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Offline Function Junction

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« on: April 05, 2007, 12:09:12 AM »
Has anyone taken the time to actually read the court documents?  The recent one was highly critical of the plaintiff's.  See page 15 for an example.  The truth is, all of you know class action status won't be granted.  Any further action will need to be by way of individual suits.  I hope they focus on issues of abuse because the plaintiff's will clearly lose.
Once again, when CPS or DEFACS went out to HLA since the school began, they haven't been able to find any signs of abuse.  None!  On another board I made a mistake and said how DEFACS wasn't able to "cherry pick" the people they talk to.  I meant to say HLA is not able to "cherry pick" kids for DEFACS to interview.

Let's be honest, on one hand people have said in the past that DEFACS knew all about abuse at HLA, but on the other they say HLA is somehow able to hide kids away.  DEFACS has the ability to go anywhere on campus and interview any kid they want, especially the kid making an allegation.  So are people actually saying HLA is powerful enough to hide kids from DEFACS over the 13 years of the school's existence?  The truth that everyone tries to avoid is abuse hasn't ever been found on the HLA campus.  When I was there, there was a lot of abuse toward staff from students, but there wasn't a sign of abuse from staff to students.

Some are saying writing assignments and work assignments are abuse.  Is cutting up firewood to deliver to elderly people who can't afford a heating bill abuse?  The kids on restriction actually deliver it to the homes of these people and come away with a more positive perspective.  Is cleaning the grounds of campus abuse?  Then every parent must be abusing their child when they ask them to help clean up the home.  Are therapeutic writing assignments abuse?  Kids on restriction often need to refocus.  This helps them do it.

I remember going back to attend a graduation, I heard nearly every kid talk about the changes they saw in themselves over the time they were at HLA.  Two said they knew they would be dead because they had friends die while they were at HLA.  Kids received their high school diplomas and went on to college, something many of the kids said was something they never thought they'd achieve.

I don't mind criticism.  I know HLA isn't perfect.  No facility is.  But it wasn't abusive.  Kids weren't "locked up".  They are actually sent to where ever they need to go by themselves without a staff member escorting them.  Has anyone checked on the level of violence in public schools?  Please do.  I did.  Public schools are actually the places that have the most fights and other things people accuse HLA of endorsing.

Let me also clear up something that I read a while back.  Someone said HLA was able to avoid being licensed.  Treatment centers, boarding schools, etc can't avoid being licensed.  I found out that ORS actually granted an "exemption" from being licensed since it was seen as more of a boarding school.  That's far different that the picture of HLA somehow avoiding the state.  My friend at DHR said HLA is now being licensed because it is now seen as more similar to a therapeutic program than pure boarding school.  She said HLA should be licensed within the next month.
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« Reply #1 on: April 05, 2007, 12:24:04 AM »
You're woefully ignorant. If others would like to educate you, they can do so in this thread.
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« Reply #2 on: April 05, 2007, 02:49:09 AM »
and where can i acsess these documents?


and yes...agreed...oh so ignorant. i dont have the time to educate you. hopefully you'll be put in your place when society wakes up and outlaws all of hitlers latest achievements.
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« Reply #3 on: April 05, 2007, 09:37:15 AM »
Do Len and Spooner have trouble paying their heating bill?

Also can you detail what consisted of a typical work assingment?

How about what the menu was like while on restriction?

What was the menu like while on an intervention?

Can you link to the CPS reports that show no abuse was found?

Does HLA ever hide kids away for visitors?

What if the plantiffs focus on claims other than abuse?

Did HLA choose to file for licensure on their own or was it forced on them?
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« Reply #4 on: April 05, 2007, 09:55:17 AM »
I never really had a problem with certain kids being "hidden" away from visitors.  Those were the kids who were most likely to be disrespectful to the guests.  Why subject one of your guests to someone who is going to be disrespectful?
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« Reply #5 on: April 05, 2007, 10:02:17 AM »
If they havent broken any rules there is no need for them to be hide away. Kids arent dogs to be shut in the laundry room when company arrives. Besides those kids are paying to be at HLA, the guest are not.
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« Reply #6 on: April 05, 2007, 10:28:14 AM »
That's a bit dramatic.  If they were on restriction, then they had broken the rules and were doing restriction stuff such as work assignments or writting assignments.  If they were not on restriction and being "hidden" away, they were typically on the fields playing some sort of ball game or at the lake fishing, or just haning out with each other.
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« Reply #7 on: April 05, 2007, 10:38:50 AM »
"Kids on restriction often need to refocus. This helps them do it. "


oh yeah, the many weekends i served for failing algebra trig really helped to me to attain a sense of logical thinking and a broader palette of understanding for the course. i just wish i had more time in the fields goose shit and chiggers to complete my work. you must be 'shroomming.
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« Reply #8 on: April 05, 2007, 10:42:01 AM »
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That's a bit dramatic.  If they were on restriction, then they had broken the rules and were doing restriction stuff such as work assignments or writting assignments.  If they were not on restriction and being "hidden" away, they were typically on the fields playing some sort of ball game or at the lake fishing, or just haning out with each other.



ummmm, i clearly remember ther being a time when we were hidden, back behind the lake, where the rci ropes course is. there was some kind of outsider event going on
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« Reply #9 on: April 05, 2007, 11:07:01 AM »
FJ or DennisL (as you've called yourself) states:
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Let me also clear up something that I read a while back. Someone said HLA was able to avoid being licensed. Treatment centers, boarding schools, etc can't avoid being licensed. I found out that ORS actually granted an "exemption" from being licensed since it was seen as more of a boarding school. That's far different that the picture of HLA somehow avoiding the state. My friend at DHR said HLA is now being licensed because it is now seen as more similar to a therapeutic program than pure boarding school. She said HLA should be licensed within the next month.


Wrong, wrong, wrong. HLA FOUGHT against being licensed by ORS. Since you have access to documents, take a look at the letters Q&Q sent to ORS stating why the should have an "exemption".  We have copies of those letters and there are flat out lies regarding why HLA shouldn't be licensed by ORS. You clearly want to distort the truth - a typical HLA move.
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« Reply #10 on: April 05, 2007, 11:09:54 AM »
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That's a bit dramatic.  If they were on restriction, then they had broken the rules and were doing restriction stuff such as work assignments or writting assignments.  If they were not on restriction and being "hidden" away, they were typically on the fields playing some sort of ball game or at the lake fishing, or just haning out with each other.


ummmm, i clearly remember ther being a time when we were hidden, back behind the lake, where the rci ropes course is. there was some kind of outsider event going on


That's when the Ed Cons were brought in and paraded around the campus. Staff hid the students who were on Restrictions at HLA or at the Chalet.
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« Reply #11 on: April 05, 2007, 12:00:32 PM »
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That's when the Ed Cons were brought in and paraded around the campus. Staff hid the students who were on Restrictions at HLA or at the Chalet.


This is very fundamental.  Whenever you have people coming thru your company who can be responsible for bringing you more business you are going to do the best you can to make their visit pleasurable.  This means putting your best foot forward and if there are a couple of kids who would be disrespectful or intentionally disrupt the visit, they should be sent on a fishing trip for a few hours.  The Edcons are aware there are kids with behavior issues, and on restriction etc its there business.  But it isn’t something a school or organization would want to expose them to during their visit.  This isn’t something that just schools do, it applies to anyone who owns a business.
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« Reply #12 on: April 05, 2007, 12:38:42 PM »
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If they were on restriction, then they had broken the rules

Not nessecarily. I had a kid in my pg placed restriction simply because we were close to graduating and he had never been on one before.

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If they were not on restriction and being "hidden" away, they were typically on the fields playing some sort of ball game or at the lake fishing, or just haning out with each other.

Not the groups I was in. The times I was hidden away with the other problem children we were put to work.

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Wrong, wrong, wrong. HLA FOUGHT against being licensed by ORS. Since you have access to documents, take a look at the letters Q&Q sent to ORS stating why the should have an "exemption". We have copies of those letters and there are flat out lies regarding why HLA shouldn't be licensed by ORS. You clearly want to distort the truth - a typical HLA move.

Yes Sybil, please enlighten us as to why they claimed to the state they were a traditional boarding school where the primary purpose was on education, yet advertised as a theraputic boarding school where the primary purpose was on therapy? Why did they do this for 12 years and why did it take us forcing the issue in order for them to become properly licensed?

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intentionally disrupt the visit, they should be sent on a fishing trip for a few hours.


Once again you highlight your ignorance Cindy. I was hidden away many times, I assure you there were no fishing trips.

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This isn’t something that just schools do, it applies to anyone who owns a business.


Is that why you hide away your illegals so often?
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« Reply #13 on: April 05, 2007, 12:55:04 PM »
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That's when the Ed Cons were brought in and paraded around the campus. Staff hid the students who were on Restrictions at HLA or at the Chalet.

This is very fundamental.  Whenever you have people coming thru your company who can be responsible for bringing you more business you are going to do the best you can to make their visit pleasurable.  This means putting your best foot forward and if there are a couple of kids who would be disrespectful or intentionally disrupt the visit, they should be sent on a fishing trip for a few hours.  The Edcons are aware there are kids with behavior issues, and on restriction etc its there business.  But it isn’t something a school or organization would want to expose them to during their visit.  This isn’t something that just schools do, it applies to anyone who owns a business.


This is called "false advertising."  HLA states very directly that they don't take disturbed kids, but hey certainly do - and a lot of them.  They just remove the severely disturbed ones so they can make a sale based on false premises.  Not so complicated at all.
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« Reply #14 on: April 05, 2007, 12:59:24 PM »
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That's when the Ed Cons were brought in and paraded around the campus. Staff hid the students who were on Restrictions at HLA or at the Chalet.

This is very fundamental.  Whenever you have people coming thru your company who can be responsible for bringing you more business you are going to do the best you can to make their visit pleasurable.  This means putting your best foot forward and if there are a couple of kids who would be disrespectful or intentionally disrupt the visit, they should be sent on a fishing trip for a few hours.  The Edcons are aware there are kids with behavior issues, and on restriction etc its there business.  But it isn’t something a school or organization would want to expose them to during their visit.  This isn’t something that just schools do, it applies to anyone who owns a business.


Does "putting your best foot forward" include putting up holiday decorations the day AFTER the holiday just to impress the Ed Cons? Or making the students plant flowers and scrub floors just to spruce up the place just for the Ed Cons?

They would also hide the kids who were on restrictions were prospective parents toured the campus as well. What does that tell you?
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