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« Reply #90 on: February 02, 2007, 01:10:18 AM »
Ill send you my teen and you can give them a wake up call, okay???
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« Reply #91 on: February 02, 2007, 01:17:32 AM »
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Ill send you my teen and you can give them a wake up call, okay???

Yes, CCM Girl can cram one down their throats... :lol:
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« Reply #92 on: February 02, 2007, 01:17:33 AM »
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TSW you called me out but I won't continue to "battle" you here. If it's going to be done it will be on my terms in my forum in the new subforum you seem to know so much about.

All concerned parties are encouraged to debate with me and the antiwwasp members freely and openly. Vulgarity and harrassment will not be tolerated like here and fornits and users posting should direct their posts towards topics which discuss change and provide constructive criticism or helpful feedback on what people should be doing to change the industry.

Your terms, your forum.   :roll: How is it that others are capable of ignoring the personal attacks and just ask and answer questions and you can't?  I haven't slammed you, I'm not anonymous and I'm not the only one.  "The Boys" can get a bit much sometimes, they piss me off on a regular basis, but somehow we all seem to be able to coexist without groundrules and censorship.

CCMG will respond to posts all around mine that are personal attacks on her and go tit for tat with them, but she'll flat ignore my questions on her thoughts about those studies on bootcamps.   Boo hoo guys.  Discuss or don't, but quit being such babies about it.


And as crass :P  as they can be at times, at least with the guys they actually RESPOND to your questions and have FACTS to back up what they say.  Ya gotta give 'em that.
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« Reply #93 on: February 02, 2007, 01:17:45 AM »
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So you are going to refer kids for money then?

No, so don't worry you'll still get yours!

Why not? If its a noble cause and helping kids and all that, why arent you doing it?

 :question:  :question:


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« Reply #94 on: February 02, 2007, 01:19:21 AM »
Kevin: don't you think you should have revealed that this EMPLOYEE of the school you are planning to refer to, MAGNOLIA who is registered and posting on Anti-WWASP is actually a former WWASP employee, too.
That does give some insight, you know?

What WWASP program did this Judge Roybean work for?
What was his position at the WWASP facility?
How long did he work there, and when?

Come on, Kev.
You are planning on "selling kids" to some bootcamp joint in Mississippi being run by a former WWASP person?

Judge Roybean posted on Anti-WWASP on December 31, 2006 and on January 27, 2007 talking about his former work at WWASP.
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« Reply #95 on: February 02, 2007, 04:28:47 AM »
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I'm not attacking you.

I'm asking how you are justifying the nonconsentual abduction, confinement, and abuse/forced quack treatment of children.

If you think that is an attack, then I want you to grow the hell up and realize I can attack what you say, your opinions, but not yourself.

I also find it supremely ironic that you would give us that whine-line considering how it is for a child in a program  :roll: which you should know all too well.

I justify it because teens don't know everything. That's why. I don't think it's an attack, just a lame ass argument.


So it is okay to nonconsensually abduct, hold captive (and incommunicado) a teenager, LGAT/brainwash/torment them for 30-60 days to several months to over a year, just as long as its not WWASPS, because "teens don't know everything".

So, because they don't know everything, non-consented to ineffective QUACK treatment can be forced on them?

WOW.

Give it up to CCM for making the fastest 180* from program-survivor to programmie ever.
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« Reply #96 on: February 02, 2007, 07:00:34 AM »
I just wanted to be in the middle somewhere here. I think that there are times when teens need to get help. I believe  that there are safe places that make a possitive difference in kids lives. I don't believe that all TBS's, are all bad, evil, or abusive. But, no!!!!!!! I had to be 100% on board with you guys saying that any kind of treatment especially when forced on teenagers is wrong, and cruel!

Well, I don't feel that way. So, whatever! But, that doesn't mean I am a programmie?!! That doesn't mean I need to set down the fricken kool-aid!!!! Geez, what's next? If your 5 year old doesn't want to go to public school to start kindergarten, oh fuck it, let them just stay home! God forbid we force anything on anybody LOL!!!!
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f you were never in a program, or a parent of a child in a program, then you have no business posting here.

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« Reply #97 on: February 02, 2007, 07:52:13 AM »
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« Reply #98 on: February 02, 2007, 08:26:31 AM »
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These types of places simply have to low of a success rate and to high of a cost per diem rate to be justified. Setting aside the numbers I just don't find it in me to subject a person to that sort of treatment.


OK, let me chime in here.

Bootcamps are bad.  No need to discuss or "pull data" like The Who, as it's all been done scientifically already.  It's an axiomatic premise at this point.

That being said, I was a victim of the very first year class of "bootcampers" in New York.  This was billed as a way to "rehabilitate" and to keep people "out of the prison system" even though the reality was that the bootcamps were actually part of the prison system.

Let me tell you from first hand experience.  Abuse is rampant.  Neglect is omnipresent.  I and my platoon mates suffered incredible mental and physical abuse (beatings, forced stress positions, forced labor to exhaustion - 16 hour days fo hard labor every single day - etc, etc) all condoned by and implemeted by the state for our "own good."

Well, what's happened since then?  Over 80% of people who finished bootcamp recidivated immediately (less that 6 months back in the streets), several of my platoon mates took their own lives and, of the 42 people I went in with I and only one other guy managed to avoid death or lengthy prison sentences.  Two of forty-two "made it"!

Studies have shown that bootcamps increase criminal behavior and are totally ineffective in terms of treatment or rehabilitation.

The end result?  After the completion of several longitudinal studies (that the TeenHurt industry refuses to alow to be performed on their programs, BTW) all bootcamp programs were closed!

Listen, folks, it ain't that deep.  Any program that forces participation (read "coercion") can not and will not provide positive results for the overwhelming majority of those subjected to it.[/b]

There's not much else to say.  Real scientists have proven it can not and does not have beneficial effect for subjects.

Can't you people get it through your thick fucking skulls that your brand of "help" HURTS?[/b]
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« Reply #99 on: February 02, 2007, 08:39:46 AM »
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I just wanted to be in the middle somewhere here. I think that there are times when teens need to get help. I believe  that there are safe places that make a possitive difference in kids lives. I don't believe that all TBS's, are all bad, evil, or abusive. But, no!!!!!!! I had to be 100% on board with you guys saying that any kind of treatment especially when forced on teenagers is wrong, and cruel!

Well, I don't feel that way. So, whatever! But, that doesn't mean I am a programmie?!! That doesn't mean I need to set down the fricken kool-aid!!!! Geez, what's next? If your 5 year old doesn't want to go to public school to start kindergarten, oh fuck it, let them just stay home! God forbid we force anything on anybody LOL!!!!

Laws & children's rights, CCM- that's what all of this boils down to. TBS's violate laws and the rights of children.
Legally children must attend school, so we send them there unless they're homeschooled.
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« Reply #100 on: February 02, 2007, 12:50:32 PM »
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I just wanted to be in the middle somewhere here. I think that there are times when teens need to get help. I believe  that there are safe places that make a possitive difference in kids lives. I don't believe that all TBS's, are all bad, evil, or abusive. But, no!!!!!!! I had to be 100% on board with you guys saying that any kind of treatment especially when forced on teenagers is wrong, and cruel!

Well, I don't feel that way. So, whatever! But, that doesn't mean I am a programmie?!! That doesn't mean I need to set down the fricken kool-aid!!!! Geez, what's next? If your 5 year old doesn't want to go to public school to start kindergarten, oh fuck it, let them just stay home! God forbid we force anything on anybody LOL!!!!



So you're trying to find a middle ground, without actually finding any evidence to support your middle ground existing?

Then you use a strawman centered around compulsory public education (when private school and home schooling exist as alternatives  :rofl: ) to justify programs?

PUHLEEZE.

Treatment, good, programming, bad.
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« Reply #101 on: February 02, 2007, 12:56:07 PM »
CCM is you want to play therapist go get a 4 year psychology degree. Then get your masters. Then internet for a few years with troubled teens at various psychiatric facilities. Then go get your doctorate in psyhchology and then you MIGHT be qualified to diagnosis and treat kids and give their parents advice.

Until you are qualified, what you are doing is both unethical and quite possibly illegal.
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« Reply #102 on: February 02, 2007, 12:56:19 PM »
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I just wanted to be in the middle somewhere here. I think that there are times when teens need to get help. I believe  that there are safe places that make a possitive difference in kids lives. I don't believe that all TBS's, are all bad, evil, or abusive. But, no!!!!!!! I had to be 100% on board with you guys saying that any kind of treatment especially when forced on teenagers is wrong, and cruel!

Well, I don't feel that way. So, whatever! But, that doesn't mean I am a programmie?!! That doesn't mean I need to set down the fricken kool-aid!!!! Geez, what's next? If your 5 year old doesn't want to go to public school to start kindergarten, oh fuck it, let them just stay home! God forbid we force anything on anybody LOL!!!!

Think ya might get around to giving us your thoughts on the NIH and NMHA statements about boot camps?

http://consensus.nih.gov/2004/2004Youth ... 23html.htm

http://www1.nmha.org/children/justjuv/bootcamp.cfm


After all, you asked what my problem was with the boot camp Anti WWASP is recommending.  I answered.  I'd like you to do the same now.

Quote from: ""CCM girl 1989""
Quote from: ""Anne Bonney""
Quote from: ""TS Waygookin""
Magnolia Christian Center's Respect and Discipline Camp offered for 30 to 60 day interventions:

http://http://magnoliachristiancenter.net/Respect.htm

Kevin.. how can you possibly suggest this place to anyone?

 :o  :o  :o Holy shit!


Tell us again CCMgirl how different you guys are. :roll:  :roll:

Yeah, so???? It's designed to get a teens immediate attention. 30-60 days of having to be there???? BFD!!!!!! You guys always find fault with something when it comes to treatment. Sometimes teens do need a wake up call! Hello????? What is your objection A.B.?
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« Reply #103 on: February 02, 2007, 12:59:02 PM »
CCM, it's either duckfarming program and ed-con style, or it is actual therapy without abuse or coercion.

There isn't a middle ground between those two.

Its like if something works or not. It either does or it doesn't!
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« Reply #104 on: February 02, 2007, 01:43:37 PM »
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Quote from: ""CCM girl 1989""
I just wanted to be in the middle somewhere here. I think that there are times when teens need to get help. I believe  that there are safe places that make a possitive difference in kids lives. I don't believe that all TBS's, are all bad, evil, or abusive. But, no!!!!!!! I had to be 100% on board with you guys saying that any kind of treatment especially when forced on teenagers is wrong, and cruel!

Well, I don't feel that way. So, whatever! But, that doesn't mean I am a programmie?!! That doesn't mean I need to set down the fricken kool-aid!!!! Geez, what's next? If your 5 year old doesn't want to go to public school to start kindergarten, oh fuck it, let them just stay home! God forbid we force anything on anybody LOL!!!!
Laws & children's rights, CCM- that's what all of this boils down to. TBS's violate laws and the rights of children.
Legally children must attend school, so we send them there unless they're homeschooled.


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