Author Topic: Why Fornits is Superior in all ways to Antiwwasp.  (Read 20182 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Anonymous

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 164653
  • Karma: +3/-4
    • View Profile
Why Fornits is Superior in all ways to Antiwwasp.
« Reply #135 on: February 06, 2007, 03:27:36 PM »
"Many of us that go into the healing, helping professions do so out of some sort of dysfunction or traumatic event in our lives, and we want to do what we can to help other people avoid what we've gone through," he said. "He is certainly gifted and intelligent and has an intuitive side to him. And he has life experience. Those are good credentials."








Haggard says he's not gay
By Eric Gorski
Denver Post Staff Writer
Denver Post
Article Last Updated:02/06/2007 09:55:15 AM MST

The Rev. Ted Haggard emerged from three weeks of intensive counseling convinced he is "completely heterosexual" and told an oversight board that his sexual contact with men was limited to his accuser.

That is according to one of the disgraced pastor's overseers, who on Monday revealed new details about where Haggard has been and where he is headed.

The Rev. Tim Ralph of Larkspur also said the four-man oversight board strongly urged Haggard to go into secular work instead of Christian ministry if Haggard and his wife follow through on plans to earn master's degrees in psychology.

Haggard broke a three-month silence in e-mails over the weekend to select members of his former church. New Life Church interim senior pastor Ross Parsley forwarded Haggard's message to the wider church body Monday.

In the message, Haggard revealed that he and his wife, Gayle, intend to leave Colorado Springs and pursue master's degrees through online courses.

Haggard mentioned Missouri and Iowa as possible destinations. Another oversight board member, the Rev. Mike Ware of Westminster, said the group recommended the move out of town, and the Haggards agreed.

"This is a good place for Ted," Ware said. "It's hard to heal in Colorado Springs right now. It's like an open wound. He needs to get somewhere he can get the wound healed."

Sex-addiction program

Haggard, 50, resigned as president of the National Association of Evangelicals and was fired from the church he built from nothing into a 14,000-member congregation after a former male prostitute in Denver alleged a three-year cash-for-sex relationship.

Haggard admitted to "sexual immorality" and a long battle against feelings contrary to his beliefs. He admitted buying methamphetamine but said he never used it. Haggard did not respond to interview requests.

Among other things, the overseers urged Haggard to enter a 12-step program for sexual addiction, Ware said.

Ralph said three weeks of counseling at an undisclosed Arizona treatment center helped Haggard immensely and left Haggard sure of one thing.

"He is completely heterosexual," Ralph said. "That is something he discovered. It was the acting- out situations where things took place. It wasn't a constant thing."

Why Haggard chose to act out in that manner is something Haggard and his advisers are trying to discern, Ralph said.

In investigating Haggard's assertion that his extramarital sexual contact was limited to former male escort Mike Jones, the board talked to people close to Haggard and found no evidence contradicting him, Ralph said.

"If we're going to be proved wrong, somebody else is going to come forward, and that usually happens really quickly," he said. "We're into this thing over 90 days, and it hasn't happened."

Steering Haggard away from a return to ministry was based, in part, on Haggard's high profile, Ralph said. He cited biblical passages about holding influential figures to a higher standard.

"Nobody is saying he can't go back into ministry," Ralph said. "Somewhere down the road, that could very well happen, and that would be wonderful."

Counseling continues

Haggard is being asked to join a church wherever the couple moves and continue the Christian counseling he receives twice a week, Ralph said.

The oversight board that includes Ralph is focusing on New Life Church's future but continues to counsel Haggard.

What has been termed Haggard's "restoration" is being overseen by another panel: H.B. London, who runs a Focus on the Family ministry to pastors, and megachurch pastors Tommy Barnett and Jack Hayford.

London said he was not surprised Haggard was considering the psychological field.

"Many of us that go into the healing, helping professions do so out of some sort of dysfunction or traumatic event in our lives, and we want to do what we can to help other people avoid what we've gone through," he said. "He is certainly gifted and intelligent and has an intuitive side to him. And he has life experience. Those are good credentials."

Staff writer Eric Gorski can be reached at 303-954-1698 or egorski@denverpost.com.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline Anonymous

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 164653
  • Karma: +3/-4
    • View Profile
Why Fornits is Superior in all ways to Antiwwasp.
« Reply #136 on: February 06, 2007, 04:44:54 PM »
Are you suggesting Kev is secretly gay and taking meth?
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline CCM girl 1989

  • Posts: 1308
  • Karma: +0/-0
    • View Profile
Why Fornits is Superior in all ways to Antiwwasp.
« Reply #137 on: February 06, 2007, 08:48:54 PM »
Yeah, what is your point?
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »
f you were never in a program, or a parent of a child in a program, then you have no business posting here.

Offline Anonymous

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 164653
  • Karma: +3/-4
    • View Profile
Why Fornits is Superior in all ways to Antiwwasp.
« Reply #138 on: February 06, 2007, 09:32:11 PM »
That he's taking up the ol' highway, there.......?
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline Anonymous

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 164653
  • Karma: +3/-4
    • View Profile
Why Fornits is Superior in all ways to Antiwwasp.
« Reply #139 on: February 06, 2007, 09:43:51 PM »
Quote from: ""CCM girl 1989""
Yeah, what is your point?


You should know more than anyone.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline Anonymous

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 164653
  • Karma: +3/-4
    • View Profile
Why Fornits is Superior in all ways to Antiwwasp.
« Reply #140 on: February 07, 2007, 11:17:09 PM »
"JUDGE ROYBEAN" seems to talk alot, BUT:

Mississippi Legislative Session 2006- House Bill 536 July l, 2006

"Exempts any school affliated with ACE from the state child licensing requirements."
 ROYBEAN claims Magnolia Christian Center is certified/accredited throught ACE---but a closer inspection with ACE shows that Magnolia Christian is ACTUALLY certified through Lighthouse Academy, a school in Florida.  So, perhaps the JUDGE needs to be a bit more clear in explaining EXACTLY how his "school" is certified through ACE.

State Board of Education-Mississippi
Non-Public Schools
"HEALTH"  Church related schools are exempt from Mississippi State Board of Health standards for preparation of food.
Miss Cod Ann. 41-3-15
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline psy

  • Administrator
  • Newbie
  • *****
  • Posts: 5606
  • Karma: +2/-0
    • View Profile
    • http://homepage.mac.com/psyborgue/
Why Fornits is Superior in all ways to Antiwwasp.
« Reply #141 on: February 07, 2007, 11:30:12 PM »
i wonder who paid for that little piece of legislation.

Isn't that a violation of separation of church and state?  It provides an unfair benefit to religiously affiliated facilities...  What was the excuse for pushing that pork through?
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »
Benchmark Young Adult School - bad place [archive.org link]
Sue Scheff Truth - Blog on Sue Scheff
"Our services are free; we do not make a profit. Parents of troubled teens ourselves, PURE strives to create a safe haven of truth and reality." - Sue Scheff - August 13th, 2007 (fukkin surreal)

Offline Anonymous

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 164653
  • Karma: +3/-4
    • View Profile
Why Fornits is Superior in all ways to Antiwwasp.
« Reply #142 on: February 08, 2007, 12:21:41 AM »
Point is, JUDGE ROYBEAN talks about "surprise inspections" and the HEALTH DEPARTMENT---yet he opens up his boot camp school in the STATE OF MISSISSIPPI which passes legislation which EXEMPTS these religious schools from basic standards for food preparation, and from State child care licensing requirements.

Guess it's EASY to talk, with legislation like this to hide behind.

Mississippi is beginning to make UTAH look almost grand.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline psy

  • Administrator
  • Newbie
  • *****
  • Posts: 5606
  • Karma: +2/-0
    • View Profile
    • http://homepage.mac.com/psyborgue/
Why Fornits is Superior in all ways to Antiwwasp.
« Reply #143 on: February 08, 2007, 12:25:41 AM »
Quote from: ""Guest""
Point is, JUDGE ROYBEAN talks about "surprise inspections" and the HEALTH DEPARTMENT---yet he opens up his boot camp school in the STATE OF MISSISSIPPI which passes legislation which EXEMPTS these religious schools from basic standards for food preparation, and from State child care licensing requirements.

Guess it's EASY to talk, with legislation like this to hide behind.

Mississippi is beginning to make UTAH look almost grand.


oh that i understand.
i just wonder how the fuck they were able to justify it.  

but i'm goin to sleep anyhoo
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »
Benchmark Young Adult School - bad place [archive.org link]
Sue Scheff Truth - Blog on Sue Scheff
"Our services are free; we do not make a profit. Parents of troubled teens ourselves, PURE strives to create a safe haven of truth and reality." - Sue Scheff - August 13th, 2007 (fukkin surreal)

Offline Anonymous

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 164653
  • Karma: +3/-4
    • View Profile
Why Fornits is Superior in all ways to Antiwwasp.
« Reply #144 on: February 09, 2007, 09:22:14 AM »
TSW you go to tell Kev that Three Springs is a safe program, and he should take the word of a staff about it. Maybe you can get it on his list?  It's better than WWASPS, and that is all that matters.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline Anonymous

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 164653
  • Karma: +3/-4
    • View Profile
Why Fornits is Superior in all ways to Antiwwasp.
« Reply #145 on: February 09, 2007, 11:13:11 AM »
Most people accept that ISAC has some good insight into abusive facilities.
ISAC:  WARNING SIGNS OF POTENTIALLY ABUSIVE FACILITIES
#8   "Phone calls between chldren and parents are monitored"

Judge Roybean states that phone calls are monitored so kids won't be begging to come home?

Listen up Kevin August!
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline Anonymous

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 164653
  • Karma: +3/-4
    • View Profile
Why Fornits is Superior in all ways to Antiwwasp.
« Reply #146 on: February 09, 2007, 11:17:36 AM »
Quote from: ""TS Waygookin""
I don't think its better than wwasp. I call it the undiscovered wwasp.


You must have missed the memo. EVERY program is worse than WWASPS according to some survivors and ANY program would be better.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline psy

  • Administrator
  • Newbie
  • *****
  • Posts: 5606
  • Karma: +2/-0
    • View Profile
    • http://homepage.mac.com/psyborgue/
Why Fornits is Superior in all ways to Antiwwasp.
« Reply #147 on: February 11, 2007, 04:44:11 PM »
Quote from: ""TS Waygookin""
Holy christ his site is up. The damn thing has an evaluation form. Does Kevin now claim to have a comprehensive background in psycology as well?


 :o

http://http://www.teenshelp.us/


we all know he doesn't need one.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »
Benchmark Young Adult School - bad place [archive.org link]
Sue Scheff Truth - Blog on Sue Scheff
"Our services are free; we do not make a profit. Parents of troubled teens ourselves, PURE strives to create a safe haven of truth and reality." - Sue Scheff - August 13th, 2007 (fukkin surreal)

Offline Anonymous

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 164653
  • Karma: +3/-4
    • View Profile
Why Fornits is Superior in all ways to Antiwwasp.
« Reply #148 on: February 11, 2007, 05:27:10 PM »
Does JUDGE ROYBEAN'S little bootcamp, churchy "school" MAGNOLIA, actually take insurance?

This is a so-called school that piggy-backs its certification from ACE through another facitlity in ANOTHER STATE, Florida: Lighthouse Academy.  How difficult could it be to get certified through ACE?

And JUDGE ROYBEAN posts, with seeminly pride, that these boys are fed LEFT OVERS from some down-the-road buffet resturant in this back-country Mississippi town?

JUDGE ROYBEAN posts his philosopy on "sparing the rod....." but claims no abuse goes on at Magnolia.
ROYBEAN disclosed his previous employment at Bethel/WWASP.
Who knows what ROYBEAN defines as "abuse."

WHO are these "counselors" that Kevin August SAYS are on HIS STAFF?
Kevin August has NO DEGREE to qualify him to be evaluating children for placement in any type of program for children....not even day care!!!!
This is an outrage.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline psy

  • Administrator
  • Newbie
  • *****
  • Posts: 5606
  • Karma: +2/-0
    • View Profile
    • http://homepage.mac.com/psyborgue/
Why Fornits is Superior in all ways to Antiwwasp.
« Reply #149 on: February 11, 2007, 06:06:07 PM »
Quote from: ""Guest""
WHO are these "counselors" that Kevin August SAYS are on HIS STAFF?
Kevin August has NO DEGREE to qualify him to be evaluating children for placement in any type of program for children....not even day care!!!!
This is an outrage.


he doesn't need any qualifications and yes it is an outrage
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »
Benchmark Young Adult School - bad place [archive.org link]
Sue Scheff Truth - Blog on Sue Scheff
"Our services are free; we do not make a profit. Parents of troubled teens ourselves, PURE strives to create a safe haven of truth and reality." - Sue Scheff - August 13th, 2007 (fukkin surreal)