Why Fornits is Superior in all ways to Antiwwasp.

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CCMGirl.

The reason you are getting such a harsh reception here, besides the proclivities of the anonymous army is that you appear to have totally disregarded the massive body of information on these very forums that says in short TBS/BMS/Boot camps/LGAT's are a really really bad idea. The state of the science is such that the very best experts in the fields of psychology, education, justice and criminology and sociology have all rolled up and said "This is a really really bad idea"

What's more even if it was a good idea, even if it worked (which is categorically doesnt) this kind of incarceration without due process, the process of thought reform and the very moral fabric of the profession is totally contrary to the tradition of individualism and liberty that America exists to protect and foster. Are you saying that only adults deserve these things because I'll tell you the Supreme court of the united States disagrees with you and I quote..

"constitutional rights do not mature and come into being magically only when one attains the state-defined age of majority" SCOTUS in Missouri Vs Danforth 1976

Right on, Aardvark -- good post!

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TSW you ought to be ashamed of yourself... I mean, think of the kids, man.

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You are one disturbed individual.  :rofl:

[Anonymous]

You are one disturbed individual.  :rofl:

Shut up!

[teachback]

You are one disturbed individual.  :rofl:

Shut up!

I was kidding, you impertinent son of a bitch!  :rofl:

[Anne Bonney]

How 'bout it CCMG?  You ready to give us your thoughts on this yet?

I just wanted to be in the middle somewhere here. I think that there are times when teens need to get help. I believe  that there are safe places that make a possitive difference in kids lives. I don't believe that all TBS's, are all bad, evil, or abusive. But, no!!!!!!! I had to be 100% on board with you guys saying that any kind of treatment especially when forced on teenagers is wrong, and cruel!

Well, I don't feel that way. So, whatever! But, that doesn't mean I am a programmie?!! That doesn't mean I need to set down the fricken kool-aid!!!! Geez, what's next? If your 5 year old doesn't want to go to public school to start kindergarten, oh fuck it, let them just stay home! God forbid we force anything on anybody LOL!!!!

Think ya might get around to giving us your thoughts on the NIH and NMHA statements about boot camps?

http://consensus.nih.gov/2004/2004Youth ... 23html.htm

http://www1.nmha.org/children/justjuv/bootcamp.cfm


After all, you asked what my problem was with the boot camp Anti WWASP is recommending.  I answered.  I'd like you to do the same now.

Magnolia Christian Center's Respect and Discipline Camp offered for 30 to 60 day interventions:

http://http://magnoliachristiancenter.net/Respect.htm

Kevin.. how can you possibly suggest this place to anyone?

      Holy shit!


Tell us again CCMgirl how different you guys are. :roll:  :roll:

Yeah, so? It's designed to get a teens immediate attention. 30-60 days of having to be there? BFD!!!!!! You guys always find fault with something when it comes to treatment. Sometimes teens do need a wake up call! Hello?? What is your objection A.B.?

[Anne Bonney]

About as much truth as Robert is expecting out of Who.

[Anonymous]

I think Roy Bean might be playing young Kev. Does he work for the program on the teenhelp.us approved list?
Bring in referrals for himself maybe?
$$$

 :-?

[Anonymous]

http://www.teenshelp.us/support/

Looks like teenshelp has a 1-800 number now or did they always have one?

Not sure what this is all leading to but it looks to me like someone is in way over their head.  

Hope the other WWASPS survivors have some common sense and dare I say, ethics, because there are many other forums and groups they can participate in that are not connected in ANY way with the program referral biz.

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[Troll Control]

I'm late to the thread, but I think I get the general idea.

Are you guys saying that antiwwasp and CCM Girl are now referring kids to programs for money???  Or is this the "slippery slope" of "this program's not bad..." etc.?

Either way, CCM Girl, I'm astonished.  I don't know Kevin, but if he is promoting programs, he needs to find something better to do with his time.  That's pathetic.

[Anonymous]

Does that 1-800 number go to Kev? Who answers the phone at that number to give advice to parents? Ms. Cleo perhaps?

[Anonymous]

et tu Kevin?

Tsk, Tsk.

Selling programs may sound like a noble profession to you, but I think you will find you are in the vast minority on that opinion.

What shocks me is none of these WWASPS survivors (except one, a very wise young man) has the balls to walk away from this b.s.?

Damn, how many more times must the anti-wwasps movement be hijacked before people wake up and realize they "done been had"?

Revolution, my ass.

This is more like an 'effin nightmare.  History repeating itself.  

Sad day in America when survivors start servin' the koolaid.

Thoughts?

[Nihilanthic]

Very apt, astute, salient even.

[try another castle]

Sad day in America when survivors start servin' the koolaid.

That's by design. Get us stupid enough to think we can have our own fucking crusade against abuse, by doing the same old shit. It's only one step away from saying "You know what? I'm going to form my own school, and make it so that it's nothing like the one I went to."

The ones who say they are trying to "fix" the system can be just as bad as the ones who say there is nothing wrong with it at all.

[Anonymous]

And Kev-O has the "administrator" at Magnolia Christian Center helping him set the standards?  OH-BOY...this outta be good!
Remember: Magnolia is paying Kev-O to send kids to this Mississippi boot camp. This place is being run by former WWASP employee(s)...And this place wants to have parents referred to them by a WWASP survivor.
WHOA, this just stinks!