saving their family", "saving their child." If everyone could see graduation and hear the speeches from the graduates, it would immediately silence all of the deceitful sewage that is put out by Robert Bruce, Steve, Deborah, Gargling Milk Death Penalty, and friends.

Well I actually attended several graduations. I wittnessed many students celebrating finally being free of the perpetual bondange. I saw more than one goodbye speech in which students told parents and staff that they were hated and death was wished upon them.I on more than one occasion heard parents mutter "this is what we paid for?".  I even saw a kid spit in his counselors face as he was climbing into his car. I also talk to many many more escapes then you do and Ive never heard a single one state that without HLA theyd be dead or in jail. Not once. So having read your propoganda and seen the reality I think Ill stick with my sewage. It's the more honest of the two.

I'm sure I'll be called all sorts of names, but those are the facts. I don't have an axe to grind, I'm just tired of the truth being completely distorted from what I saw. I guess I should be calling myself a "troll" now Deborah? Really intelligent comment. It's pretty clear that the more irritable and angry the negative regulars get, the more truth they are having to face. It's interesting to see how all of you quickly swarm around to defend each other when you're challenged.

I see no reason to call you names, Sybil is I thought appropriate given your multiple personalities. I thought it interesting that you mentioned us becoming angry at the "truth we are having to face." What truth? Youve neither proven nor backed up a single one of your claims, you have yet to even establish your connection to the school. Perhaps you should consider that.

I didn't know RB is supposedly being supported by his wife while he's "in a bathrobe." Just a tip RB, you may not want that getting around on the World (stress on the world) Wide Web.

I didnt say it was true, it was just something the other puppets  from HLA used to claim for some reason. Ask them about it the next time you see them, Im sure theyll be glad to clear it up for you.

[Function Junction]

Hi, Robert-the-Bruce, it's Sybil. Name calling again huh? Come on, you continue to prove my point that when the heat is on, you and your buddies can't help but start calling people names you hope will get under their skin. I'll accept this as a compliment. Thanks!

Thanks for the drama! It really made my day much more entertaining. Passive voice sounds so much more dramatic. Threading big words out of the thesaurus in run-on sentences causes me to quake to the bone. Add your bath robe and you're ready to act out a scene from Lord of the Rings. Hazaaa! Excelsior!!

I'm unclear on the link to your lapdog comment. The link was to a page of your posts. I don't understand how quoting yourself adds more credibility. Quantity doesn't mean credibility. I have said several times you spin things with half-truths. I've got to hand it to you. You fool a lot of people into thinking you're actually advocating for others. In reality, you're just advocating for yourself. If pro-HLA people misrepresented themselves on the site, I don't support this. I can understand it since they don't want to be bullied, but I don't support it.

Please re-read pg.15 of the court's decision more closely. Much more closely. Just referencing the number of times "unjust enrichment" is stated doesn't mean the statement is true. Once again, quantity doesn't mean credibility. In fact, he's denying the unjust enrichment claim the plaintiff's argued. He is also very critical of the plaintiff's tactics. They apparently also believe quantity gives credibility since they "forced [the court] to sift through all 126 paragraphs of the complaint to determine whether plaintiffs have set forth any facts to support their unjust enrichment claim against..." You didn't post the latter portion of that section either. Once again using half-truths. He went on to say the plaintiff's can argue this, but they will have a very difficult time proving this in court. Thanks for posting it so others can see what I mean. He is denying the unjust enrichment claim the plaintiff's argued. You know very well the class-action status is going to be denied and you'll only be left with conspiracy theories of how HLA paid off a federal judge or manipulated his mind with "Peer Group Power!" And that which is then shall forever be!!! Ummm...Sorry, I was channeling your mind for a brief second. The dramatics ARE kind of fun.

Anyway, I'm not sure on the numbers, but I'm sure they're lower. Once again, you're assuming this is a sign of wrong-doing. Come on, it's unfortunately the reality that the belief of "innocent until proven guilty" is only found in the courtroom. In the real world, people operate off of "guilty until proven innocent." I'm really not that concerned. As soon as the judge denies the class-action status, business will definitely pick up.

On applying for exemption, I don't think there is anyone out there that embraces government coming to your door. I hate paying taxes. ABSOLUTELY HATE IT!! However, I do it, but I also make sure I'm not giving them more than they're asking. If you didn't have to pay taxes for 13 years due to filing under "tax exempt" and then the IRS decides you make too much money and now have to pay taxes, you're going to try and find a legal way to avoid having to pay these taxes. It doesn't mean you're guilty of tax evasion. The government determined HLA qualified for exemption for 13 years. They asked all the same questions, did the same investigation, and still determined HLA qualified for exemption.

As far as restrictions, that's going to be a pointless road of a topic to go down. It'll just turn into a "yes they did - no they di'in't" (head swivel while wagging a finger) situation. You obviously believe abuse happened on restriction. I don't. That's not just something I believe, that's what the government (CPS) believes or they would have found evidence of this. My friend at DHR told me chopping wood is completely allowed. Feel free to call them about this if you doubt it. I chopped wood when I was young as well. 13 years without a finding of abuse. Oh wait! That's right. HLA bought off CPS, or better yet, HLA has supernatural or clandestine powers and abilities to foil the investigators. If you know of a positive finding of abuse by CPS, I'll await your reference to that report. We'll see how long that takes. I'll be sure to keep track of the days (today is day one), so you better start cracking!

"I saw more than one goodbye speech in which students told parents and staff that they were hated and death was wished upon them".

Okay, so you probably saw two rather than one. I have no doubt you probably saw some of these things. However, you state it in a way to give the impression this is the norm. You know very well it isn't. Most of the kids choose to get better, some don't. That doesn't mean HLA is a bad place. It simply means they chose to use the tools HLA offered to benefit their lives. You would have seen this if you would have graduated. If you saw the student that spit in the face of their counselor as a negative, why do you spit on people verbally on this website? What counselor was that by the way? I'd like to look them up and call them to find out if it's true or just another dramatic statement.
I saw some kids that had a very half-hearted graduation speech, but overwhelming majority of them and their parents talked about how they found hope when they thought it was gone. Kids that didn't think they would get into college were accepted. I remember what it's like to get an acceptance letter. You feel like your on cloud 9. Didn't you feel the same way when a college sent you an acceptance letter? It's still great to hear someone say they would have died if they hadn't gone to HLA.

Make sure you give your wife a big hug and foot rub. Supporting a husband is a tough job. Let's see. Where is that witty emoticon? Oh here it is.  I really prefer this one though courtesy of Deborah  

Good night! I've got to get sleep so I can go to my job. Peace!
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[Anonymous]

Thank you "Function J."  That is, by far,  the most accurate, well-stated, and grammatically correct (unfortunately, here, that is not saying a lot) statement regarding the reality of HLA that I have read on this site.  This is my first and last time visiting this electronic swamp of post-adolescent, misplaced frustrations.  "Function", I would sincerely suggest to you that there is no further need to waste your valuable time with these poor, misguided malcontents.  Leave them to their foolishness and bitter delusions.

[RobertBruce]

Hi, Robert-the-Bruce, it's Sybil. Name calling again huh? Come on, you continue to prove my point that when the heat is on, you and your buddies can't help but start calling people names you hope will get under their skin. I'll accept this as a compliment. Thanks!

Not at all, I thought I'd made this clear and apologize for any confusion. I call you Sybil because youve posted under so many user names here it appears as if you suffer from MPD. That being the case I thought Sybil would be apropo. Unless of course youve not read the book? I believe there's a movie version of it as well with Sally Field. I considered using Tyler Durden, but Sybil seemed more fitting.

Thanks for the drama! It really made my day much more entertaining. Passive voice sounds so much more dramatic. Threading big words out of the thesaurus in run-on sentences causes me to quake to the bone. Add your bath robe and you're ready to act out a scene from Lord of the Rings. Hazaaa! Excelsior!!

So you talked with your co workers and verified the bathrobe thing then? Super. It amazes me that even with all the financial woes hla is suffering from they can still devote so much resources to spying on people apparently unrelated to this issue and making threatening phone calls in the middle of the night.

I'm unclear on the link to your lapdog comment. The link was to a page of your posts. I don't understand how quoting yourself adds more credibility. Quantity doesn't mean credibility. I have said several times you spin things with half-truths. I've got to hand it to you. You fool a lot of people into thinking you're actually advocating for others. In reality, you're just advocating for yourself. If pro-HLA people misrepresented themselves on the site, I don't support this. I can understand it since they don't want to be bullied, but I don't support it.

Oh no Sybil you misunderstood. See those arent posts of me quoting myself, its me quoting hla staff members. People who were posting from the hla server either trying to abuse other posters or fishing for information. On occasion they pretended to be students in order to try and earn our trust. Dont take my word for it though, ask your coworkers.

Please re-read pg.15 of the court's decision more closely. Much more closely. Just referencing the number of times "unjust enrichment" is stated doesn't mean the statement is true. Once again, quantity doesn't mean credibility. In fact, he's denying the unjust enrichment claim the plaintiff's argued. He is also very critical of the plaintiff's tactics. They apparently also believe quantity gives credibility since they "forced [the court] to sift through all 126 paragraphs of the complaint to determine whether plaintiffs have set forth any facts to support their unjust enrichment claim against..." You didn't post the latter portion of that section either. Once again using half-truths. He went on to say the plaintiff's can argue this, but they will have a very difficult time proving this in court. Thanks for posting it so others can see what I mean. He is denying the unjust enrichment claim the plaintiff's argued.

So youre basing your belife that the class status will be dismissed soley on the few paragraphs on page 15? Gotta clutch at any straw availible huh?

You know very well the class-action status is going to be denied and you'll only be left with conspiracy theories of how HLA paid off a federal judge or manipulated his mind with "Peer Group Power!" And that which is then shall forever be!!! Ummm...Sorry, I was channeling your mind for a brief second. The dramatics ARE kind of fun.

Neither one of us knows how the judge is going to rule. What we do know is that if he does deny the class status then the only real consequence will be you all spending alot more time in the court room. That and writting alot of letters begging these parents to settle. I'll leave the conspiracy theories to your boss, he seems to enjoy finding enemies everywhere.

Anyway, I'm not sure on the numbers, but I'm sure they're lower. Once again, you're assuming this is a sign of wrong-doing.

Well its certainlly not a sign of right-doing now is it? Perhaps its time you all accepted some respondsibility and stopped trying to blame all your problems on others, namely us.

Come on, it's unfortunately the reality that the belief of "innocent until proven guilty" is only found in the courtroom. In the real world, people operate off of "guilty until proven innocent." I'm really not that concerned. As soon as the judge denies the class-action status, business will definitely pick up.

Definitely? Well consider that Nicole's faux paus is still floating around out there, the school's reputation has been destroyed, the plantiffs arent going away no matter what, and the school is broke and cant get any new loans. Things have looked better Sybil.

On applying for exemption, I don't think there is anyone out there that embraces government coming to your door. I hate paying taxes. ABSOLUTELY HATE IT!! However, I do it, but I also make sure I'm not giving them more than they're asking. If you didn't have to pay taxes for 13 years due to filing under "tax exempt" and then the IRS decides you make too much money and now have to pay taxes, you're going to try and find a legal way to avoid having to pay these taxes. It doesn't mean you're guilty of tax evasion. The government determined HLA qualified for exemption for 13 years. They asked all the same questions, did the same investigation, and still determined HLA qualified for exemption.

Then what changed? HLA claimed for 13 years their primary purpose was on education, and not therapy. They advertised quite differently. If youre stating that ORS did the same investigation every year (they didnt) then what suddenly changed? I mean how does a school go from after 13 years of claiming to the state that they are a bona fide boarding school where the primary purpose was on education, and no service planning or casework services being provided, to suddenly something else entirely? What changed?

As far as restrictions, that's going to be a pointless road of a topic to go down. It'll just turn into a "yes they did - no they di'in't" (head swivel while wagging a finger) situation. You obviously believe abuse happened on restriction. I don't.

Yeah...the thing is I was on restrictions, I was abused. You weren't. Therefore my testimony bears more weight than yours. Sorry.  :-?

That's not just something I believe, that's what the government (CPS) believes or they would have found evidence of this.

Then prove it, provide the reports showing that. As much as you mention them youre apparently intimately familiar with the things. So show them.

My friend at DHR told me chopping wood is completely allowed. Feel free to call them about this if you doubt it.

I have, and it isnt. At least it wont be when that new licenses kicks in.

I chopped wood when I was young as well. 13 years without a finding of abuse. Oh wait! That's right. HLA bought off CPS, or better yet, HLA has supernatural or clandestine powers and abilities to foil the investigators. If you know of a positive finding of abuse by CPS, I'll await your reference to that report. We'll see how long that takes. I'll be sure to keep track of the days (today is day one), so you better start cracking!

Well it looks like you have more in common with Who then we thought. Do a little quick back reading and see if you can find out how many times I claimed CPS had gone into HLA and found kids being abused, or even not being abused. Or better yet I'll save you some time. I've never mentioned it . In fact the only time I know of that there was any sort of on campus investigation by a CPS type department was when DEFACS came in some months back. Even with that I have no clue what the outcome of the investigation was, nor what the original complaint was about. You on the other hand have claimed multiple times now that CPS has come in on more than one occasion and never found a single case of kids being abused. I'm eager to see if you can back that up. I had no idea that CPS had been called in so many times. This should raise some red flags and I look forward to you providing those reports you seem to know so much about. We'll see how long that takes. I'll be sure to keep track of the days (today is day one), so you better start cracking!

Okay, so you probably saw two rather than one.

Several more but that's okay. The number itself is inconsequential.

I have no doubt you probably saw some of these things. However, you state it in a way to give the impression this is the norm.

It was in the graduations I attended.

You know very well it isn't.

So says you.

Most of the kids choose to get better, some don't.

Then why isnt there any sort of independent evidence proving this claim. Come on you guys have had 13 years. What's the hold up? Tell me something else to; What about the kids that didnt have anything wrong with them to begin with?

That doesn't mean HLA is a bad place. It simply means they chose to use the tools HLA offered to benefit their lives.

Which tools? The axes we used to chop wood for the staff, or the tooth brushes we used to clean the dumpsters?

You would have seen this if you would have graduated.

My life is a great deal better for having not stayed in that shit pit a minute longer than I had to. I am by no means alone in this thought either.

If you saw the student that spit in the face of their counselor as a negative, why do you spit on people verbally on this website?

Who said I saw it as a negative?

What counselor was that by the way? I'd like to look them up and call them to find out if it's true or just another dramatic statement

It's true. I'll tell you the persons name just as soon as you can provide the reports from CPS. Quid pro quo and all, hurry up the clock is ticking.

I saw some kids that had a very half-hearted graduation speech, but overwhelming majority of them and their parents talked about how they found hope when they thought it was gone. Kids that didn't think they would get into college were accepted. I remember what it's like to get an acceptance letter. You feel like your on cloud 9. Didn't you feel the same way when a college sent you an acceptance letter? It's still great to hear someone say they would have died if they hadn't gone to HLA.

I'm sure its not as many as hear from you all "Without HLA youll soon be dead or in jail." Of course most of us who broke out early are neither dead nor in jail so it really is great to reflect back on that and laugh at our counselors stupidity.

Make sure you give your wife a big hug and foot rub. Supporting a husband is a tough job. Let's see. Where is that witty emoticon? Oh here it is.  I really prefer this one though courtesy of Deborah

My wife and I actually both work, but I'll give her a big hug anyway, just to show her I care.  :wink: